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joining us is the author of

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pound-foolish

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and the co-author of the index card she

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writes for The Washington Post

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Helaine olen welcome back oh thank you

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for having me on again oh god you know

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the stuff you wrote in the past two

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weeks has been phenomenal and I want to

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talk about John Bogle who passed away

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last week he i'ma Bogle head Bogle had

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he invented the Vanguard index fund

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which simplified investing for the the

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common man and exposed as you wrote that

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financial planners are really just

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glorified stockbrokers and you have a

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great piece about Davos or Davos and how

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they're talking about Alexandria Ocasio

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Cortez but first you wrote about the

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teachers strike in LA and I want to read

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something you wrote and this just sums

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up everything I believe are you really a

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progressive right Salette no and if you

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vote for Democratic candidates but don't

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effectively address the United States

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growing economic divides and how they

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impact children god that makes my head

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explode I'm not saying that LGBTQ issues

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and abortion and black lives matter all

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that stuff is important but if you don't

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talk about the growing economic divides

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and have a impact children get the F out

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of the Democratic Party I come to feel

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that it's not an either/or both are very

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important you know there's no eat it for

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a woman there's no economic freedom for

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instance without you know the right to

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control your own body right this kind of

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basic you know if you're

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african-american if you know you're

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risking death by walking in a white

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neighborhood yeah you know this is going

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to interfere with your ability to make a

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living and it's also just sort of

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heinous and we can go on and talk about

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that right but at the same time we have

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to admit that we have extraordinary

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economic divides in this country our

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wealth and income inequality is it

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record-breaking levels

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it's almost certainly exceeded 1929 it's

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not going to end well for anybody

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I think the trends continue and it's not

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enough to be a progressive and say well

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I believe in a woman's right to choose

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but I'm also kind of economically

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conservative that doesn't that just

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doesn't hold water anymore maybe it

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never held water but it certainly

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doesn't hold water now now you just sort

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of come off as kind of a well-meaning

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hypocrite frankly and I think this was -

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the thing that the Los Angeles teachers

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strike really highlighted and I think it

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really highlighted it for a couple of

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different reasons but the first maybe

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most important is that last year as we

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know there were several wildcat teacher

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strikes and they were in red state

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territory for the most part in places

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like West Virginia and the teachers are

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being horrendously underpaid and in

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Oklahoma where you know the schools have

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been so shortchanged that there are

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districts that are at four days a week

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of classes and everybody of course was

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rah-rah the teachers right and and

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indeed they managed to get you know

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depending on what state it was they got

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raises they got some better working

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conditions and so on down the line but

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in fact these things are also going on

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in a lot of blue states they go on in

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New York and they go on in Chicago and

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they go on in Los Angeles where teachers

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were reporting forty-nine students in a

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classroom and Los Angeles as we know is

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you know a city with severe income

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divides a lot of the wealthiest people

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are not using the public schools you

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know this was becoming you know it was

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kind of calling people out on it and say

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you know what side are you on and to the

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credit of Los Angelenos most of them

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were on the side of the teachers and

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this strike really you know held in part

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because there was one such strong

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support for the fact of everybody saying

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yeah wait a minute this isn't right this

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isn't a good situation it's not right

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that teachers you know are being forced

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to work under these conditions and it's

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not right the children are being forced

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to learn in these conditions of you know

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of these large class sizes of schools

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without nurses without social workers

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Los Angeles school children the vast

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majority are you know under art the

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poverty live at the poverty line or

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under and are eligible for free lunches

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you wrote in The Washington Post 80% of

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all students attending public schools in

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Los Angeles qualify for free lunch

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yeah that's extraordinary I mean that's

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an extraordinarily high number and again

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some of it is driven by the fact that

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wealthier Los Angelenos generally don't

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use the public schools but what are the

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reasons they don't use public schools

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it's because you're dealing with

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situations like forty plus children at a

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class it's hard to blame a parent who

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could afford to get out of that

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something

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that's not for my kid and leaving well

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we're also dealing with Holly with

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liberals who are you know cool on the

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social issues but fiscally conservative

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well people want to keep their buddy

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right I want to pay their taxes prop 13

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prop 13 you know a lot of said

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California is the home of the original

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tax revolt one of the things that's

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probably going to happen as I'm sure I

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don't need to tell you or any listener

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is that part of prop 13 it's probably

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coming up on the 2020 ballot for at

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least the commercial part of your mind

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our listeners who have was it Howard

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Jarvis and web prophecy jarvez 1978

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California's or you know freezes the tax

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tax property tax rate - I think I'm

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income speaking from New York so it's a

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1% or two it's a 1% raise a year right

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and of course over time advantages

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people who've been in their residences

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there's no reassessments and wealthier

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people are frequently making out I mean

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last year I mean there was a story in

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the LA Times and hopefully I'm going to

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remember this right various Hollywood

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actors who had inherited family homes in

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Malibu who were basically paying their

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taxes with a couple of days renting the

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homes out on Airbnb that's the other

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thing about prop 13 for the non

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California listeners of the show you can

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inherit it it's really extraordinary and

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over time so what prop 13

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houses in 78 California is one of the

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top states of the country for spending

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on education now it's in the bottom tier

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the bottom had bottom 10% of states at

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one point it was so bad it was like in

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the bottom five but that's actually

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they've moved up a bit in the rankings

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since that and I mean this is you know

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the politics of inequality we're at

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large and it's the politics frankly to

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some extent of racism

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I mean people realize that a lot of the

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children in the public schools are not

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white and a certain percentage of people

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don't want to pay for that yeah and

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that's kind of a horrible thing to admit

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it's well known about anybody who

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studies prop 13 the prop 13 passed

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within a year of the big busing battles

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in Los Angeles and that it right well

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not have passed if it wasn't for those

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battles and that's you know what are the

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huge parts of prop 13 so I guess a is

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there any defense of Howard Jarvis in

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prop 13 because in 1978 weren't interest

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rates kind of high and senior citizens

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were complaining about inflation and

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then they were being killed by the

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property taxes or is that just a mess

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you know it's not totally a mess one of

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the issues was was that you know real

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estate prices were climbing rapidly and

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people were you know suddenly being

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claiming they were being forced out

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right so and this is the problem in a

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lot of parts of the country right I live

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in New York where there was finally a

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property tax cap put on after property

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taxes and a lot of the suburbs basically

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doubled in a ten to fifteen year period

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and but there are other ways you could

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address this you don't have to simply

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address it by simply tapping property

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taxes which ultimately just rewards

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people who bought who tend to be you

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know older whiter wealthier and so on

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there are ways you can get them you know

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you could give people a break and get

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them we get the money when you sell the

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house you can give them a break by

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getting the money from their estate when

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they you know when they pass on you can

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do income adjustments you know would

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basically say hey you know if you have

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under X amount of income we're going to

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accept

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to from this property tax raise there's

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actually all sorts of stuff you can do

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besides simply freezing property taxes I

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see well you brought up the wildcat

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strikes that preceded the teachers

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strike in Los Angeles two quick

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questions in them we'll move on what is

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a wildcat strike by definition what is

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wildcat strike mean and the LA teachers

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have a tentative agreement yes see what

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happens when you stick together wildcat

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strike means done without the approval

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of the union and the reason many of

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these were wildcat strikes was because

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these were in states where union

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teachers were basically banned from

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striking and that the unions could have

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been fined had they encourage their

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members to go on strike so and that's

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not the case in California so teachers

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could go on strike legally and they

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could do it at the back and get their

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union and in these other places that was

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a much harder lift wildcat strikes also

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sometimes happened for the record

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because I know about 20 listeners are

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probably jumping down my throat right

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now you know people sometimes disagree

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with their unions to go out on strike as

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well so it can happen in states you know

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it could happen other where there is no

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balance and how good the good a deal did

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the teachers get in Los Angeles salary

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wise they got the 6% raise that was on

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the table from the get-go even before

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the strike but the deal they got really

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was for the students and for working

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conditions and there will be Univ nurses

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now at every school there is a guarantee

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at least for some period of time of

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smaller class sizes it's not ideal

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because it's not a perm that's not

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permanent and I think I've got this

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right but it's certainly a start and you

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know it's certainly better than what was

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on offer you know the the still

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lingering concern is the charter school

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issue which I don't which is you know

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with another sort of sub tier part of

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this that is going to obviously be an

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ongoing issue well you write about Davos

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what is Davos from what I've read of

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your piece it's self-serving incestuous

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move

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and oligarchs from all around the world

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gathering to protect their money

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what is Davos and their obsessing with

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Alexandria Ocasio car Tessa's call to

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tax the rich at seventy percent after

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ten million dollars and one of the

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things you wrote over the Washington

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Post is those guys that Davos are so

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busy congratulating themselves but

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they're not really that bright we you

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know we'd like to think they're bright

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because they're wealthy and they like to

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think they're bright but you know as

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Wilbur Ross has proven they're really

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idiots aren't they oh my god well come

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back to / awesome yeah okay this annual

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gathering of you know of what used to be

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called but first seriously and then

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sarcastically the best and the brightest

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you know are wealthy overlords basically

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the cost of admission is basically tens

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of thousands of dollars that's what they

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charge corporations for coming or

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members of their organization who you

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know are allowed to come and it's a GAD

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and of course Davos itself is you know

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this very wealthy you know ski resort

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town right sort of an equivalent of

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Aspen or some sort and so they all

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gather every January in this wonderful

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ski town living it's wonderful I've

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never been there looks wonderful

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Switzerland where yes what's your letter

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I should say where you know the

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hamburgers are fifty six dollars and the

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hot dogs are forty dollars this is all

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true and they do panels on serious

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things like where is the economic onna

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me going in the next year and how did we

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get Donald Trump and you know what kind

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of business could we do with unit with

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the populist head of Brazil and you know

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and so on down the line right and this

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is supposed to be you know these are

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supposed to be our sort of Masters of

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the Universe

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telling us what to do and it sort of

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steak pizza to this hole in their minds

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anyway it fits into this whole kind of

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idea that you know that's been so

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prevalent in our culture for the past

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forty plus years that people who have

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money have it for a reason and they're

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somehow worthier and smarter and

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just get things better than you and me

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ring and and the said word comes down on

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high and in fact of course you know as

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we all know these people who have been

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sitting there ruminating in Davos you

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know somehow missed the rise of Donald

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Trump they somehow missed breaks it they

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somehow missed you know the fact that

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when you you know allow income and

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wealth inequality to go to the levels

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were at now people tend to get really

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angry and often because most people

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aren't totally steeped in this don't

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even know what the heck they're angry

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about they just see them lives kind of

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deteriorating right and the people at

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Davos or if the sort who say things like

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well but how could they be complaining

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everybody has a television set now at

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air conditioning right this is so much

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better to be poor now I mean a poor

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person is like a rich person 100 years

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ago yeah what could be the problem and

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so they do this every year and so what

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happened this year this is they're all

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up there they're still up there and

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they're very worried about you know

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possibility of a recession in the United

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States and they're worried about what's

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going on with us in China and they're

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kind of worried about the federal

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government shutdown because you know

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that's Trump hasn't shown up Theresa May

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hasn't shown up macron from France is

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not showing up because of the

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yellowjacket thing but at the same time

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you know somehow when they start talking

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about how to solve this it's not about

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Sam so what are the topic of

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conversation that came up is the

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increase in calls in the United States

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to raise income taxes on the wealthiest

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of Americans right and for the most part

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this has been Alexandria Ocasio

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courthouses announcement that she would

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like to you know raise the tax rate on

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people earning more than 10 million

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dollars to annually to 70 percent and

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although I think probably now there's

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also probably talk of Elizabeth Warren's

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wealth tax a wealth proposal taxing

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proposal as well and so anyway you know

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they you know it's been brought up there

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they roared with laughter what it's been

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brought up they've declared it an odd

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starter one guy I think at Guggenheim

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Partners which is an investment advisory

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firm actually said oh my god this is

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going to force people out of the work

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force because you can't

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a two-income family when they're paying

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taxes at 70% and when they earn over ten

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million dollars explain how stupid that

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is

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Alexandra Castillo Cortez is calling for

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seventy percent tax on income over ten

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million dollars right extraordinary

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lengths that you know people will take

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to protect their privilege which is what

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Davos really is about in the end it's

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protecting your privilege

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and in this case protecting your

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privilege means you don't have to admit

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that you're part of the problem and that

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you know in the words of the 1960s

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you're not going to be part of the

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solution right you are the solution a

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lot of people say taxing the wealthiest

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1% is not going to pay for Medicare for

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all it's not going to pay for anything

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but the argument that I've read is that

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that doesn't matter what we want to do

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is tax the wealthiest 1% because they

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have too much money it's not a healthy

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start with the micro-level

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it's going to pay for something right

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can it pay for everything of course not

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but it's going to pay for something so

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let's just put that out there right so

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this is kind of a bogus argument like no

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you know of course I can't pay for all

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of Acts or all of why but it certainly

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could make a dent in it second it's a

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bigger argument one of the reasons that

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we are at this pass is because so many

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so few people have so much and so many

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people have so little and that when you

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tax it you start bringing people back

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towards the mean and that in turn will

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presumably

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bring more money into the system over

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time because one of the issues were

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actually having is for all of our age of

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great wealth right and all these people

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you know at the top making these untold

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riches we in fact have less

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entrepreneurial efforts than we did 30

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years ago business is much more

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consolidated people in generals have

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seen their incomes stagnate and this

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means there's just simply less they are

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living on less and less while a few

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people are just supporting all the money

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at the top and when you have that much

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money at the top you get political power

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that's why this money has to be taken

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away from them because it's not really

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their money so they're great elizabeth

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warren comment if years ago right which

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is like well you know you made this

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money at this factory did you build the

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road that got you there and then of

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course not and it becomes you know this

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just kind of you know blight over

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Society for lack of a better word it

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really sort of destroyed slowly

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destroyed you know the both the quality

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of life and the society itself because

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people you know most people simply

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aren't working it you know don't they

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let me say that again most people you

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know don't have that money they can't

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keep up with the pressures and they just

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find themselves falling further and

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further behind while a very small cohort

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is just sort of hoarding the vast

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majority of gains how frightened are

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they of congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio

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Cortez who's 28 years old

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I think she's she's 29 29 clearly very

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frightened and when you think about that

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that's actually kind of extraordinary

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right she's you know one congresswoman

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from the Bronx and queens and she's to

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the left of her own party but I think

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what scares people is that she's clearly

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touched a nerve

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in fact polls show most people do want

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to see taxes raised on the top 1% of

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earners and polls show most people's

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support you know Medicare for all yeah

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the Kaiser Foundation just had this new

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study

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but it's how its framed right but no

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even when you frame it in the most

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conservative interpretation you come up

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with the fact that you know majorities

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of people would like to see either a

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public option or medicare at least

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expanded to cover people 50 and up I

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mean so you know a you the other side

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likes to make this contention of oh you

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know it's you know or that people want

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to be able to buy in if they can you

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know if there's nothing else when the

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other side says oh well it's how its

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framed yes it's how its framed but

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there's really no way that it's framed

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where people go oh no we want the system

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we have now do they know they're

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ignorant when they say if you tax people

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seventy percent after their first ten

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million how're they gonna I don't think

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kind of survive is that willful

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ignorance they know they're that stupid

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what did Wilbur Ross say he's the

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Commerce Secretary and is he stupid or

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is he just pretending to be this is the

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thing about being rich it isolates

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people and you start thinking everybody

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is like who you're hanging around with

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and that's human nature right you know

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people who you know or middle class

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often have a very hard time really

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imagining the lives of the wealthy and

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but there's bigger consequences for this

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but it's the wealthy trying to imagine

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how people the middle class get by so

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what happened this week was Wilbur Ross

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who's the sort of guy by the way to like

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convince the Forbes list he was a

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billionaire when it's actually was only

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worth seven hundred million dollars

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because that kind of wasn't enough for

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him and you know has also been accused

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by various people of ripping off his

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business associates I mean really like

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stellar citizens and falling asleep

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during Trump meetings yeah I mean you

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know I remember I know he's quite

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elderly any we're not saying all the

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elderly do that but clearly you know

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peace quite elderly and anyway so he

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spoke up this morning he's on CNBC and

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he's getting interviewed by a bunch of

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CNBC people in Davos and we all know

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CNBC right like this is where like if

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you're wealthy you want to feel good

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about your life you go give an interview

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to CNBC I mean this is not like node for

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its hard-hitting you progressive Journal

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okay this is a sort of place where Alex

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algeri Ocasio Cortez his numbers get

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raked over the coals normally anyway so

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he manages us to stun the CNBC anchors

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who again are in Davos okay you know by

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saying that he doesn't understand why

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the federal workers who haven't been

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paid in over a month now you know having

546
00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:00,570
such a hard time and are going to food

547
00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:02,639
pantries and homeless shelters to look

548
00:23:00,570 --> 00:23:05,220
for food because of course anybody could

549
00:23:02,639 --> 00:23:08,190
just get alone right believe it it's

550
00:23:05,220 --> 00:23:09,899
just a little bit of interest and like

551
00:23:08,190 --> 00:23:11,429
people's heads were spending their

552
00:23:09,899 --> 00:23:12,960
reports that there are some federal

553
00:23:11,429 --> 00:23:15,899
workers who are going to homeless

554
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,389
shelters to get food well I know they

555
00:23:15,899 --> 00:23:21,990
are and I don't really quite understand

556
00:23:18,389 --> 00:23:24,299
why because they the obligations that

557
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:27,090
they would undertake say a borrowing

558
00:23:24,299 --> 00:23:30,960
from the bank or a credit union are in

559
00:23:27,090 --> 00:23:33,480
effect federally guaranteed so the 30

560
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,299
days of pay that some people will be out

561
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:39,360
there's no real reason why they

562
00:23:36,299 --> 00:23:41,519
shouldn't be able to get a loan against

563
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:43,919
it of course this is utterly ridiculous

564
00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:46,110
right I mean first off to be if the

565
00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:48,360
technical answer no not everybody can

566
00:23:46,110 --> 00:23:50,399
get a loan not everybody can get a zero

567
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:52,830
percent loan a lot of people are being

568
00:23:50,399 --> 00:23:54,750
forced into like pawning their goods and

569
00:23:52,830 --> 00:23:56,460
working as uber drivers and by the way

570
00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:58,259
they're only making a couple of bucks I

571
00:23:56,460 --> 00:24:02,399
mean because the world is not dying for

572
00:23:58,259 --> 00:24:03,899
more ebert drivers and so anyway you

573
00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:06,840
know so this is first of all just beyond

574
00:24:03,899 --> 00:24:08,850
clueless but second it's like who on

575
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,700
earth says these things

576
00:24:08,850 --> 00:24:14,220
great like how could you even think this

577
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:16,019
is okay he's sitting there collecting a

578
00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:17,190
paycheck because the administration by

579
00:24:16,019 --> 00:24:19,470
the way is getting their paycheck this

580
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:21,509
is one of the many delights thank God

581
00:24:19,470 --> 00:24:25,679
right right they're getting a paycheck

582
00:24:21,509 --> 00:24:27,210
but the workers aren't and people and it

583
00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:30,179
just revealed this astonishing

584
00:24:27,210 --> 00:24:31,590
cluelessness and then just to compound

585
00:24:30,179 --> 00:24:35,340
it and I think people were just in shock

586
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:36,750
by the end of this is somebody a few

587
00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:39,149
hours later tracks down whether the

588
00:24:36,750 --> 00:24:41,490
chief economic advisors Larry Kudlow and

589
00:24:39,149 --> 00:24:43,169
says what do you think of this right and

590
00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:45,750
he's like well I don't want to comment

591
00:24:43,169 --> 00:24:47,070
but you know these people are volunteers

592
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:48,570
and they're doing this from the goodness

593
00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:50,580
of their hearts

594
00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:52,920
and you're like what on earth you know

595
00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:56,730
federal workers could be fined and fired

596
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:58,140
if they strike right and that they're

597
00:24:56,730 --> 00:24:59,400
not they're out of the goodness of their

598
00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:01,460
hearts they're there because they're

599
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,660
petrified they're gonna lose their jobs

600
00:25:01,460 --> 00:25:05,820
if they don't turn up and work without

601
00:25:03,660 --> 00:25:07,770
getting paid and it was just an

602
00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:09,840
extraordinary performance across the

603
00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:12,690
board and of course this is all over by

604
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:16,260
the way a mythical wall designed itself

605
00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:17,580
a mythical problem I mean I mean it's

606
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:19,560
just the whole thing's kind of crazy

607
00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:21,690
Donald Trump is like having a you know I

608
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,740
mean it if you labor support it's

609
00:25:21,690 --> 00:25:25,170
offensive

610
00:25:22,740 --> 00:25:27,540
I mean it Donald Trump's negotiating

611
00:25:25,170 --> 00:25:30,960
strategy is roughly on par with the

612
00:25:27,540 --> 00:25:33,690
two-year-olds he you know he basically

613
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,250
just insists on something and basically

614
00:25:33,690 --> 00:25:37,830
is like rolling around on the carpet

615
00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:40,080
kicking things and throwing toys hoping

616
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:43,590
he'll get his way you can tell I've

617
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,740
dealt with this in the past I find you

618
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:49,260
know the whole thing is ridiculous and

619
00:25:45,740 --> 00:25:51,480
you know he's business popularity is

620
00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:53,880
falling by the day it's now in the low

621
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,220
30s because everybody realizes that this

622
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,780
is not a way you govern a country and

623
00:25:56,220 --> 00:26:00,810
this is not a way you conduct yourself

624
00:25:57,780 --> 00:26:04,860
as president of the United States do you

625
00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:08,990
think this shutdown is gonna go for a

626
00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:13,350
year I do because I think Trump is doing

627
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:15,800
what the people at the top who put him

628
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:18,660
in office wanted him to do which is

629
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:21,600
deconstruct the administrative state and

630
00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:24,990
get us back to pre New Deal when they

631
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:29,160
see 800,000 federal workers with no

632
00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:30,750
salary that's what they want I'm

633
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,430
beginning to think you're right I mean I

634
00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:33,690
don't think it'll go a year I don't

635
00:26:32,430 --> 00:26:36,690
think the American people will tolerate

636
00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:39,900
it I also think at a certain point you

637
00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:42,210
know our systems will start phasing so I

638
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:44,670
mean how many how much longer can the

639
00:26:42,210 --> 00:26:45,900
TSA workers work without pay check how

640
00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:48,060
much longer can be your traffic

641
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,770
controllers work without a paycheck how

642
00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:52,290
much longer before the airline pilots

643
00:26:49,770 --> 00:26:54,360
who have our on record as saying this is

644
00:26:52,290 --> 00:26:56,820
dangerous flying conditions somebody

645
00:26:54,360 --> 00:27:00,720
just doesn't say I can't fly right like

646
00:26:56,820 --> 00:27:02,510
I won't do this anymore so I tend to

647
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,750
think it won't go for year but I do say

648
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:07,160
you're right and that this shows a

649
00:27:04,750 --> 00:27:10,010
devastating contempt for government it

650
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,350
is an attempt to unwind government yeah

651
00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:14,120
um you know I wrote a few weeks ago that

652
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:15,620
I felt Trump was just an and the

653
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:18,500
Republicans supporting him are basically

654
00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:20,840
a pile of nihilist you know this is kind

655
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:23,450
of the philosophy of nothingness right

656
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:27,799
that they want you know it's just this

657
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:30,559
kind of destructive force and they don't

658
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:34,040
really care I mean if you interviewed

659
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,520
Grover Norquist hint intent maybe you'll

660
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,950
do it

661
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,169
Grover Norquist says you know we got to

662
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:42,559
make government so small we can drown in

663
00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:46,840
the bathtub don't you think the shutdown

664
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:49,669
is exactly exactly what he wants I do

665
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,740
it's like the American people many of

666
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:53,720
whom say they support stuff like this

667
00:27:51,740 --> 00:27:56,690
are beginning to realize it's not what

668
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,280
they want at all right because the

669
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:59,540
longer it goes on the more people are

670
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,000
going to realize that actually the

671
00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:05,330
government does a lot I mean one of the

672
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:07,160
things that has always been very clear

673
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:08,540
to me and very much came across by the

674
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,280
way in Michael Lewis's great book that

675
00:28:08,540 --> 00:28:12,049
was published last year the fifth risk

676
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,110
is that a lot of people actually don't

677
00:28:12,049 --> 00:28:17,150
realize what government does I mean it

678
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:20,450
seems kind of absurd that like you don't

679
00:28:17,150 --> 00:28:22,130
think the government does things but you

680
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:23,450
know when they do these surveys and they

681
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:26,299
ask people have you ever taken a

682
00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:28,490
government handout you know huge numbers

683
00:28:26,299 --> 00:28:29,780
say no and then you say well you know

684
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:31,340
have you ever received an unemployment

685
00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:32,780
check and they say yes so they're like

686
00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:34,130
well you just took a handout from the

687
00:28:32,780 --> 00:28:36,350
government and they're like no I didn't

688
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:38,299
you know it's the same philosophy as you

689
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:39,559
know those cheap famous Tea Party signs

690
00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:42,080
get the government's hands off my

691
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:43,940
Medicare I mean people literally don't

692
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:47,330
realize what the government federal

693
00:28:43,940 --> 00:28:49,220
government does well and and so I think

694
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:51,200
the longer this goes on and the more

695
00:28:49,220 --> 00:28:53,120
things slowly fall apart because the

696
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,820
federal government is not functioning

697
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,830
the more people will realize you know so

698
00:28:55,820 --> 00:29:00,500
the government does do stuff and it is a

699
00:28:57,830 --> 00:29:02,540
valuable service to us the downside of

700
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:05,140
this is something could go dreadfully

701
00:29:02,540 --> 00:29:07,250
wrong while this is all getting solved

702
00:29:05,140 --> 00:29:08,480
you know I don't know about you but I

703
00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:11,090
would not be dying to get on an airplane

704
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,190
in these conditions at this point yeah I

705
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:14,510
think there's a real issue with that the

706
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:16,730
creeping it

707
00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:18,830
and not just from the TSA agents but

708
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:20,809
you've got the air traffic controllers

709
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:23,419
or you know potentially working two jobs

710
00:29:20,809 --> 00:29:26,059
right here at air traffic controller and

711
00:29:23,419 --> 00:29:27,410
you're working two jobs something's

712
00:29:26,059 --> 00:29:29,150
gonna give at some point that's no

713
00:29:27,410 --> 00:29:31,340
insult to the air traffic controllers to

714
00:29:29,150 --> 00:29:34,400
say that the pilots union is saying that

715
00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:36,679
I mean well before we get to John Bogle

716
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:40,160
it seems to me that the Republican Party

717
00:29:36,679 --> 00:29:43,820
is a coalition of two types of Americans

718
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:46,220
ninety nine percent are broke within the

719
00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:49,190
Republican Party but they follow some

720
00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:53,600
kind of ideological spite it just comes

721
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:56,510
from hatred for others and then at the

722
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:59,540
tip of the spear the one percent are the

723
00:29:56,510 --> 00:30:02,840
people like Wilbur Ross and Larry Kudlow

724
00:29:59,540 --> 00:30:04,840
who want to take an etch-a-sketch to the

725
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,690
federal government and just shake it and

726
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:10,970
no destroying the entire administrative

727
00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:13,520
state and rebuilding it kind of like

728
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:22,610
what they would do with the company that

729
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:24,799
they bought the gig is going to be art

730
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:27,110
because this is not what the American

731
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:28,610
people want that frees people who

732
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:31,010
identify themselves as fairly

733
00:30:28,610 --> 00:30:34,910
conservative that presupposes it matters

734
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:37,250
what we want what a certain point it has

735
00:30:34,910 --> 00:30:40,450
to matter what we want right I mean

736
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:44,900
there are elections presumably

737
00:30:40,450 --> 00:30:47,000
presumably they there were elections

738
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:49,309
last November the Republicans suffered a

739
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,679
fairly staggering defeat in the House of

740
00:30:49,309 --> 00:30:53,450
Representatives yeah at a certain point

741
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:55,070
you would have suspected survival

742
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:57,559
instincts would start to kick in here

743
00:30:55,070 --> 00:31:00,980
yeah well I want to talk about a great

744
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:03,169
American John Bogle who was John Bogle

745
00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:05,600
and what did he create for the common

746
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:08,080
man you wrote a great piece you wrote a

747
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:11,990
great piece in the worst host him oh

748
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:14,419
thank you John Bogle was the founder of

749
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:17,900
Vanguard the great index mutual fund

750
00:31:14,419 --> 00:31:21,530
company and basically what he did was he

751
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:23,840
popularized the idea of index funds

752
00:31:21,530 --> 00:31:25,700
which are of course funds that are you

753
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,980
know basically a broad-based you know

754
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:30,289
our broad-based

755
00:31:27,980 --> 00:31:33,889
market funds right like a mutual fund

756
00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:35,659
that will replicate the S&P 500 for you

757
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:39,649
know regular investors prior to John

758
00:31:35,659 --> 00:31:41,840
Bogle they existed but they didn't they

759
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:44,269
weren't offered to the public they John

760
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,429
Bogle is the first to offer the use to

761
00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:51,019
the public and to make the public aware

762
00:31:46,429 --> 00:31:53,720
of the fact that over time they

763
00:31:51,019 --> 00:31:54,289
generally do as well as or they do

764
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,330
better

765
00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:58,159
they generally they do better than the

766
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:59,690
vast majority have managed managed

767
00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:02,510
mutual you talk about Davos you

768
00:31:59,690 --> 00:32:05,590
mentioned Bridgewater's Ray Dalio or

769
00:32:02,510 --> 00:32:09,620
Scott mannered from Guggenheim Partners

770
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:12,260
do we know if those funds outperform the

771
00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:14,510
Vanguard 500 I don't know about their

772
00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:17,860
specific funds one by one but what we

773
00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:21,980
know overall is that the vast majority

774
00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:25,399
of you know managed investment funds of

775
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:28,820
any sort will not over time beat the S&P

776
00:32:25,399 --> 00:32:31,460
500 right they simply won't it's not

777
00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:33,139
possible great because you've got away

778
00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:34,490
you've got it you know you've got it buy

779
00:32:33,139 --> 00:32:35,570
at the right time you have to sell at

780
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:37,100
the right time you have to pick the

781
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:38,870
right stocks at the right time and sell

782
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:40,610
the right stocks at the right time you

783
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:44,960
have to account for all the transaction

784
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:47,330
costs all of that makes it so that less

785
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,789
than 1% of people and that less of one

786
00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:51,740
percent of people includes the managers

787
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:53,600
of these funds it includes you and me

788
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:55,490
right there's no significant difference

789
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,220
at this point to not do this you're in

790
00:32:55,490 --> 00:33:02,570
in your app only 1% do it year in and

791
00:32:58,220 --> 00:33:04,760
year out it's less than 1% so so the

792
00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:09,190
odds are that these geniuses meeting in

793
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:13,370
Davos do not outperform the index funds

794
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:17,539
right or if they do it's because they

795
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:19,549
have either you know they've got access

796
00:33:17,539 --> 00:33:22,880
to investments that you and I don't

797
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:25,669
write you know they get in at crap

798
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,649
preferred rates there's just one of the

799
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:30,340
secrets of warren buffett success I was

800
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:33,980
just going to ask you about

801
00:33:30,340 --> 00:33:36,950
by the way extremely good investor and a

802
00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:39,889
big and a big fan of John bogles right

803
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:40,909
because he knows you and I are not

804
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:43,279
getting in

805
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:45,080
goldman sachs a at the ring he's getting

806
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:47,119
it right or the return he's guaranteed

807
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:51,529
or the conditions he can invest under

808
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:53,529
and so the result is is that you know

809
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:55,849
people are the financial services sector

810
00:33:53,529 --> 00:33:58,279
you know was making a killing for years

811
00:33:55,849 --> 00:33:59,960
convincing people that they could you

812
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,820
know keep up with the big boys right

813
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:05,269
what in fact they could do no such thing

814
00:34:01,820 --> 00:34:07,429
and sort of boggles genius was that he

815
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:10,579
came along at the right time right

816
00:34:07,429 --> 00:34:13,700
he founded the you know the he opens the

817
00:34:10,579 --> 00:34:17,000
fund to the public in late 1975 just

818
00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:19,190
about the same time as the individual

819
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,829
retirement account debuts and only a

820
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:23,839
couple of years before the 401k debuts

821
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:27,049
so all of a sudden people are kind of

822
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:29,990
forced to do this and so because of the

823
00:34:27,049 --> 00:34:32,030
keep in mind even as late as late 1980s

824
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:36,260
you only have about 25% of people

825
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:39,200
invested in the stock market so what he

826
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:41,419
what if his genius is isn't just that he

827
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:44,329
realizes you can't keep up right you're

828
00:34:41,419 --> 00:34:47,210
knocking it out investors out invest you

829
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:48,589
know the stock market it's that there

830
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:50,629
were a lot of people who actually don't

831
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:52,369
want to the financial services sector

832
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:53,929
had sort of predicated their pitch on

833
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:55,639
gee you want to be smarter than the

834
00:34:53,929 --> 00:34:59,869
markets right you want to do better

835
00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:01,549
what Bogle kind of Intuit it he's I'm

836
00:34:59,869 --> 00:35:04,069
not totally sure he would have even put

837
00:35:01,549 --> 00:35:05,930
it this way but what he intuited is that

838
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:07,760
actually a lot of people were just okay

839
00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:09,980
keeping up with the Dow Jones a--'s they

840
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,359
want to be had which is a major

841
00:35:09,980 --> 00:35:16,250
difference right

842
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:17,990
and because index funds are not you know

843
00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:19,400
they don't have superstar managers they

844
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:21,650
don't have to pick up trading costs

845
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,730
they're just replicating it index you

846
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:25,460
can actually offer them at this

847
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:28,039
incredibly cheap price in fact they're

848
00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:30,049
now you know places like fidelity that's

849
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:32,029
offering them at literally zero costs

850
00:35:30,049 --> 00:35:35,390
hoping to sell people who invested them

851
00:35:32,029 --> 00:35:37,880
on other services because they're really

852
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:39,319
there's no call there's next to no cost

853
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,319
I mean there's a small cost to them but

854
00:35:39,319 --> 00:35:46,059
there's really very little cost and so

855
00:35:42,319 --> 00:35:48,829
you know he made Americans lives better

856
00:35:46,059 --> 00:35:51,319
you know but I do want to say before we

857
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:52,880
all go yeah a John Bogle you know just

858
00:35:51,319 --> 00:35:54,500
couldn't solve the retirement issue on

859
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,109
his own right the

860
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:59,060
to the batter else as the 401k and the

861
00:35:57,109 --> 00:36:02,329
individual retirement account worthy as

862
00:35:59,060 --> 00:36:04,190
they are or not whatever you think of

863
00:36:02,329 --> 00:36:06,589
them in and of themselves are generally

864
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:09,589
still for rich people I mean the fact of

865
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:11,660
the matter is is the combination of the

866
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:13,940
fact that you know there is income

867
00:36:11,660 --> 00:36:16,220
massive income inequality there is

868
00:36:13,940 --> 00:36:17,540
wealth inequality you know huge numbers

869
00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:19,730
of people can't afford to put the money

870
00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:22,430
in and even if they do they're probably

871
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:24,400
not putting enough in so you know what

872
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:28,310
he really did was make a bad situation

873
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:30,109
somewhat better and that's that's still

874
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:31,670
a really good thing I'm not gonna sit

875
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:33,619
here and knock him for it but I don't

876
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:35,720
want to say that had we all listened to

877
00:36:33,619 --> 00:36:37,490
John Bogle there'd be no issue with

878
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:39,740
people saving for retirement because

879
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:42,890
that's probably not true either you

880
00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:45,349
write that financial planners in America

881
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:49,220
are glorified stockbrokers who were just

882
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:51,890
tricking you into buying the products

883
00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:53,690
that they're being told to push so their

884
00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:57,319
investment firm makes money

885
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:59,150
there was a fiduciary rule set up by the

886
00:36:57,319 --> 00:37:01,280
Obama administration I believe it was

887
00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:05,030
housed in the Commerce Department right

888
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,440
Wilbur Ross Labor Department Department

889
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:09,319
of Labor right

890
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:12,470
what is the fiduciary rule and what has

891
00:37:09,319 --> 00:37:16,700
happened to it well it's no more so the

892
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:19,880
idea was was that for retirement savers

893
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:21,800
as we talked about right so you go to

894
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,359
your most people go to seek financial

895
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,310
advice they think their financial

896
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:27,520
advisor which is what are these young

897
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:30,230
terms of the industry it means nothing

898
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,940
it's somebody who has it like basically

899
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:33,260
like a doctor Hippocratic oath to you

900
00:37:31,940 --> 00:37:35,810
right does they have to act your best

901
00:37:33,260 --> 00:37:37,460
interests and when when when this is

902
00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:39,800
polled a vast majority of people think

903
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:41,839
this it's totally not true the vast

904
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,579
majority of financial advisors work to

905
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:45,800
this rather load standard called the

906
00:37:43,579 --> 00:37:48,020
suitability standard which basically

907
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,819
means they can prioritize their

908
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:51,319
financial interests over your own as

909
00:37:49,819 --> 00:37:54,200
long as they're not doing out now

910
00:37:51,319 --> 00:37:58,730
malfeasance toward you so for instance

911
00:37:54,200 --> 00:38:00,140
they don't have to tell you if you know

912
00:37:58,730 --> 00:38:02,839
they're recommending a particular

913
00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:05,720
investment over one that would do better

914
00:38:02,839 --> 00:38:07,130
for you and that they're recommending an

915
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,000
investment because it tastes up a bigger

916
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:09,500
Commission or

917
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,830
they're somehow getting pushed by their

918
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:17,120
employer to put you selling you on it

919
00:38:12,830 --> 00:38:18,710
which is right and you know and they

920
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,200
don't have to say that it's only a

921
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:23,120
problem if it's out now now sees it like

922
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,880
it's just so incredibly inappropriate

923
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,410
for you it's also very hard to prove

924
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,210
right because they then make you sign

925
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:31,010
mandatory arbitration agreements a good

926
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:33,560
luck to you actually getting justice at

927
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:35,300
that point so I mean there are some

928
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,270
advisors who work to a higher standard

929
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:40,280
but you like have to do to ask for them

930
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:42,740
and so anyway so you have these people

931
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,660
who do this and so the retired and the

932
00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:47,090
Obama administration estimated this was

933
00:38:44,660 --> 00:38:48,740
costing investors about seventeen

934
00:38:47,090 --> 00:38:50,660
billion dollars a year and they're in

935
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:53,330
gains again something that would make

936
00:38:50,660 --> 00:38:55,520
life a lot better for people and they

937
00:38:53,330 --> 00:38:58,970
really attempted to change this for

938
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,650
retirement savers and they because the

939
00:38:58,970 --> 00:39:03,650
Department of Labor has jurisdiction

940
00:39:00,650 --> 00:39:08,270
over retirement savings not all savings

941
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:10,730
and so they basically push this through

942
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:12,860
that this would be the law through

943
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:16,430
regular the regulatory process for

944
00:39:12,860 --> 00:39:18,740
retirement savers and it gets challenged

945
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:21,410
in the courts and a very conservative

946
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:24,020
court in Texas basically overturns it

947
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:26,240
and the Obama administration and by this

948
00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:27,410
time were days away from the Trump

949
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:29,480
administration and the Trump

950
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:31,820
administration's like we're really not

951
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,370
interested in this and that's pretty

952
00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:36,440
much the end of it there's now some

953
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:38,060
attempts to do it through the Securities

954
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,040
and Exchange Commission but they're very

955
00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:43,520
weak and not producing to be going much

956
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,900
of anywhere at the moment and anyway

957
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,430
though to bring this back to John Bogle

958
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:48,800
John Bogle basically spent the last

959
00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:50,780
years of his life frantically trying to

960
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,060
promote the idea of the fiduciary

961
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:55,790
standard that your advisor should have a

962
00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:57,980
duty to you that exceeded the duty to

963
00:39:55,790 --> 00:40:00,470
his or her pocketbook there are a couple

964
00:39:57,980 --> 00:40:03,620
of things I'm absolutely convinced of I

965
00:40:00,470 --> 00:40:06,800
know that we need Medicare for all I

966
00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:09,710
know that there's just if you're against

967
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,300
it watch out because I will come after

968
00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:14,060
you with everything I've got

969
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:16,370
which is nothing but I wanted to sound

970
00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:19,010
tough for a second I know that Ralph

971
00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:22,220
Nader's our greatest living American

972
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:25,220
I know that a vegetarian vegan diet is

973
00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:27,619
morally superior and would save the

974
00:40:25,220 --> 00:40:30,920
planet and this is what I believe and I

975
00:40:27,619 --> 00:40:34,010
want you to respond to this there are

976
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:37,760
more mutual funds than there are stocks

977
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:41,060
there are more baskets of stocks than

978
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,190
there are stocks to put in those baskets

979
00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:47,869
which means we've seen this

980
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:50,480
proliferation of people who have become

981
00:40:47,869 --> 00:40:53,510
investment advisors and making all these

982
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,550
financial products that benefit nobody

983
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:58,490
they don't have perform the index funds

984
00:40:55,550 --> 00:41:02,000
these products these financial products

985
00:40:58,490 --> 00:41:06,890
only benefit the people who are selling

986
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:10,580
them and they're selling a lie I am

987
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:14,119
utterly I am utterly convinced that if

988
00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:16,790
you shut down 90 percent of the

989
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:20,869
financial sector in this country we

990
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:22,070
would have a much healthier economy but

991
00:41:20,869 --> 00:41:26,150
just think what it would do to the New

992
00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:27,680
York City restaurant scene but is that

993
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:29,960
isn't that true that you can eliminate

994
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,730
when you talk about taking an

995
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,920
etch-a-sketch to the federal government

996
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:37,130
if we took an etch-a-sketch to Wall

997
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:39,470
Street and just got rid of ninety

998
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:44,450
percent of the people who work there you

999
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:50,090
see the entire country grow and blossom

1000
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:52,460
and bloom I talked about this in town

1001
00:41:50,090 --> 00:41:57,490
foolish right financialization of the

1002
00:41:52,460 --> 00:42:00,350
economy and these jobs are basically

1003
00:41:57,490 --> 00:42:03,859
that jobs for the whole sector is

1004
00:42:00,350 --> 00:42:06,800
basically turning americans into so much

1005
00:42:03,859 --> 00:42:08,540
they're sort of leeches in one level on

1006
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,280
the american public I mean financial

1007
00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:12,200
sector has a valuable role I don't want

1008
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,910
to say that their total leeches yeah

1009
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,660
there's no investment without the

1010
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:19,070
financial sector right but what these

1011
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:20,210
what they've done and what the financial

1012
00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:22,940
sector has done what the health care

1013
00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:25,040
sector has done is over time it's not

1014
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:27,710
just that they're doing good they're

1015
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:30,650
also profiting by sort of like attaching

1016
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:34,670
themselves as leeches and try to extract

1017
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:36,950
see after see after see out of Americans

1018
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:40,220
who are suffering from stagnant wages

1019
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:42,440
who are you know falling behind a rapid

1020
00:42:40,220 --> 00:42:45,260
pace and one of the reasons they're

1021
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,510
falling behind is because you have to

1022
00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:48,800
give more of your money to this and I

1023
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:50,990
actually don't even think the financial

1024
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,850
sector is the worst of all the actors at

1025
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:54,680
all of us keep in mind the price of

1026
00:42:52,850 --> 00:42:56,720
insulin has basically doubled over the

1027
00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:00,260
last five or six years right

1028
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:03,140
that's just plain out extraction yeah I

1029
00:43:00,260 --> 00:43:05,750
mean it's extortion of sick people it's

1030
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:07,460
horrible and it should be stopped but

1031
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:09,500
because we have wealthy people and

1032
00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:12,710
wealthy corporations basically dictating

1033
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:14,420
government policy it's not and so I

1034
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:15,950
don't want to just single out the

1035
00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:17,630
financial sector for this because I

1036
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:20,180
think it's a much much bigger problem

1037
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:21,740
than that we bring back the draft and if

1038
00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:24,920
you want to be a conscientious objector

1039
00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:27,830
then you have to live for two years on

1040
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:31,220
food stamps in fact I think every

1041
00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:34,330
American when they turn 22 should have

1042
00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:39,050
to spend a year living on food stamps

1043
00:43:34,330 --> 00:43:41,900
that through taxation I think we need

1044
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:44,840
free public education at our

1045
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:48,200
universities and we pay for it

1046
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:51,670
by demanding that when you graduate you

1047
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:53,900
have to live below poverty for a year

1048
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:55,850
yeah but you know people's parents would

1049
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:59,390
just let some money on the side come on

1050
00:43:55,850 --> 00:44:01,910
but you can use the IRS to to monitor

1051
00:43:59,390 --> 00:44:06,800
that if everybody had to spend one year

1052
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:09,080
of their insignificant life living below

1053
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:12,620
the poverty line be a much better

1054
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:14,120
country 24 if you're 24 23 what does it

1055
00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:16,160
matter if you're living below the

1056
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,410
poverty line I think would just be

1057
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:21,230
better like tax the upper levels so that

1058
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:23,870
more of us are living less divided lives

1059
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:25,640
that's it that's who I mean you know

1060
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:27,770
it's I think that would probably

1061
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,940
ultimately have more of an impact I mean

1062
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:31,880
because one of the things I talked about

1063
00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:33,080
was wealth inequality and I think I

1064
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,810
mentioned this earlier in the show I

1065
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,630
mean it isolates people I mean the thing

1066
00:44:35,810 --> 00:44:40,730
so you know you literally get you know

1067
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:42,770
this sort of like Donald Trump doesn't

1068
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:43,520
appear to have a clue how a supermarket

1069
00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:45,560
works right

1070
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,970
right like he literally thinks like you

1071
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,990
could go in there and put stuff on

1072
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:53,000
account um probably because when he what

1073
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:55,400
goes to a supermarket if I had to guess

1074
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,870
he turns 28 and tells them to put it on

1075
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,490
a credit card right he probably doesn't

1076
00:44:56,870 --> 00:45:01,220
even deal with it himself he doesn't

1077
00:44:58,490 --> 00:45:02,420
have any cash right most of the very

1078
00:45:01,220 --> 00:45:03,950
wealthy people I've ever met in my life

1079
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:09,260
many of them don't walk around with cash

1080
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:11,480
right and I think that you know it's an

1081
00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:13,850
isolating thing and I think what would

1082
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,770
really make a knock at some of the

1083
00:45:13,850 --> 00:45:19,880
divides in our society is simply

1084
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:22,490
bringing this divide down because it

1085
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:25,460
would encourage people to not live such

1086
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:27,530
isolated lives and I think the less

1087
00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:29,150
isolated of life you lead the more

1088
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:30,890
empathy you're going to have for other

1089
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:33,890
people I mean that's just a certain

1090
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:36,290
amount of common sense you know it's if

1091
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:39,080
you don't know people personally who

1092
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:41,210
this sort of stuff impacts except maybe

1093
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,410
your made you know the chances are

1094
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:44,120
incredible you're just not going to

1095
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:46,130
think of it as a problem because it's

1096
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,480
gonna seem so abstract and I mean that

1097
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:49,460
for people who are decently well-meaning

1098
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:53,690
not like the cretins who are in charge

1099
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:55,430
right now right and I think that that's

1100
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:57,190
really in the end the most you know

1101
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:59,510
valuable thing and I think that was why

1102
00:45:57,190 --> 00:46:02,240
Alexandria Castillo Cortez hits such a

1103
00:45:59,510 --> 00:46:03,980
nerve with that 70% marginal tax rate

1104
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:06,590
it's like wait a second we're gonna have

1105
00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:08,510
to give something up right wait a second

1106
00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:10,250
you know we're part of this we're part

1107
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:11,720
of the problem you know because they've

1108
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:13,940
all convinced themselves there's somehow

1109
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:17,540
not part of the problem right right and

1110
00:46:13,940 --> 00:46:19,610
I've learned from her that yeah

1111
00:46:17,540 --> 00:46:21,650
taxing them at you know seventy percent

1112
00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:25,190
after ten million may not pay for

1113
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:29,600
everything but there's a virtue to

1114
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:32,660
insisting that the richest 1% has less

1115
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:35,180
money and I and I want to say that to

1116
00:46:32,660 --> 00:46:38,210
Larry Kudlow and the people at Davos the

1117
00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:41,240
purpose of taxing you at seventy percent

1118
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:44,450
after ten million is so you don't have

1119
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:46,280
as much money that's the problem I'm not

1120
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:48,650
concerned about paying for Medicare by

1121
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,960
taxing you with this rate I'm only

1122
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:52,880
concerned about making sure that you

1123
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,930
have less money

1124
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,920
ergo less power right I think

1125
00:46:56,930 --> 00:47:00,140
one of the things that's interesting

1126
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:04,220
that's creeping into this argument is

1127
00:47:00,140 --> 00:47:05,960
that because we've been so thinking this

1128
00:47:04,220 --> 00:47:07,760
way for so long right I think of it as a

1129
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,369
sort of forty year cycle right that sort

1130
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,930
of starts in the late 1970s that we have

1131
00:47:10,369 --> 00:47:14,510
to sort of justify everything by a

1132
00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:16,369
cost-benefit analysis right well you

1133
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:18,829
know if we're gonna tax it has to do X

1134
00:47:16,369 --> 00:47:21,020
or Y when in fact it could just have

1135
00:47:18,829 --> 00:47:22,550
this greater goal of simply reducing

1136
00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:25,010
income inequality and wealth inequality

1137
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:27,619
because that in and of itself is a good

1138
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:28,910
thing right and I think that's the thing

1139
00:47:27,619 --> 00:47:30,920
that's kind of getting lost in this

1140
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:32,180
argument a little bit as well you know

1141
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,400
this world you know this won't pay for

1142
00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:35,690
this well maybe it won't but a lot of

1143
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,230
other good things will come out of the

1144
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:42,380
fact that you're going to simply have

1145
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:44,059
less money I mean that's you know that

1146
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:46,250
you're gonna be forced to interact with

1147
00:47:44,059 --> 00:47:49,069
other people more you're gonna be forced

1148
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:50,450
to you know ponder the fact that you

1149
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:52,309
know no you're not going to solve the

1150
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:53,869
world's problems by setting up a charity

1151
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:55,849
which is dependent on the amount of

1152
00:47:53,869 --> 00:47:57,290
money you want to give it voluntarily by

1153
00:47:55,849 --> 00:48:00,349
you know issues that are going to be

1154
00:47:57,290 --> 00:48:01,970
decided by us as a society yeah and

1155
00:48:00,349 --> 00:48:04,369
that's the big thing that has been lost

1156
00:48:01,970 --> 00:48:06,410
over the past 40 years is that we've

1157
00:48:04,369 --> 00:48:08,569
sort of had this idea that wealthy

1158
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:09,530
people as I bring this full circle to

1159
00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:11,660
what I said at the beginning that

1160
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:13,400
wealthy people like are somehow you know

1161
00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:15,020
these uber people and that they just

1162
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,579
have this better sense of the way the

1163
00:48:15,020 --> 00:48:18,410
world works and the rest of us you know

1164
00:48:16,579 --> 00:48:20,960
random you know day-to-day you know

1165
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:23,240
scroungers out there and and therefore

1166
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,400
they should have more of a say and that

1167
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:27,380
their money is buying them that say and

1168
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,420
I just at the end of the day I don't

1169
00:48:27,380 --> 00:48:31,309
think that's right our founding fathers

1170
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:33,380
were against primogeniture they made it

1171
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:35,720
against the law from a Gentry's like

1172
00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:39,730
leaving all your money to your oldest

1173
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:42,770
son so the money stays concentrated in

1174
00:48:39,730 --> 00:48:44,809
one person so there's an aristocracy we

1175
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:48,260
our founding fathers outlawed having an

1176
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:51,200
aristocracy but they've rejiggered the

1177
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:53,540
tax system so there is one anyway okay

1178
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,930
next week next week Helaine olen is the

1179
00:48:53,540 --> 00:48:59,960
author Huff pound-foolish and the index

1180
00:48:56,930 --> 00:49:01,970
card which she co-wrote and she writes

1181
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:03,250
for The Washington Post everybody should

1182
00:49:01,970 --> 00:49:06,020
read her over at the Washington Post

1183
00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:06,680
thank you thank you for having me on are

1184
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:08,160
you kidding

1185
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:28,619
Stan wine for one second

1186
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:28,619
[Music]

1187
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:34,880
you're listening to the david feldman

1188
00:49:31,460 --> 00:49:38,500
radio program you said pathetic humph

1189
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,970
let's go to deerfield massachusetts were

1190
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:43,609
screenwriter actor comedian and

1191
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:45,890
gentleman farmer John Ross is standing

1192
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:49,099
by hello John it's always an adventure

1193
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:51,530
and exciting to hear my introduction to

1194
00:49:49,099 --> 00:49:53,060
find out who and what I am because it's

1195
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:55,099
different every time and I enjoy it

1196
00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:58,369
you're an award-winning comedy writer

1197
00:49:55,099 --> 00:50:00,140
that is true yes what's happening with

1198
00:49:58,369 --> 00:50:02,540
the government shutdown is your farm

1199
00:50:00,140 --> 00:50:05,690
being affected by this Donald Trump my

1200
00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:07,640
esteem for him grows every day that one

1201
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:10,190
thing about the wall that I'm a little

1202
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:12,800
bit mmm like how effective is a wall

1203
00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:16,190
really I mean why not a dome let's

1204
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,619
enclose the entire country they can't

1205
00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:23,810
get over a dome let me think about this

1206
00:50:18,619 --> 00:50:27,290
for a second that makes sense

1207
00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:31,400
for now I'll take the wall these crybaby

1208
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:31,609
federal workers who want their money why

1209
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,099
not

1210
00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:36,890
liquidate some of your stocks sell a

1211
00:50:34,099 --> 00:50:38,990
bond well how is this that hard they're

1212
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:41,089
learning their lesson because Donald

1213
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:43,490
Trump is teaching us teaching them and

1214
00:50:41,089 --> 00:50:45,619
teaching us that their jobs are

1215
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:47,750
irrelevant like we don't even need their

1216
00:50:45,619 --> 00:50:49,070
jobs because America has to top it up

1217
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:51,880
you know what I mean mm-hmm

1218
00:50:49,070 --> 00:50:55,280
like the all the crybaby Americans I

1219
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:57,530
inspect my food before I eat it I need

1220
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,050
somebody to inspect this what are you a

1221
00:50:57,530 --> 00:51:01,130
baby right if it doesn't smell good

1222
00:51:00,050 --> 00:51:03,190
don't eat it

1223
00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:05,930
right you don't nobody inspect your food

1224
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:07,280
right right you don't need that oh I

1225
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:09,380
don't want to get an airplane let

1226
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,960
somebody inspect it first it's got two

1227
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:14,570
wings in two wheels it's a plane

1228
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:17,330
get on it ray got fired the air traffic

1229
00:51:14,570 --> 00:51:18,859
controllers do we still have aircraft I

1230
00:51:17,330 --> 00:51:20,330
know they went on strike and to teach

1231
00:51:18,859 --> 00:51:22,580
them a lesson he fired all the air

1232
00:51:20,330 --> 00:51:25,460
traffic controllers don't the planes

1233
00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:27,530
just automatically know where to go and

1234
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:29,540
where to fly now you don't need those

1235
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:31,339
guys well they have autopilot and they

1236
00:51:29,540 --> 00:51:33,950
have Auto traffic controller I'm sure I

1237
00:51:31,339 --> 00:51:35,690
think I read that somewhere yeah you

1238
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:38,450
don't need that Hey and you know I heard

1239
00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:40,700
these federal prison guards like Oh

1240
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:41,839
cry baby I don't have gas to get back

1241
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:42,950
and forth to work so you know what they

1242
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:46,579
did this is true

1243
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:48,980
they set up cots in the prison for the

1244
00:51:46,579 --> 00:51:50,150
prison guards so they just sleep there

1245
00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:52,670
that makes sense

1246
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:55,400
right exactly all these things are like

1247
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:58,520
wow why haven't we been doing this all

1248
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,020
along have the guards be in the prison

1249
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,240
with the prisoners all the time

1250
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:05,390
it's insane that they're not the

1251
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:10,070
inefficiency exactly Donald Trump is

1252
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:12,800
making this country eficient mm-hmm

1253
00:52:10,070 --> 00:52:15,320
so that's good yeah Wilbur Ross had some

1254
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:20,000
good oh your uncle uncle Wilbur he's got

1255
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,750
that Ross chin that swagger he does have

1256
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,630
the swagger

1257
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:25,670
he's any successful just like you yeah

1258
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:28,790
yeah so what did he say he said take a

1259
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:31,609
loan exactly why can't they go take

1260
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:33,890
payday loans they're too lazy to go to

1261
00:52:31,609 --> 00:52:36,680
the bank and get along you believe it

1262
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:38,329
that's federal employees for you yep

1263
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,430
yeah yeah they've been trained

1264
00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:43,010
I want my government checks sent to me

1265
00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:46,730
because I'm a federal employee yeah did

1266
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:49,430
is wanted handed to me spoon-fed Donald

1267
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:52,040
Trump is spoon feeding them the bitter

1268
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:54,950
medicine these people need and spoon

1269
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:58,490
feeding the rest of us the truth as are

1270
00:52:54,950 --> 00:53:01,160
you thank you John Ross you're welcome

1271
00:52:58,490 --> 00:53:04,640
these cry-baby federal workers having

1272
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:06,950
soup kitchens and food drives canned

1273
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,050
food drives for these people you cannot

1274
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:11,510
give them free food they're like stray

1275
00:53:09,050 --> 00:53:13,130
cats like they'll be back yeah looking

1276
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:15,319
for a handout as soon as you give them

1277
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:17,240
anything so we've got to get rid of

1278
00:53:15,319 --> 00:53:17,540
these people should take their kids from

1279
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:19,369
them

1280
00:53:17,540 --> 00:53:22,579
so you're saying two separate federal

1281
00:53:19,369 --> 00:53:24,560
employees from their kids it's not a bad

1282
00:53:22,579 --> 00:53:27,079
idea it's a great idea they shouldn't be

1283
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:30,260
having kids now who do we get to

1284
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:31,880
separate them from their kids we might

1285
00:53:30,260 --> 00:53:34,460
have to ask them to self separate

1286
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,710
because self-deportation

1287
00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:38,270
which I began was Mitt Romney's idea

1288
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:40,430
yeah that's right I got it for my admit

1289
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:43,250
I stole it I took it and I took it in a

1290
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:46,339
different direction self separation

1291
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:49,579
mm-hmm like an amoeba or a Paramecium

1292
00:53:46,339 --> 00:53:54,260
maybe we should get Laura Trump to

1293
00:53:49,579 --> 00:53:55,890
promote yeah I love her she is I like

1294
00:53:54,260 --> 00:53:58,500
her she's married

1295
00:53:55,890 --> 00:54:00,750
she's married to Eric the hunter what a

1296
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:01,799
great guy the apple doesn't fall far

1297
00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:05,369
from the tree

1298
00:54:01,799 --> 00:54:07,500
Donald Trump he self separated he's a

1299
00:54:05,369 --> 00:54:10,410
good father he's a great father I

1300
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:13,319
apologize he's a great father he self

1301
00:54:10,410 --> 00:54:15,510
separated he knew that the best thing

1302
00:54:13,319 --> 00:54:17,519
for kids is self separation

1303
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:20,099
he left the mother he left everybody

1304
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:23,210
left everybody and it made those kids

1305
00:54:20,099 --> 00:54:26,400
tough it made him top it made them

1306
00:54:23,210 --> 00:54:28,140
ambitious I mean those guys are geniuses

1307
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,019
Don jr. and Eric if they could have gone

1308
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:33,839
and worked for anybody they could have

1309
00:54:31,019 --> 00:54:36,539
gotten any job in any fortune 500

1310
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:38,369
company but what do they do they came

1311
00:54:36,539 --> 00:54:40,740
back to Donald and now they're working

1312
00:54:38,369 --> 00:54:45,900
for us which is nice

1313
00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:50,279
and nobody thanks them you and I do you

1314
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:52,769
read about that male nurse at the care

1315
00:54:50,279 --> 00:54:56,640
facility this person in a vegetative

1316
00:54:52,769 --> 00:54:58,740
state gave birth Yeah right and they're

1317
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,589
claiming he's being accused of

1318
00:54:58,740 --> 00:55:04,890
impregnating this woman in a coma you've

1319
00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:06,539
got the story straight and he's produced

1320
00:55:04,890 --> 00:55:11,759
his personal calendars that prove that

1321
00:55:06,539 --> 00:55:13,559
he didn't was he with squeaked they're

1322
00:55:11,759 --> 00:55:16,430
ruining a good man they're trying to

1323
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:20,819
ruining a good man just because

1324
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:22,319
political correctness where are you

1325
00:55:20,819 --> 00:55:24,539
gonna get good people to serve in

1326
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:26,700
government like Brett Kavanaugh what he

1327
00:55:24,539 --> 00:55:28,170
went through right well that's funny I

1328
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:29,309
hadn't thought about Brett Kavanaugh and

1329
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:30,960
we were talking about this but oh yeah

1330
00:55:29,309 --> 00:55:32,819
Brett Kavanaugh yes he went through a

1331
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,319
similar thing it occurs to me now you

1332
00:55:32,819 --> 00:55:36,900
know it's a miracle that anybody would

1333
00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:42,390
want to be a Supreme Court justice and

1334
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:45,809
it's a miracle that anybody would wanna

1335
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:47,819
have sex with a quadriplegic in a coma

1336
00:55:45,809 --> 00:55:51,569
if there are these kind of consequences

1337
00:55:47,819 --> 00:55:54,630
he'll restrain him dangerous territory

1338
00:55:51,569 --> 00:55:58,019
all right god bless america yes sir

1339
00:55:54,630 --> 00:56:00,359
god bless Donald Trump yes sir and god

1340
00:55:58,019 --> 00:56:03,329
bless the men and women of ice who are

1341
00:56:00,359 --> 00:56:05,220
keeping her border safe yes I have

1342
00:56:03,329 --> 00:56:09,059
pictures of them life-sized pictures on

1343
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:09,539
my wall of the heroes of ice god bless

1344
00:56:09,059 --> 00:56:11,429
them

1345
00:56:09,539 --> 00:56:13,829
god bless you sir and you're teaching

1346
00:56:11,429 --> 00:56:15,959
screenwriting at Covington Catholic

1347
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:18,509
school I understand that is correct yeah

1348
00:56:15,959 --> 00:56:21,389
we start with a little drum circle yes

1349
00:56:18,509 --> 00:56:24,359
we sing we chant about structure and

1350
00:56:21,389 --> 00:56:24,929
plot points and the dark night of the

1351
00:56:24,359 --> 00:56:30,269
soul

1352
00:56:24,929 --> 00:56:32,909
what about Kamala Harris huh huh right

1353
00:56:30,269 --> 00:56:36,509
she's put everyone in San Francisco in

1354
00:56:32,909 --> 00:56:39,119
jail mm-hmm right no evidence when she

1355
00:56:36,509 --> 00:56:41,159
was the DA in San Francisco with all

1356
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:44,939
made up of it with all made up evidence

1357
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:48,359
yes such as the FBI they're all in on

1358
00:56:44,939 --> 00:56:50,399
the FBI we gotta get may be no more

1359
00:56:48,359 --> 00:56:53,880
prosecutors now you're a member of the

1360
00:56:50,399 --> 00:56:55,909
National Rifle Association yes that was

1361
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,619
your dr. Martin Luther King Day

1362
00:56:55,909 --> 00:57:01,349
delightful you know that I'm very

1363
00:56:58,619 --> 00:57:05,130
reverent of the Reverend dr. Martin

1364
00:57:01,349 --> 00:57:07,319
Luther King jr. great man I don't think

1365
00:57:05,130 --> 00:57:11,219
generator man than dr. Martin Luther

1366
00:57:07,319 --> 00:57:15,239
King jr. possibly not and cut down in

1367
00:57:11,219 --> 00:57:18,479
his prime and did not have to be did you

1368
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:21,539
know that he had applied a gun permit a

1369
00:57:18,479 --> 00:57:24,209
carry permit in a state that a May issue

1370
00:57:21,539 --> 00:57:25,979
like it might and then and they turned

1371
00:57:24,209 --> 00:57:28,709
him down they turned him down they

1372
00:57:25,979 --> 00:57:30,419
turned him down to get a gun to get a

1373
00:57:28,709 --> 00:57:33,089
gun now you're a member of the National

1374
00:57:30,419 --> 00:57:35,999
Rifle Association yes I would like to

1375
00:57:33,089 --> 00:57:38,789
run for president I think that I could

1376
00:57:35,999 --> 00:57:42,959
challenge Oliver North but yes right now

1377
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:45,389
I'm just a plebeian run-of-the-mill yeah

1378
00:57:42,959 --> 00:57:47,159
actually a that dr. Martin Luther King

1379
00:57:45,389 --> 00:57:50,989
jr. would still be alive today

1380
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:56,369
had he been issued that handgun

1381
00:57:50,989 --> 00:57:58,469
obviously it's so simple right yeah yeah

1382
00:57:56,369 --> 00:58:01,699
the only way to stop a bad guy with a

1383
00:57:58,469 --> 00:58:05,999
gun is a non-violent pacifist with a gun

1384
00:58:01,699 --> 00:58:10,739
if dr. Martin Luther King jr. had had a

1385
00:58:05,999 --> 00:58:12,929
gun do you think James Earl Ray would

1386
00:58:10,739 --> 00:58:15,149
have tried that no because he would have

1387
00:58:12,929 --> 00:58:17,779
stepped out on that balcony and he would

1388
00:58:15,149 --> 00:58:20,999
have had that gun turned sideways

1389
00:58:17,779 --> 00:58:22,430
gangster style thanks the style and

1390
00:58:20,999 --> 00:58:24,500
James Earl Ray would have

1391
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:25,960
had that sniper rifle on wet whoa whoa

1392
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:28,060
whoa

1393
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:49,060
exactly exactly

1394
00:58:28,060 --> 00:58:51,380
[Music]

1395
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:52,790
you're listening to the david feldman

1396
00:58:51,380 --> 00:58:55,490
radio program

1397
00:58:52,790 --> 00:58:57,650
you said pathetic humph let's go to

1398
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:58,970
washington d.c which is still there i

1399
00:58:57,650 --> 00:59:02,060
hope it is

1400
00:58:58,970 --> 00:59:03,430
oh good okay and Zack Ford is the LGBTQ

1401
00:59:02,060 --> 00:59:07,070
editor for Think Progress

1402
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:09,950
thinkprogress.org read him every day he

1403
00:59:07,070 --> 00:59:12,320
was gone last week but he's back and

1404
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:15,920
we're gonna talk about the Supreme

1405
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:17,660
Court's ruling on the military banning

1406
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,760
transgender people from serving in the

1407
00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:24,230
military I want to talk about religious

1408
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:28,730
freedom foster care and how people start

1409
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:31,400
with persecuting the LGBTQ but it

1410
00:59:28,730 --> 00:59:33,410
doesn't end there and it's on to Muslims

1411
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:38,810
and Jews or it starts with Muslims and

1412
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:42,440
Jews and then goes over to LGBTQ under

1413
00:59:38,810 --> 00:59:46,750
the guise of religious liberty and New

1414
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:50,000
York State very blue but maybe behind on

1415
00:59:46,750 --> 00:59:53,150
LGBTQ issues surprisingly we'll ask Zach

1416
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,910
about that in a second but first Nancy

1417
00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:57,770
Pelosi didn't see great do you think

1418
00:59:55,910 --> 01:00:00,220
she's great you know I think we're

1419
00:59:57,770 --> 01:00:02,960
seeing somebody stand up to Trump and

1420
01:00:00,220 --> 01:00:05,240
that's refreshing in and of itself and I

1421
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,870
think she's doing it in thoughtful

1422
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:12,140
measured ways and you know we saw Trump

1423
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:14,330
cave a little bit because you know he

1424
01:00:12,140 --> 01:00:16,730
wanted to do the State of the Union and

1425
01:00:14,330 --> 01:00:19,070
she said well we're not gonna pass the

1426
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:21,670
thing we need to pass to let you come so

1427
01:00:19,070 --> 01:00:23,480
he kind of gave up on that and you know

1428
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:25,640
obviously he's gonna do what he's gonna

1429
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,710
do he's gonna find some other venue or

1430
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,710
do some one of his campaign events or

1431
01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:32,990
whatever but you know it was it was I'll

1432
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:34,850
show a force from from the Speaker of

1433
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:37,580
the House and it it worked in this

1434
01:00:34,850 --> 01:00:39,470
particular case so I don't know I'm it's

1435
01:00:37,580 --> 01:00:41,540
it's kind of a small potatoes thing but

1436
01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:43,460
I'm optimistic I'm excited to see you

1437
01:00:41,540 --> 01:00:45,110
know what future showdowns might look

1438
01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:47,240
like I thought she approached it in a

1439
01:00:45,110 --> 01:00:50,030
very thoughtful way yeah I got scared

1440
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:53,060
because it happened around the same time

1441
01:00:50,030 --> 01:00:56,330
that Michael Kohn canceled his testimony

1442
01:00:53,060 --> 01:00:58,280
he said I can't guarantee my own safety

1443
01:00:56,330 --> 01:01:00,290
I've been getting threats and then you

1444
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,730
you know you watch the news and they

1445
01:01:00,290 --> 01:01:05,210
replay the

1446
01:01:01,730 --> 01:01:07,850
threats from Giuliani and Donald Trump

1447
01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:09,800
and it is obstruction of justice it's

1448
01:01:07,850 --> 01:01:12,050
saying if you testify we're gonna go

1449
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,900
after your family your father-in-law is

1450
01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:16,850
gonna get arrested it's straight out of

1451
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:19,190
Godfather two we're Frankie five angels

1452
01:01:16,850 --> 01:01:21,590
as testifying and suddenly his brother

1453
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:25,130
shows up from Sicily this is just

1454
01:01:21,590 --> 01:01:28,520
downright mobster intimidation that was

1455
01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:33,200
going on early in the day on Wednesday

1456
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:34,880
and Trump said I'm going to the Capitol

1457
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,680
whether or not I'm invited I'm gonna

1458
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:40,520
deliver that State of the Union I began

1459
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:44,600
to think you know he could do that he

1460
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:47,960
could storm the Capitol with his Secret

1461
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,730
Service or ice and there would be some

1462
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,190
people who would show up for that speech

1463
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:53,840
and that would be really scary it's no

1464
01:01:52,190 --> 01:01:56,750
secret that he was a bully it's no

1465
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:59,030
secret that he's willing to take on

1466
01:01:56,750 --> 01:02:00,680
conventional steps to get his way but

1467
01:01:59,030 --> 01:02:02,210
you know I think it would have been an

1468
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,940
interesting thing if he showed up

1469
01:02:02,210 --> 01:02:07,820
because like I said the house has to

1470
01:02:04,940 --> 01:02:10,220
pass a resolution inviting him in to

1471
01:02:07,820 --> 01:02:12,170
speak and if he showed up and spoke you

1472
01:02:10,220 --> 01:02:14,750
know it'd be topsy-turvy if you'd like

1473
01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:17,840
something out of house of cards but I

1474
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:18,920
don't know that it would you know look

1475
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,540
good in his favor

1476
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,520
I think it would just show that he's

1477
01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:25,550
more of a bully and more of somebody who

1478
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:27,850
is willing to bulldoze to try to get his

1479
01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:31,250
way regardless of how unrealistic or

1480
01:02:27,850 --> 01:02:33,440
xenophobic that way is yeah well 35

1481
01:02:31,250 --> 01:02:36,230
percent of the American people would say

1482
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:38,180
go gadem yeah they've put the

1483
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:40,850
Constitution on a treadmill this is the

1484
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:43,580
ultimate I hope it's the ultimate stress

1485
01:02:40,850 --> 01:02:47,420
test he's found every hole he's like

1486
01:02:43,580 --> 01:02:50,990
water if you've ever been in a flood you

1487
01:02:47,420 --> 01:02:54,410
know what water does he finds every

1488
01:02:50,990 --> 01:02:57,200
crack every hole and leaves behind black

1489
01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:58,580
mold okay you're off to creating change

1490
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,520
what is creating change

1491
01:02:58,580 --> 01:03:04,940
so creating change is the National

1492
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:09,200
Conference on LGBTQ equality it's been

1493
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:11,600
around for a very long time and you know

1494
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,880
it's it's a really wondrous conference

1495
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,750
this year it's in Detroit that brings

1496
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,320
together

1497
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:17,750
elder

1498
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:20,900
bcq activists and leaders from around

1499
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:22,910
the country to strategize with each

1500
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:25,760
other and share their wisdom with each

1501
01:03:22,910 --> 01:03:28,280
other and you know you have all of the

1502
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,140
state Equality advocacy groups show up

1503
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,270
you have all of the folks at

1504
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:34,070
universities who were doing LGBTQ

1505
01:03:32,270 --> 01:03:35,660
support show up you have all the folks

1506
01:03:34,070 --> 01:03:38,180
who are running community centers show

1507
01:03:35,660 --> 01:03:40,610
up and on top of all of that expertise

1508
01:03:38,180 --> 01:03:42,800
you have this vibrant group of very

1509
01:03:40,610 --> 01:03:45,380
young activists you have high school

1510
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,210
kids and college kids who are just eager

1511
01:03:45,380 --> 01:03:48,860
to learn everything and take that back

1512
01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:50,960
to their communities and make a

1513
01:03:48,860 --> 01:03:52,370
difference and I know for me the first

1514
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,590
time I went which was over ten years ago

1515
01:03:52,370 --> 01:03:57,710
now it was the first time that I was

1516
01:03:54,590 --> 01:04:00,050
ever in a totally queer space I mean now

1517
01:03:57,710 --> 01:04:02,450
that I live in DC I can I can spend a

1518
01:04:00,050 --> 01:04:04,820
lot of time in queer specific spaces if

1519
01:04:02,450 --> 01:04:06,290
I want to but as somebody who hadn't

1520
01:04:04,820 --> 01:04:07,310
lived in a city like that before it was

1521
01:04:06,290 --> 01:04:10,130
the first time that I was in this

1522
01:04:07,310 --> 01:04:12,410
environment where everyone I met

1523
01:04:10,130 --> 01:04:13,880
I could generally assume was queer as

1524
01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:15,830
opposed to the opposite it was sort of

1525
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,600
like what I I guess straight people

1526
01:04:15,830 --> 01:04:20,270
enjoy the rest of the time in the world

1527
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,380
and I remember I was living in an Iowa

1528
01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:23,450
at the time that I went to my first

1529
01:04:21,380 --> 01:04:26,120
conference there and I remember like

1530
01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:27,770
driving back into Iowa and thinking like

1531
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:30,080
oh I'm driving back into straight world

1532
01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:33,620
and it literally took me a good week to

1533
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:36,230
sort of you know lose that feeling that

1534
01:04:33,620 --> 01:04:38,870
like everyone around me was you know

1535
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:41,600
part of my community and it was kind of

1536
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:43,670
disputed reality check to come back from

1537
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,740
that but it was still it still is very

1538
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:47,810
liberating the experience and I go back

1539
01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:50,300
and you know even though now I'm one of

1540
01:04:47,810 --> 01:04:52,490
those policy experts and I'll be talking

1541
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:55,070
about the Alliance defending freedom and

1542
01:04:52,490 --> 01:04:57,530
other hate groups at a panel I still

1543
01:04:55,070 --> 01:04:59,240
learn things from other folks I learned

1544
01:04:57,530 --> 01:05:01,160
about why'd to criminalize and sex work

1545
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,320
is important or and I learn about the

1546
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,310
latest you know efforts and HIV advocacy

1547
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,160
or or what-have-you

1548
01:05:04,310 --> 01:05:08,870
and it's just it's a really special

1549
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,540
conference so if you're in the Detroit

1550
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:13,940
area you definitely want to pop over

1551
01:05:11,540 --> 01:05:17,210
there this weekend and see what you can

1552
01:05:13,940 --> 01:05:19,490
learn or just look for us but otherwise

1553
01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:21,770
just keep it on your radar for future

1554
01:05:19,490 --> 01:05:23,210
years it's not the cheapest thing to to

1555
01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:24,800
attend a conference like that

1556
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:26,780
but it's one of the most meaningful that

1557
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,450
I've ever participated in that's why I

1558
01:05:26,780 --> 01:05:30,640
keep going back creating

1559
01:05:28,450 --> 01:05:33,940
change conference January 23rd for the

1560
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:36,339
27th 2019 at the Detroit married at the

1561
01:05:33,940 --> 01:05:39,820
Renaissance Center and it's sponsored by

1562
01:05:36,339 --> 01:05:42,460
the National LGBTQ Task Force

1563
01:05:39,820 --> 01:05:45,040
do they have priorities do they have a

1564
01:05:42,460 --> 01:05:47,050
theme each year do they single out the

1565
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:49,780
one big issue that people should be

1566
01:05:47,050 --> 01:05:51,730
focused on in a sense yes in a sense no

1567
01:05:49,780 --> 01:05:52,869
they have a couple plenary sessions

1568
01:05:51,730 --> 01:05:54,640
which is where they invite the entire

1569
01:05:52,869 --> 01:05:56,470
conference to come together to hear

1570
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,030
certain speakers I think one of the

1571
01:05:56,470 --> 01:06:00,369
panels this year is specifically about

1572
01:05:58,030 --> 01:06:03,490
the me2 movement and its intersections

1573
01:06:00,369 --> 01:06:05,440
with the LGBTQ community but really you

1574
01:06:03,490 --> 01:06:07,510
know there's there's just so much they

1575
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,920
have different topic areas that if you

1576
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:11,170
really want to focus on learning about

1577
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,910
something all of the different workshops

1578
01:06:11,170 --> 01:06:15,550
are categorized in such a way that you

1579
01:06:12,910 --> 01:06:16,839
can make sure you're getting to all of

1580
01:06:15,550 --> 01:06:18,490
the different ones related to what you

1581
01:06:16,839 --> 01:06:19,750
care about but it's really just an

1582
01:06:18,490 --> 01:06:22,660
opportunity to kind of learn about

1583
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:23,920
everything and you know it's it's unlike

1584
01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:27,099
any other commerce I went to in the way

1585
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:29,859
that it creates accessibility and it

1586
01:06:27,099 --> 01:06:31,839
promotes diversity and and creating an

1587
01:06:29,859 --> 01:06:33,940
environment that people feel safe to

1588
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:34,510
participate in it's it's a pretty

1589
01:06:33,940 --> 01:06:36,760
special place

1590
01:06:34,510 --> 01:06:41,369
yeah the me2 movement Kevin Spacey

1591
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:45,310
notwithstanding the violence in same-sex

1592
01:06:41,369 --> 01:06:48,250
relationships has not bubbled up to the

1593
01:06:45,310 --> 01:06:51,099
surface yet on a national scale and I

1594
01:06:48,250 --> 01:06:53,950
think that's something to do with not

1595
01:06:51,099 --> 01:06:57,220
wanting to draw attention to that is

1596
01:06:53,950 --> 01:06:59,619
there some kind of internal regulation

1597
01:06:57,220 --> 01:07:01,329
going on in the LGBTQ I know you don't

1598
01:06:59,619 --> 01:07:03,970
speak for everybody in the LGBTQ

1599
01:07:01,329 --> 01:07:08,020
community but I could I can imagine not

1600
01:07:03,970 --> 01:07:11,800
wanting that issue to bubble up to the

1601
01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:14,950
national media uh yeah we do know that

1602
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:17,050
in same-sex relationships there's just

1603
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:19,000
as much domestic abuse as there are in

1604
01:07:17,050 --> 01:07:21,579
straight relationships so there's

1605
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:24,430
definitely all kinds of related topics

1606
01:07:21,579 --> 01:07:26,829
that are just as pertinent to what we

1607
01:07:24,430 --> 01:07:30,190
experience I don't know that there's any

1608
01:07:26,829 --> 01:07:32,290
particular barrier that people are

1609
01:07:30,190 --> 01:07:35,170
putting up to discussing it I think it's

1610
01:07:32,290 --> 01:07:37,359
just you know we've been so focused on

1611
01:07:35,170 --> 01:07:39,279
on showing how much our families are the

1612
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:41,619
same in positive ways right

1613
01:07:39,279 --> 01:07:43,599
that a lot of the the negative things

1614
01:07:41,619 --> 01:07:45,099
may have been pushed to the backburner

1615
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:46,809
but there are still issues that we need

1616
01:07:45,099 --> 01:07:49,150
to work on as a community in the

1617
01:07:46,809 --> 01:07:49,749
movement to promote our own health and

1618
01:07:49,150 --> 01:07:53,109
safety

1619
01:07:49,749 --> 01:07:57,179
the real problem is straight people or

1620
01:07:53,109 --> 01:08:00,849
closeted gay men beating up homosexuals

1621
01:07:57,179 --> 01:08:05,919
LGBTQ that's the problem so that if you

1622
01:08:00,849 --> 01:08:09,159
bring up the subject of LGBTQ on LGBTQ

1623
01:08:05,919 --> 01:08:12,699
violence it distracts from the real

1624
01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:14,949
problem which is closet cases you know

1625
01:08:12,699 --> 01:08:17,619
being violent towards the LGBTQ

1626
01:08:14,949 --> 01:08:19,809
community so I could see how that isn't

1627
01:08:17,619 --> 01:08:22,719
being addressed yet on a national yeah

1628
01:08:19,809 --> 01:08:24,429
it's definitely you know it it's not a

1629
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:26,079
community that is perfect in every

1630
01:08:24,429 --> 01:08:28,210
single way we we have some of the same

1631
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:30,130
challenges that everyone else faces and

1632
01:08:28,210 --> 01:08:31,839
I think it'll be important to bring more

1633
01:08:30,130 --> 01:08:33,460
light to that so I'm curious to see what

1634
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:35,020
approach they take in the conference

1635
01:08:33,460 --> 01:08:37,960
this weekend I would think the police

1636
01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:40,719
have to be educated first I would think

1637
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:44,109
the same-sex couples have a problem

1638
01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:47,279
calling in a domestic disturbance I

1639
01:08:44,109 --> 01:08:50,319
don't think the police are equipped to

1640
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:53,049
empathize well you're definitely right

1641
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:54,639
that we still face anti LGBTQ

1642
01:08:53,049 --> 01:08:56,799
discrimination from the police there was

1643
01:08:54,639 --> 01:08:59,349
a story just this week of a trans woman

1644
01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:00,849
who was you know basically arrested for

1645
01:08:59,349 --> 01:09:03,270
being trans on the street and just

1646
01:09:00,849 --> 01:09:05,409
walking and she's suing for the

1647
01:09:03,270 --> 01:09:07,000
discrimination that she experienced so I

1648
01:09:05,409 --> 01:09:10,719
think you're right I think there's some

1649
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:12,670
apprehension that we won't get the kind

1650
01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:14,319
of support that we need when we're

1651
01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:16,960
facing these similar kinds of struggles

1652
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:18,520
so we have to you know do that kind of

1653
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,889
training but also just create resources

1654
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:23,079
that help people realize this is a real

1655
01:09:20,889 --> 01:09:23,920
issue and it it might manifest in

1656
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:25,960
different ways

1657
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,599
based on you know makeup of our

1658
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:31,449
relationships and we need to continue to

1659
01:09:28,599 --> 01:09:32,920
protect ourselves from that AOC I'm

1660
01:09:31,449 --> 01:09:36,309
throwing you a curve ball

1661
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:39,670
she's what 28 27 something like that

1662
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:43,119
people my age think there's gonna be a

1663
01:09:39,670 --> 01:09:46,989
backlash to AOC she doesn't care what we

1664
01:09:43,119 --> 01:09:50,319
think it doesn't matter what we think

1665
01:09:46,989 --> 01:09:51,880
has she captured your generation

1666
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:52,619
purchase like I don't care what you

1667
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:56,310
think did I

1668
01:09:52,619 --> 01:09:59,940
white bulb I was talking I was talking

1669
01:09:56,310 --> 01:10:04,590
to some people her age and they said to

1670
01:09:59,940 --> 01:10:08,310
me you do realize that our retirement

1671
01:10:04,590 --> 01:10:10,830
plan is Marxism I went huh

1672
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:14,099
we don't expect Social Security be there

1673
01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:18,330
our retirement plan is Marxism assuming

1674
01:10:14,099 --> 01:10:21,300
the planet is still there that's what

1675
01:10:18,330 --> 01:10:24,330
American citizens under the age of 30

1676
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:27,150
think the planet is probably not going

1677
01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:30,330
to be there in 40 years and if it is

1678
01:10:27,150 --> 01:10:33,570
there we won't have any Social Security

1679
01:10:30,330 --> 01:10:35,610
so in terms of your complaining about

1680
01:10:33,570 --> 01:10:38,159
ageism who cares

1681
01:10:35,610 --> 01:10:41,250
poor as she used to say to Joe Lieberman

1682
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:44,880
who dis friends my age are going why

1683
01:10:41,250 --> 01:10:48,560
don't you people respect us well take a

1684
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,560
look because you destroyed our planet

1685
01:10:49,639 --> 01:10:55,920
I'm not under 30 by any means I'm 33 but

1686
01:10:53,489 --> 01:10:57,540
I still 10 years out of college have

1687
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:00,540
tons of student loans that I'm still

1688
01:10:57,540 --> 01:11:03,270
paying off and you know I make enough to

1689
01:11:00,540 --> 01:11:05,760
survive in DC which is a super expensive

1690
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:08,190
city but you know I don't there was that

1691
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,380
thing that came out a couple weeks ago

1692
01:11:08,190 --> 01:11:12,090
from someone it's like CNN BC about how

1693
01:11:10,380 --> 01:11:14,010
much millenials should have in savings

1694
01:11:12,090 --> 01:11:15,929
and all those guys I don't I don't have

1695
01:11:14,010 --> 01:11:18,179
that actually from the way that I heard

1696
01:11:15,929 --> 01:11:20,340
a lot of my peers talking about it I'm

1697
01:11:18,179 --> 01:11:22,050
doing better than some of them and I

1698
01:11:20,340 --> 01:11:23,820
don't make a lot and I don't put away a

1699
01:11:22,050 --> 01:11:25,560
lot but I was still in better shape than

1700
01:11:23,820 --> 01:11:27,239
some some folks who still you know live

1701
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,409
week to week let alone the hundred

1702
01:11:27,239 --> 01:11:29,969
thousand people who aren't getting in

1703
01:11:28,409 --> 01:11:33,270
their paychecks at all because of the

1704
01:11:29,969 --> 01:11:34,889
shutdown so you know where it's it's

1705
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:37,580
easy to imagine that the next generation

1706
01:11:34,889 --> 01:11:40,440
has easier but in so many ways

1707
01:11:37,580 --> 01:11:43,920
Millennials don't know thank you are set

1708
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:46,080
up for failure so you know if you are

1709
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:49,440
bothered by something that a OC is same

1710
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:51,300
try listening and yeah what the context

1711
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:53,580
is that's informing you know what what

1712
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:56,639
she has to put out there the baby boom

1713
01:11:53,580 --> 01:12:00,349
echo there was the baby boom a part of

1714
01:11:56,639 --> 01:12:04,650
the echo we are the worst generation

1715
01:12:00,349 --> 01:12:06,970
ever we strip mined the generation that

1716
01:12:04,650 --> 01:12:11,350
came after put them into debt

1717
01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:16,240
didn't care worst generation ever okay

1718
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:18,610
New York State blue they control all

1719
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,980
three branches of government now I don't

1720
01:12:18,610 --> 01:12:23,170
know about the Supreme Court but they

1721
01:12:19,980 --> 01:12:26,320
they control the State House Cuomo and

1722
01:12:23,170 --> 01:12:27,970
the Senate and the assembly when it

1723
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,500
comes to LGBTQ issues

1724
01:12:27,970 --> 01:12:31,690
I always thought New York was like

1725
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:34,480
California they legalized same-sex

1726
01:12:31,690 --> 01:12:37,060
marriage before the Supreme Court did

1727
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:39,070
right they did they did but what's been

1728
01:12:37,060 --> 01:12:41,170
a struggle is there's been this group

1729
01:12:39,070 --> 01:12:44,020
known as the independent democratic

1730
01:12:41,170 --> 01:12:44,530
caucus in the Senate in New York who

1731
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:46,660
that

1732
01:12:44,530 --> 01:12:49,420
technically were Democrats so you would

1733
01:12:46,660 --> 01:12:51,820
think that the Democrats would have

1734
01:12:49,420 --> 01:12:54,340
control but for many years those that

1735
01:12:51,820 --> 01:12:56,560
group caucus with the Republicans and so

1736
01:12:54,340 --> 01:12:58,270
it created this gridlock in the Senate

1737
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:01,030
that prevented so many different things

1738
01:12:58,270 --> 01:13:03,010
from going forward and now things to

1739
01:13:01,030 --> 01:13:04,780
actually flashers primary elections back

1740
01:13:03,010 --> 01:13:06,910
in the eighteen September we had a whole

1741
01:13:04,780 --> 01:13:09,810
bunch of progresses that toppled these

1742
01:13:06,910 --> 01:13:12,730
incumbents in this Democratic caucus and

1743
01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:15,220
now the Senate can actually be run by

1744
01:13:12,730 --> 01:13:17,530
the Democrats as opposed to the

1745
01:13:15,220 --> 01:13:19,660
Republicans who weren't actually the

1746
01:13:17,530 --> 01:13:21,160
majority before and so as a result were

1747
01:13:19,660 --> 01:13:23,800
quickly seeing a whole bunch of things

1748
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:26,800
that have sat there and languished for

1749
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:28,390
over a decade and one of them is basic

1750
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:32,560
non-discrimination protections for

1751
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:34,000
transgender people you know the New York

1752
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:37,060
State Legislature passed sexual

1753
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:39,220
orientation protections a long time ago

1754
01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:43,060
and it's been introducing trans

1755
01:13:39,220 --> 01:13:46,390
protections since 2003 but despite the

1756
01:13:43,060 --> 01:13:48,970
fact that it passes every other year in

1757
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:52,840
the house it never could pass in the

1758
01:13:48,970 --> 01:13:54,670
Senate so you know it's been a long time

1759
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,880
coming and while they were at it they

1760
01:13:54,670 --> 01:14:00,910
also became I think 15 states to pass a

1761
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:05,980
ban on conversion therapy for kids yeah

1762
01:14:00,910 --> 01:14:07,510
so another great move forward to protect

1763
01:14:05,980 --> 01:14:11,890
LGBTQ people that should have come a

1764
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:15,940
long long time ago but now that this

1765
01:14:11,890 --> 01:14:18,580
group was finally toppled they can they

1766
01:14:15,940 --> 01:14:20,829
can finally move forward yeah and Mike

1767
01:14:18,580 --> 01:14:24,670
Pence our vice president

1768
01:14:20,829 --> 01:14:29,260
his wife Karen teaches at a school that

1769
01:14:24,670 --> 01:14:31,000
doesn't allow LGBTQ students or parents

1770
01:14:29,260 --> 01:14:32,889
to be part of that school or doesn't

1771
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,460
approve of them that's correct that's

1772
01:14:32,889 --> 01:14:35,380
correct

1773
01:14:33,460 --> 01:14:37,809
and you know it's another opportunity

1774
01:14:35,380 --> 01:14:39,369
that Mike Pence use to try to claim oh

1775
01:14:37,809 --> 01:14:41,500
they're attacking our religion and it's

1776
01:14:39,369 --> 01:14:43,210
like yeah we are attacking your religion

1777
01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:46,179
because your religion is promoting some

1778
01:14:43,210 --> 01:14:49,119
really terrible stuff and your

1779
01:14:46,179 --> 01:14:51,190
acquiescence to that is problematic and

1780
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:55,420
the inclusive society that we're trying

1781
01:14:51,190 --> 01:14:58,900
to build so you know he denies being for

1782
01:14:55,420 --> 01:15:01,090
gay conversion therapy he denies he

1783
01:14:58,900 --> 01:15:02,800
still he still denies it but there's all

1784
01:15:01,090 --> 01:15:04,929
of his evidence to show that he supports

1785
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:07,239
it so I'm still not convinced and he

1786
01:15:04,929 --> 01:15:09,460
certainly hasn't been jumping to to

1787
01:15:07,239 --> 01:15:12,150
favor these bans on the treatment so you

1788
01:15:09,460 --> 01:15:17,050
know take it with a grain of salt the

1789
01:15:12,150 --> 01:15:19,059
LGBTQ community the Muslims the the Jews

1790
01:15:17,050 --> 01:15:21,489
the african-americans they were the

1791
01:15:19,059 --> 01:15:24,790
Canaries in the coal mine talk to me

1792
01:15:21,489 --> 01:15:28,150
about foster care and the persecution

1793
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:30,550
against the LGBTQ community because

1794
01:15:28,150 --> 01:15:34,420
we've discovered that it just doesn't

1795
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:36,820
stop with persecuting the LGBTQ

1796
01:15:34,420 --> 01:15:38,920
community when you cling to religious

1797
01:15:36,820 --> 01:15:41,409
freedom you use that as a cudgel to go

1798
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,940
after Jews and sure so we've talked

1799
01:15:41,409 --> 01:15:44,829
about this issue a lot with adoption and

1800
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:47,559
foster care placement and and the

1801
01:15:44,829 --> 01:15:49,780
attempt by Republicans in many states to

1802
01:15:47,559 --> 01:15:51,309
pass laws giving a license to

1803
01:15:49,780 --> 01:15:53,710
discriminate to these agencies to say

1804
01:15:51,309 --> 01:15:55,630
hey we're licensing you were funding you

1805
01:15:53,710 --> 01:15:58,090
with state funds but go ahead go ahead

1806
01:15:55,630 --> 01:16:01,420
and discriminate and this case came up

1807
01:15:58,090 --> 01:16:02,320
in South Carolina with a agency called

1808
01:16:01,420 --> 01:16:05,559
miracle Hill

1809
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:09,190
it's a foster care agency and a Jewish

1810
01:16:05,559 --> 01:16:11,380
woman went to get trained and and get

1811
01:16:09,190 --> 01:16:13,809
license to be a foster parent she was

1812
01:16:11,380 --> 01:16:15,460
trained by somebody at miracle Hill but

1813
01:16:13,809 --> 01:16:17,619
then she wasn't extended an invitation

1814
01:16:15,460 --> 01:16:19,989
to be a foster parent through the agency

1815
01:16:17,619 --> 01:16:22,690
just because she's Jewish miracle Hill

1816
01:16:19,989 --> 01:16:24,670
only employees and works with families

1817
01:16:22,690 --> 01:16:27,099
who share their same Protestant

1818
01:16:24,670 --> 01:16:30,010
Christian beliefs and so she filed a

1819
01:16:27,099 --> 01:16:31,329
complaint and the Department of Social

1820
01:16:30,010 --> 01:16:32,679
Services there in South Carolina

1821
01:16:31,329 --> 01:16:34,099
actually agreed with her and said you

1822
01:16:32,679 --> 01:16:36,020
know we're

1823
01:16:34,099 --> 01:16:38,270
we're gonna revoke your license if you

1824
01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:39,739
don't actually you know support the

1825
01:16:38,270 --> 01:16:44,780
families that you're supposed to support

1826
01:16:39,739 --> 01:16:47,540
but the governor Henry McMaster and a

1827
01:16:44,780 --> 01:16:50,239
bunch of other conservatives came to the

1828
01:16:47,540 --> 01:16:52,310
agency's defense and went to the federal

1829
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:54,800
government and said hey this rule that

1830
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:56,420
Obama put in place you know protecting

1831
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,710
against this kind of discrimination is

1832
01:16:56,420 --> 01:17:00,230
an issue for us

1833
01:16:57,710 --> 01:17:02,719
and just this week Health and Human

1834
01:17:00,230 --> 01:17:05,449
Services granted a waiver and they said

1835
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:07,130
hey miracle Hill you can discriminate

1836
01:17:05,449 --> 01:17:09,800
all you want according to your religious

1837
01:17:07,130 --> 01:17:11,960
beliefs and so you know as you said it

1838
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,400
there are all these different Canaries

1839
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,170
in this case it was actually religious

1840
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,639
discrimination against this Jewish

1841
01:17:15,170 --> 01:17:18,829
family that happened first

1842
01:17:16,639 --> 01:17:21,320
but the agency also refuses to serve

1843
01:17:18,829 --> 01:17:23,030
same-sex couples because they believe

1844
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:25,280
that marriage is only supposed to be

1845
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:29,239
between a man and a woman right and

1846
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:32,270
finally the Supreme Court is turning

1847
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:35,900
into the the court we feared when it

1848
01:17:32,270 --> 01:17:40,250
comes to the travel ban they've upheld

1849
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:43,340
Donald Trump's travel ban and he wants

1850
01:17:40,250 --> 01:17:45,079
to keep the transgender community out of

1851
01:17:43,340 --> 01:17:46,159
the military he doesn't think they're

1852
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:50,300
fit for service

1853
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:54,170
I guess they get bone spurs - is that

1854
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:55,849
how we thinks well in this case you know

1855
01:17:54,170 --> 01:17:58,630
as we've discussed before the

1856
01:17:55,849 --> 01:18:01,670
administration is arguing that somehow

1857
01:17:58,630 --> 01:18:04,429
transgender people are ruining unit

1858
01:18:01,670 --> 01:18:06,230
cohesion or costing the government lots

1859
01:18:04,429 --> 01:18:07,699
of money for their basic health care

1860
01:18:06,230 --> 01:18:11,060
needs even though it's not nearly as

1861
01:18:07,699 --> 01:18:13,429
expensive as what the military and

1862
01:18:11,060 --> 01:18:17,060
veterans administration spent on viagra

1863
01:18:13,429 --> 01:18:19,460
so in this case what the Supreme Court

1864
01:18:17,060 --> 01:18:22,730
did this week is somewhat narrow in that

1865
01:18:19,460 --> 01:18:25,639
they stayed the injunctions that some of

1866
01:18:22,730 --> 01:18:27,920
the lower courts have put in place but

1867
01:18:25,639 --> 01:18:30,980
they didn't rule on the merits so and

1868
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:33,020
you know it's hard to draw too big a

1869
01:18:30,980 --> 01:18:35,780
conclusion about exactly how they feel

1870
01:18:33,020 --> 01:18:38,239
about the issue but as they did in the

1871
01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:40,610
Muslim ban cases this was about

1872
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:44,059
deferring to the president when it comes

1873
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:45,590
to military decisions so you know we're

1874
01:18:44,059 --> 01:18:47,600
gonna still wait and see of these cases

1875
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you know there are four different case

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01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:52,790
is challenging the military ban in four

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01:18:50,030 --> 01:18:55,910
different jurisdictions and so other

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01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:58,400
courts might still introduce injunctions

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01:18:55,910 --> 01:19:00,110
and these cases will still work their

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01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,390
way up to the Supreme Court for an

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01:19:00,110 --> 01:19:05,210
actual consideration on the merits so

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01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:06,290
we're not out of the woods yet or you

1883
01:19:05,210 --> 01:19:08,540
know the fights not over yet I should

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01:19:06,290 --> 01:19:10,640
say but in the meantime it's very

1885
01:19:08,540 --> 01:19:12,710
dispiriting news for for transgender

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01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,810
military people who are currently

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01:19:12,710 --> 01:19:16,430
serving people who are working their way

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01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:18,770
through the academies hoping to build

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01:19:16,430 --> 01:19:19,970
their careers in the armed services with

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you know the knowledge that they might

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01:19:19,970 --> 01:19:25,340
not be able to actually enlist and of

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01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:27,230
course for veterans who who are you know

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01:19:25,340 --> 01:19:29,900
gravely and felted by the claim that you

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01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:33,920
know their service was somehow inferior

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01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:35,570
or not welcomed and and they have to

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01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,520
live with that and live with you know

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01:19:35,570 --> 01:19:39,530
the knowledge that the country isn't

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01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:41,240
grateful for their service I think

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01:19:39,530 --> 01:19:45,230
that's the clear message of it all yeah

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a year from now the Iowa caucuses New

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01:19:45,230 --> 01:19:48,680
Hampshire it starts what do you think

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01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:50,750
this country's gonna look like a year

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01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,880
from now do you think the government

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01:19:50,750 --> 01:19:55,460
will reopen I've been saying and

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01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:57,620
everybody insists on the insane and

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01:19:55,460 --> 01:19:59,240
they're right for saying that but I

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01:19:57,620 --> 01:20:03,020
haven't saying this government's gonna

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01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:04,880
stay shut down to the fortune of nurture

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01:20:03,020 --> 01:20:08,450
the administration is certainly looking

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at you know just how long it might be

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01:20:08,450 --> 01:20:12,890
you know that what will be will look

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01:20:10,190 --> 01:20:15,200
like in March so you know it's it's not

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01:20:12,890 --> 01:20:16,610
going to be short by any means and

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01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,730
certainly as long as these continuing

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01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:20,660
demands 5.7 billions of our wall that

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01:20:19,730 --> 01:20:23,600
won't work

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yeah and as long as the Democrats are

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01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:29,860
resolute that they're not going to cave

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01:20:26,140 --> 01:20:32,540
you know to this this hostage ransom

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01:20:29,860 --> 01:20:35,180
that and we're gonna you know continue

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01:20:32,540 --> 01:20:36,950
to be stuck and so you know there are so

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01:20:35,180 --> 01:20:40,310
many factors that could change between

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01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:42,470
now and next year's caucuses we don't

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01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:43,940
know who all will be running and so you

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01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:45,590
know there's a lot of conversation to

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01:20:43,940 --> 01:20:46,760
play it out about that we don't know if

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01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:48,350
we'll still be shut down but we also

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01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,300
don't know what will come over the

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01:20:48,350 --> 01:20:53,120
Mugler investigation and well we have a

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01:20:50,300 --> 01:20:55,190
report by them you know will we know of

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01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:57,500
the fences that the Trump administration

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01:20:55,190 --> 01:21:00,170
has committed that maybe we've suspected

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01:20:57,500 --> 01:21:01,280
but did not previously have we know it's

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01:21:00,170 --> 01:21:05,930
the government station

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down can Mallory even work don't those

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01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:14,270
people need money it unclear I'm not a

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01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:16,760
smart guy which is why people should

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01:21:14,270 --> 01:21:20,240
listen to me but the Democrats need to

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01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:23,120
do is say if you want to know what the

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01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:25,640
plan is for this country but the

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01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,890
Republicans plan for this country it's

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01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:30,500
happening right now this is the

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01:21:27,890 --> 01:21:33,110
Republican platform to shut down the

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01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:35,390
federal government to dismantle the

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01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:37,880
administrative state that's what Steve

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01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:39,950
Bannon has spoken about I think when

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01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:42,230
Donald Trump gets on the phone with

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01:21:39,950 --> 01:21:45,170
people who are encouraging him I think

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01:21:42,230 --> 01:21:47,690
he still talks to Steve ban and shut it

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01:21:45,170 --> 01:21:51,320
down keep it down this is exactly why

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01:21:47,690 --> 01:21:53,480
you were sent to Washington shut down

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01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:56,690
the federal government and keep it shut

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01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:59,300
down and I don't think it's Putin that's

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01:21:56,690 --> 01:22:01,370
a piece of this problem I think Putin of

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01:21:59,300 --> 01:22:06,170
course wants the federal government

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01:22:01,370 --> 01:22:08,540
shutdown but when you talk to Grover

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01:22:06,170 --> 01:22:10,520
Norquist who says make the federal

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01:22:08,540 --> 01:22:14,140
government so small you can drown it in

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01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:17,420
a bathtub how can they not be delighted

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01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:19,910
that this federal government is getting

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01:22:17,420 --> 01:22:23,150
shut down because it's doing two things

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01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:25,640
for the Democrats it proves exactly who

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01:22:23,150 --> 01:22:28,430
the Republicans are and the Republicans

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01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:31,940
right now the hard core fiscal

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01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:34,760
conservatives are saying look 800,000

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01:22:31,940 --> 01:22:38,720
federal employees are out of work no

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01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:40,460
plane crashes it's fine we don't need

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01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:44,630
the federal government this plays right

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01:22:40,460 --> 01:22:46,850
into their ideology I don't think it's

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01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:48,440
really happening don't I don't disagree

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01:22:46,850 --> 01:22:50,090
with you but I think it will be harder

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01:22:48,440 --> 01:22:52,250
and harder for them to make that case

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01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:54,170
you know if we start having deaths

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01:22:52,250 --> 01:22:56,360
because of some sort of tainted food

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01:22:54,170 --> 01:22:58,430
outbreak because inspectors weren't able

1976
01:22:56,360 --> 01:23:01,760
to do their job it will be an issue if

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01:22:58,430 --> 01:23:03,260
we have any sort of safety issue on a on

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01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,450
a flight I'm actually getting on a plane

1979
01:23:03,260 --> 01:23:07,340
later today and I'm sort of curious to

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01:23:05,450 --> 01:23:10,130
see what going through security will

1981
01:23:07,340 --> 01:23:12,590
look like in the situation you know it

1982
01:23:10,130 --> 01:23:15,190
there will be in a very quick backlash

1983
01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:18,160
and so you know we've been lucky

1984
01:23:15,190 --> 01:23:20,740
that the consequences have been

1985
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:22,750
manageable but as these employees go

1986
01:23:20,740 --> 01:23:24,880
longer without a paycheck and all of

1987
01:23:22,750 --> 01:23:28,600
these services that we normally don't

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01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:31,540
notice are protecting us start

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01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,980
protecting us less I think I think it's

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01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:35,260
going to be harder for them to make a

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01:23:32,980 --> 01:23:37,780
case that yeah keeping the government

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01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:39,940
small is is a good thing yeah because

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01:23:37,780 --> 01:23:41,380
you know it's easy to forget about all

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01:23:39,940 --> 01:23:43,660
of the things the government's doing

1995
01:23:41,380 --> 01:23:46,330
that we think of as just bureaucracy but

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01:23:43,660 --> 01:23:49,030
they are protecting us on a daily basis

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01:23:46,330 --> 01:23:51,370
and it's gonna catch up with them with

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01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:53,530
each day that this government station

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01:23:51,370 --> 01:23:57,520
shut down yeah I think their forces in

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01:23:53,530 --> 01:24:00,490
this country the Milton Friedman Chicago

2001
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:02,790
School of Economics who says create an

2002
01:24:00,490 --> 01:24:06,730
artificial shock to the system create a

2003
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:10,420
artificial crisis and use it as an

2004
01:24:06,730 --> 01:24:13,240
opportunity to shake out the 800,000

2005
01:24:10,420 --> 01:24:14,380
employees go a couple of months find out

2006
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,690
what we really need

2007
01:24:14,380 --> 01:24:20,620
I think they embrace this as an

2008
01:24:16,690 --> 01:24:23,170
opportunity to find out what the federal

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01:24:20,620 --> 01:24:25,960
government really does and doesn't do we

2010
01:24:23,170 --> 01:24:28,090
can't audit it can't audit it so let's

2011
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:30,910
just shut it down and see what we really

2012
01:24:28,090 --> 01:24:32,230
need that's what they're thinking that's

2013
01:24:30,910 --> 01:24:34,630
what they're thinking they're thinking

2014
01:24:32,230 --> 01:24:36,700
this is a good thing you're onto

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01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:39,040
something there but it's not gonna work

2016
01:24:36,700 --> 01:24:40,960
out in their favor in the end I think if

2017
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:43,450
you fly on private jets and you're

2018
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:45,630
immune to the consequences it's an

2019
01:24:43,450 --> 01:24:48,640
intellectual exercise or an ideological

2020
01:24:45,630 --> 01:24:52,570
exercise if a couple people have to die

2021
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:56,830
for us to drain the swamp it's worth it

2022
01:24:52,570 --> 01:25:01,750
I mean I hope so you know we just saw

2023
01:24:56,830 --> 01:25:04,420
this morning that Trump's Commerce chief

2024
01:25:01,750 --> 01:25:06,070
doesn't understand why it's a big deal

2025
01:25:04,420 --> 01:25:08,740
if you don't get your paycheck

2026
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:10,450
will be less Wilbur Ross yeah and and

2027
01:25:08,740 --> 01:25:14,050
doesn't think that this is going to be

2028
01:25:10,450 --> 01:25:16,810
you know a big deal for the economy or

2029
01:25:14,050 --> 01:25:19,570
for our well-being and it's just you

2030
01:25:16,810 --> 01:25:21,880
have to live in such a narrow bubble I

2031
01:25:19,570 --> 01:25:24,700
mean this guy's worth 700 million

2032
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:27,570
dollars what does he know about families

2033
01:25:24,700 --> 01:25:31,530
who lives paycheck to paycheck nothing

2034
01:25:27,570 --> 01:25:34,110
and you know hopefully the fact that

2035
01:25:31,530 --> 01:25:37,320
we're democracy worked out in the end

2036
01:25:34,110 --> 01:25:39,450
and enough people say hey this is not

2037
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:41,489
good for our country and and does

2038
01:25:39,450 --> 01:25:44,610
something about it but in the meantime

2039
01:25:41,489 --> 01:25:46,440
we're just kind of keep you know wow

2040
01:25:44,610 --> 01:25:48,090
just word Armageddon yeah that's why I

2041
01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:49,920
got scared when Trump said he was gonna

2042
01:25:48,090 --> 01:25:51,330
go to the Capitol anyway and deliver

2043
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:56,040
that State of the Union because this is

2044
01:25:51,330 --> 01:25:59,489
where the Secret Service can be dragged

2045
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:03,410
gooned into his own little I hate to use

2046
01:25:59,489 --> 01:26:08,280
the term to stop oh but you know ice ice

2047
01:26:03,410 --> 01:26:10,530
couple of executive orders and Isis his

2048
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:12,590
own police force they already are well

2049
01:26:10,530 --> 01:26:15,570
anyway I'll give you the last word

2050
01:26:12,590 --> 01:26:16,350
everything that's terrible I said to you

2051
01:26:15,570 --> 01:26:19,170
at the beginning

2052
01:26:16,350 --> 01:26:20,820
let's open with creating change this big

2053
01:26:19,170 --> 01:26:23,940
conference in Detroit you're going to

2054
01:26:20,820 --> 01:26:28,440
let's be positive today well thank God

2055
01:26:23,940 --> 01:26:30,660
for Nancy Pelosi yeah I mean it you know

2056
01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:33,900
everything is is kind of getting worse

2057
01:26:30,660 --> 01:26:36,450
it feels like but we do have forces in

2058
01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:37,920
place to protect against it hopefully so

2059
01:26:36,450 --> 01:26:40,170
you know I'm still trying to be

2060
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:42,330
optimistic about what 2019 ultimately

2061
01:26:40,170 --> 01:26:44,820
look like I think it's anonymous that

2062
01:26:42,330 --> 01:26:47,070
whoever wrote the piece in the New York

2063
01:26:44,820 --> 01:26:48,930
Times a couple of months ago who said

2064
01:26:47,070 --> 01:26:51,120
there are forces within the White House

2065
01:26:48,930 --> 01:26:54,920
who are working against Donald Trump I

2066
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:58,560
think the only thing that kept him from

2067
01:26:54,920 --> 01:27:00,300
telling ice in the Secret Service we're

2068
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,070
going to the Capitol to deliver that

2069
01:27:00,300 --> 01:27:04,620
State of the Union whether or not Nancy

2070
01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:06,330
Pelosi likes it I think the only thing

2071
01:27:04,620 --> 01:27:10,680
that's keeping him from doing something

2072
01:27:06,330 --> 01:27:13,890
like that is a cabal of resistance

2073
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:15,330
within the Oval Office something are

2074
01:27:13,890 --> 01:27:17,520
more optimistic than I am because I

2075
01:27:15,330 --> 01:27:20,250
figure he was just not looking forward

2076
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:22,320
to the embarrassment of not being let in

2077
01:27:20,250 --> 01:27:26,520
and thought it would make him look weak

2078
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:28,260
so he decided to cave you know like it's

2079
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,480
a wonderful theory it's a wonderful

2080
01:27:28,260 --> 01:27:32,700
theory to think of that there's all this

2081
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:35,969
other stuff going on to try to restrain

2082
01:27:32,700 --> 01:27:38,580
him but I there's less and less we know

2083
01:27:35,969 --> 01:27:40,200
from the changes in his cabinet and and

2084
01:27:38,580 --> 01:27:41,130
you know changes to his chief of staff

2085
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,980
and things that

2086
01:27:41,130 --> 01:27:46,260
come along the way that there's less and

2087
01:27:43,980 --> 01:27:47,730
less holding them back so I think in

2088
01:27:46,260 --> 01:27:49,530
this case he was just I think he just

2089
01:27:47,730 --> 01:27:53,849
lost and he'd realized there was no good

2090
01:27:49,530 --> 01:27:56,639
way good way to try to make that happen

2091
01:27:53,849 --> 01:27:59,929
Mitch McConnell who's just you know that

2092
01:27:56,639 --> 01:28:02,520
we hate him but I like to think that

2093
01:27:59,929 --> 01:28:06,420
Trump got on the phone with McConnell

2094
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:09,690
and McConnell said mr. president there

2095
01:28:06,420 --> 01:28:12,630
are forces the legislative branch have

2096
01:28:09,690 --> 01:28:16,380
that are beyond your imagination and I

2097
01:28:12,630 --> 01:28:20,060
would advise you to stand down I think

2098
01:28:16,380 --> 01:28:22,560
McConnell this is my fantasy that

2099
01:28:20,060 --> 01:28:25,829
McConnell in his own way

2100
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:29,369
is saving us from complete breakdown

2101
01:28:25,829 --> 01:28:31,860
Trump taking dictatorial powers I don't

2102
01:28:29,369 --> 01:28:34,260
know I don't know I guess I just try not

2103
01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:35,909
to spend too much time going down all of

2104
01:28:34,260 --> 01:28:38,250
those hypothetical roads in my head

2105
01:28:35,909 --> 01:28:40,230
because what is actually happening to

2106
01:28:38,250 --> 01:28:42,510
the president is distressing enough to

2107
01:28:40,230 --> 01:28:44,040
figure out how to respond to that I I

2108
01:28:42,510 --> 01:28:47,369
don't want to cross any of those bridges

2109
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:49,050
until we get yeah Zach Ford is the LGBTQ

2110
01:28:47,369 --> 01:28:51,570
editor for Think Progress think

2111
01:28:49,050 --> 01:28:54,119
progress.org read them every day over

2112
01:28:51,570 --> 01:28:54,630
two thinkprogress.org good to have you

2113
01:28:54,119 --> 01:28:56,880
back sir

2114
01:28:54,630 --> 01:28:58,560
can you stand line for one second glad

2115
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:01,349
to be here thanks David you're listening

2116
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:03,140
to the david feldman radio program you

2117
01:29:01,349 --> 01:29:24,380
said but feta comp

2118
01:29:03,140 --> 01:29:27,929
[Music]

2119
01:29:24,380 --> 01:29:30,449
Dave Cyrus joins us hello sir

2120
01:29:27,929 --> 01:29:32,550
hey you doing David so you travel all

2121
01:29:30,449 --> 01:29:36,840
around the world you've been on flights

2122
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:39,479
with people I yes I have I was recently

2123
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:42,479
on a very nice flight on American

2124
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:44,249
Airlines actually and uh actually be

2125
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:46,199
gone back to elevate very suit going to

2126
01:29:44,249 --> 01:29:50,699
Sundance then to LA you going to

2127
01:29:46,199 --> 01:29:53,849
Sundance yes I have no actual reason to

2128
01:29:50,699 --> 01:29:57,479
be there mother must be if you're going

2129
01:29:53,849 --> 01:30:00,059
no I I have no legitimate reason to be

2130
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,349
there other than I'm just going with

2131
01:30:00,059 --> 01:30:03,239
people who actually of real reasons to

2132
01:30:01,349 --> 01:30:05,070
go oh and we'll be doing comedy and I

2133
01:30:03,239 --> 01:30:08,399
guess the wise guys in Salt Lake City

2134
01:30:05,070 --> 01:30:12,689
over there on Sunday well you get to see

2135
01:30:08,399 --> 01:30:15,689
some movies oh god I sit and watch

2136
01:30:12,689 --> 01:30:17,639
movies there right man this is gonna be

2137
01:30:15,689 --> 01:30:19,919
more work than I thought when you fly

2138
01:30:17,639 --> 01:30:24,929
uh-huh mm-hmm do you ever sit next to

2139
01:30:19,919 --> 01:30:26,760
somebody who kind of stinks you know it

2140
01:30:24,929 --> 01:30:29,699
does happen sometimes I don't remember

2141
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:33,719
the last time I actually sat next to

2142
01:30:29,699 --> 01:30:35,999
someone but like a lot of people in the

2143
01:30:33,719 --> 01:30:38,489
world seem to smell bad and not care yes

2144
01:30:35,999 --> 01:30:42,570
I get but like a plane is the worst but

2145
01:30:38,489 --> 01:30:44,130
I do think it's like an offensive act to

2146
01:30:42,570 --> 01:30:48,570
get on a flight when you know you

2147
01:30:44,130 --> 01:30:51,209
haven't showered in a long time yes and

2148
01:30:48,570 --> 01:30:52,380
yeah I I don't like that I mean I'm

2149
01:30:51,209 --> 01:30:54,149
here's like I'm a little bit sensitive

2150
01:30:52,380 --> 01:30:56,550
to body odor myself I get mad at people

2151
01:30:54,149 --> 01:31:00,360
who smell bad at the gym and that's the

2152
01:30:56,550 --> 01:31:01,800
gym right we're like you you're expected

2153
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,630
to but at the same time and I'm being

2154
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,800
honest it's about this I know the

2155
01:31:03,630 --> 01:31:05,849
difference between someone's knowing

2156
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,530
that way because they're working out

2157
01:31:05,849 --> 01:31:09,090
hard and because they're working out

2158
01:31:07,530 --> 01:31:10,199
hard and did not shower that day and

2159
01:31:09,090 --> 01:31:12,300
they need to get the hell out of that

2160
01:31:10,199 --> 01:31:16,199
gym yeah I mean when I work at I don't

2161
01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:18,929
smell bad because I showered either the

2162
01:31:16,199 --> 01:31:20,969
night before or that morning I mean the

2163
01:31:18,929 --> 01:31:24,119
only thing that's gonna stink is my

2164
01:31:20,969 --> 01:31:26,459
armpits and I have leftover deodorant

2165
01:31:24,119 --> 01:31:28,289
but still there I never smell when I

2166
01:31:26,459 --> 01:31:30,300
work out I mean you put on deodorant

2167
01:31:28,289 --> 01:31:32,639
before you go to the gym right no I just

2168
01:31:30,300 --> 01:31:36,510
wear deodorant so how bad am I gonna

2169
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:37,290
smell and I don't eat meat I stay away

2170
01:31:36,510 --> 01:31:39,480
from garlic

2171
01:31:37,290 --> 01:31:40,530
onions how bad am I gonna smell right

2172
01:31:39,480 --> 01:31:42,240
now it sounds like you might smell

2173
01:31:40,530 --> 01:31:43,680
pretty bad actually if you think that

2174
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,540
all it takes is having showered the day

2175
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:47,670
before not wearing deodorant and not

2176
01:31:45,540 --> 01:31:49,770
wearing meat you might be one of these

2177
01:31:47,670 --> 01:31:52,110
people David not me but I probably don't

2178
01:31:49,770 --> 01:31:53,850
I don't think you are because I have

2179
01:31:52,110 --> 01:31:55,260
been around you and you you've never

2180
01:31:53,850 --> 01:31:57,990
smelled nearly as much as one might

2181
01:31:55,260 --> 01:31:59,640
assume you do from seeing you so I don't

2182
01:31:57,990 --> 01:32:02,580
think that's an issue I'm talking about

2183
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:04,410
I absolutely run into pee I mean here's

2184
01:32:02,580 --> 01:32:08,040
the thing I go to a gym in Midwood

2185
01:32:04,410 --> 01:32:11,280
Brooklyn and it's not the best gym to go

2186
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:14,160
to I have many times seen guys playing

2187
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:17,010
house music on their phones at full

2188
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:19,080
blast without headphones just using

2189
01:32:17,010 --> 01:32:22,590
weights blasting music which is

2190
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:25,800
psychotic recently I saw a 60 year old

2191
01:32:22,590 --> 01:32:27,630
man wearing a leather jacket doing curls

2192
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,510
while telling everyone else what they

2193
01:32:27,630 --> 01:32:32,040
should be doing with their workouts

2194
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:35,550
before we get to the story that you sent

2195
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:38,370
me which I found very satisfying yeah I

2196
01:32:35,550 --> 01:32:42,300
want people to know that if you really

2197
01:32:38,370 --> 01:32:45,480
want to serve humanity when you board a

2198
01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:50,190
plane and walk through first class to

2199
01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:52,590
get to coach you should fart okay if you

2200
01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:56,430
listen to this show and you enjoy it you

2201
01:32:52,590 --> 01:33:01,650
can thank me by farting in first class

2202
01:32:56,430 --> 01:33:03,510
on your way to coach I of course had the

2203
01:33:01,650 --> 01:33:07,260
fortune of traveling first class

2204
01:33:03,510 --> 01:33:09,360
recently and honestly hey

2205
01:33:07,260 --> 01:33:12,720
go ahead peasants see if it ruins my

2206
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:15,500
time I don't pay for it of course I

2207
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:18,150
never would never why are you breaking

2208
01:33:15,500 --> 01:33:20,310
what's what's what's going on why am I

2209
01:33:18,150 --> 01:33:22,440
not getting a good signal here I hear

2210
01:33:20,310 --> 01:33:24,180
everything from you David you're

2211
01:33:22,440 --> 01:33:27,360
breaking bottles you're breaking up a

2212
01:33:24,180 --> 01:33:29,580
little hold on hold on well I don't know

2213
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:31,050
what to tell you I'm sorry so what

2214
01:33:29,580 --> 01:33:33,890
happened there were some smelly people

2215
01:33:31,050 --> 01:33:37,170
on an American Airlines flight

2216
01:33:33,890 --> 01:33:40,890
apparently a flight from I guess Miami

2217
01:33:37,170 --> 01:33:43,440
to Detroit you know that's rough yeah

2218
01:33:40,890 --> 01:33:47,430
both places that I'd rather not have to

2219
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:50,639
be often a couple and their baby were

2220
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:54,300
asked to leave the flight because

2221
01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:56,639
passengers and no looks like when they

2222
01:33:54,300 --> 01:33:58,889
first got on the plane it was evident

2223
01:33:56,639 --> 01:34:01,170
now we talked about his case months ago

2224
01:33:58,889 --> 01:34:05,610
where a guy had ridiculous body odor

2225
01:34:01,170 --> 01:34:09,270
because he was sick yeah this however is

2226
01:34:05,610 --> 01:34:12,179
a couple two people a married couple who

2227
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:14,670
were both told you pee when it's a

2228
01:34:12,179 --> 01:34:18,360
couple that both smells bad that is 100%

2229
01:34:14,670 --> 01:34:21,960
lifestyle that is just you people have

2230
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:24,389
decided that you hate the outside world

2231
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:28,619
and want them to suffer now to be fair

2232
01:34:24,389 --> 01:34:30,420
the man claimed that he did not smell

2233
01:34:28,619 --> 01:34:32,760
bad but that he was being kicked off the

2234
01:34:30,420 --> 01:34:39,989
flight because he is Jewish

2235
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:41,489
because he's what Jewish well he said I

2236
01:34:39,989 --> 01:34:45,989
do not smell bad

2237
01:34:41,489 --> 01:34:48,350
this is anti-semitism you you saw me

2238
01:34:45,989 --> 01:34:51,000
wearing a yarmulke and all of you

2239
01:34:48,350 --> 01:34:53,340
silently agreed to pretend I smell bad

2240
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:55,650
and complain about it this is an

2241
01:34:53,340 --> 01:34:58,619
American Airlines American flight so you

2242
01:34:55,650 --> 01:35:00,239
know the idea that he would be the only

2243
01:34:58,619 --> 01:35:04,610
Jew on the flight is from Miami is

2244
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:06,560
especially impossible but it's really

2245
01:35:04,610 --> 01:35:09,300
amazing

2246
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:12,270
now when I say smell bad

2247
01:35:09,300 --> 01:35:14,489
buttered oh okay because I'm thinking of

2248
01:35:12,270 --> 01:35:17,850
a Jew with a big nose I would think he

2249
01:35:14,489 --> 01:35:19,500
would smell good they smell well they

2250
01:35:17,850 --> 01:35:22,199
smell Wow oh yeah that's where it is

2251
01:35:19,500 --> 01:35:24,659
well he smells well yeah yeah so this

2252
01:35:22,199 --> 01:35:26,219
company who I saw a picture of well the

2253
01:35:24,659 --> 01:35:29,219
photo that they posted he's wearing a

2254
01:35:26,219 --> 01:35:30,659
hat so I don't see if he's wearing a

2255
01:35:29,219 --> 01:35:32,159
yarmulke but I presume he was wearing

2256
01:35:30,659 --> 01:35:35,250
one because he's saying that they knew

2257
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:36,389
he was Jewish and I have to assume he

2258
01:35:35,250 --> 01:35:42,210
gave he gave it away somehow

2259
01:35:36,389 --> 01:35:43,889
but yeah the exact words where we don't

2260
01:35:42,210 --> 01:35:45,389
have out there because there's a

2261
01:35:43,889 --> 01:35:46,860
religious reason for some reason that

2262
01:35:45,389 --> 01:35:48,510
they're kicking me off the plane and he

2263
01:35:46,860 --> 01:35:50,639
said on his cell phone video we don't

2264
01:35:48,510 --> 01:35:52,500
have odor no one has oh and then the

2265
01:35:50,639 --> 01:35:54,600
crew member said oh are you saying that

2266
01:35:52,500 --> 01:35:57,389
it's for religious reasons that you

2267
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,989
don't shower and he goes no I shower

2268
01:35:57,389 --> 01:35:59,310
every day

2269
01:35:57,989 --> 01:36:01,800
I said you kick me off because of

2270
01:35:59,310 --> 01:36:04,080
religious reasons so look you and I are

2271
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:07,530
both Jews David there

2272
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:10,800
really nothing that the average Jewish

2273
01:36:07,530 --> 01:36:12,600
person dreads more than hearing another

2274
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:15,680
Jew the accused of something they did

2275
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:18,750
and then start screaming this is because

2276
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:20,750
I'm Jewish like I cannot invoke

2277
01:36:18,750 --> 01:36:24,510
anti-semitism because you refuse to babe

2278
01:36:20,750 --> 01:36:26,610
and the fact that the guy said which by

2279
01:36:24,510 --> 01:36:28,170
the way especially ironic that you know

2280
01:36:26,610 --> 01:36:31,680
anti-semitism has gotten so much better

2281
01:36:28,170 --> 01:36:35,070
in the world that now we're complaining

2282
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:38,070
that about showers that of this kind

2283
01:36:35,070 --> 01:36:39,510
that he's saying that that he's he's

2284
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:42,450
refusing to shower in a completely

2285
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:45,990
different way yeah I guess oh good for

2286
01:36:42,450 --> 01:36:49,050
him yeah yeah that came off incredibly

2287
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:51,510
not elegantly sorry I just for you I try

2288
01:36:49,050 --> 01:36:53,790
to include at least one holocaust joke I

2289
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:57,390
was there before you were I know I know

2290
01:36:53,790 --> 01:36:59,430
you're breaking I don't know to tell you

2291
01:36:57,390 --> 01:37:01,170
you're not you're not breaking up you're

2292
01:36:59,430 --> 01:37:03,870
the one you call me back it's okay let's

2293
01:37:01,170 --> 01:37:08,100
just keep going I'm so sorry that's okay

2294
01:37:03,870 --> 01:37:11,220
what will fix it alright so talk to me

2295
01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:14,370
about Covington that Catholic kids

2296
01:37:11,220 --> 01:37:15,960
what's amazing about this story is look

2297
01:37:14,370 --> 01:37:17,190
people anytime you see a story like this

2298
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,120
should look into it as much as they can

2299
01:37:17,190 --> 01:37:20,220
they should try to get as much

2300
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:22,200
information I was about as possible the

2301
01:37:20,220 --> 01:37:23,790
story started with just seen a what

2302
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:28,650
seemed like a very clear picture of a

2303
01:37:23,790 --> 01:37:31,230
smug smirking child in the face of an

2304
01:37:28,650 --> 01:37:34,500
elderly Native American why his

2305
01:37:31,230 --> 01:37:38,130
classmates screamed and twisted their

2306
01:37:34,500 --> 01:37:41,010
faces contorted themselves behind him

2307
01:37:38,130 --> 01:37:43,740
and then people said oh well it turns

2308
01:37:41,010 --> 01:37:46,470
out that black Israelite you're making

2309
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:47,400
fun of them first which yeah I'm sure

2310
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:50,280
they work you've ever met black

2311
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:52,260
Israelites the that's a not actual black

2312
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:55,230
misery I mean the term black Israelites

2313
01:37:52,260 --> 01:37:57,990
are this very small fringe group they're

2314
01:37:55,230 --> 01:37:59,070
a hate club extremely yeah they're hate

2315
01:37:57,990 --> 01:38:01,380
their crazy people

2316
01:37:59,070 --> 01:38:03,630
they're extremely antagonistic they

2317
01:38:01,380 --> 01:38:05,940
exist only to inflame people I mean they

2318
01:38:03,630 --> 01:38:07,770
were yelling at Indians to American

2319
01:38:05,940 --> 01:38:09,270
Indians too so obviously they're not

2320
01:38:07,770 --> 01:38:12,240
exactly they're not the locust group of

2321
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:15,210
people and you saw the covenant students

2322
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:17,520
get really riled up and that every right

2323
01:38:15,210 --> 01:38:18,030
to not like what these men were yelling

2324
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,950
at them

2325
01:38:18,030 --> 01:38:23,700
but the fact that the mother of the boy

2326
01:38:19,950 --> 01:38:25,760
in the video said this only happened

2327
01:38:23,700 --> 01:38:28,650
because black Muslims were harassing

2328
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:31,940
sounds really bad right but there were

2329
01:38:28,650 --> 01:38:35,310
Muslims so weird you added that to it

2330
01:38:31,940 --> 01:38:38,790
but the problem is noting the black

2331
01:38:35,310 --> 01:38:40,020
Israelites did explains the way that

2332
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:42,720
they were reacting to these American

2333
01:38:40,020 --> 01:38:44,580
Indians now the best case scenario the

2334
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:46,710
absolute best case is to believe them

2335
01:38:44,580 --> 01:38:48,750
when they said oh we were laughing and

2336
01:38:46,710 --> 01:38:52,590
screaming to the chance and doing

2337
01:38:48,750 --> 01:38:53,610
tomahawk chops and you know and you see

2338
01:38:52,590 --> 01:38:55,620
the faces of these kids they are

2339
01:38:53,610 --> 01:38:57,600
screaming you saw that kid behind them

2340
01:38:55,620 --> 01:39:00,000
in the famous picture the way his face

2341
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,470
is contorted they did we were that the

2342
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,870
best day scenario is that all of that

2343
01:39:01,470 --> 01:39:06,300
was just inadvertently disrespectful

2344
01:39:03,870 --> 01:39:08,220
while they were trying to be nice but I

2345
01:39:06,300 --> 01:39:11,190
don't really think that's what we saw I

2346
01:39:08,220 --> 01:39:14,700
think we saw a bunch of kids who are

2347
01:39:11,190 --> 01:39:16,410
very riled up looking for an outlet for

2348
01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:18,780
the energy that it had been developed

2349
01:39:16,410 --> 01:39:21,750
from being insulted by these random

2350
01:39:18,780 --> 01:39:24,990
black Israelites and they saw of this

2351
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:26,570
opportunity to I think stand up to what

2352
01:39:24,990 --> 01:39:29,550
they feel was the enemy in that moment

2353
01:39:26,570 --> 01:39:32,730
which was this sudden indigenous man

2354
01:39:29,550 --> 01:39:33,960
with a drum right and that's like I'm

2355
01:39:32,730 --> 01:39:36,000
not saying they threatened him I'm not

2356
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:38,940
saying that they did something that a

2357
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:41,490
person gets arrested for but the look on

2358
01:39:38,940 --> 01:39:42,600
this kid's face the fact that he didn't

2359
01:39:41,490 --> 01:39:44,940
seem to want to get out of this guy's

2360
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:46,260
way as he was walking toward him it

2361
01:39:44,940 --> 01:39:48,480
seemed like this kid and the way do they

2362
01:39:46,260 --> 01:39:51,150
react in to him was what a brave guy to

2363
01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:54,120
get in the face of this American Indian

2364
01:39:51,150 --> 01:39:56,220
that's what it seemed like and let's not

2365
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:58,470
forget these kids were walking around

2366
01:39:56,220 --> 01:39:59,640
with a bunch of Magha hats which not

2367
01:39:58,470 --> 01:40:01,680
every time somewhere is a mag a hat

2368
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,540
they're looking for trouble but when the

2369
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:06,390
proud boys do it they're a group of

2370
01:40:03,540 --> 01:40:08,430
people walking around saying I dare you

2371
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:10,860
to screw with me because I love Trump

2372
01:40:08,430 --> 01:40:13,200
and hate everyone that that implies I

2373
01:40:10,860 --> 01:40:15,470
think that it's very we shouldn't just

2374
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:19,980
discount the idea that a mag ahead is a

2375
01:40:15,470 --> 01:40:21,960
symbol of your or antagonism to your

2376
01:40:19,980 --> 01:40:24,480
environment right people wear it because

2377
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:26,760
they're saying I dare you screw with me

2378
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:29,270
I want aggravate I want in tagging to

2379
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:31,710
antagonize people I want to fight and we

2380
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:33,960
there's also video of those kids

2381
01:40:31,710 --> 01:40:35,940
screaming at women who are walking by

2382
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:39,600
them now you look at what they're doing

2383
01:40:35,940 --> 01:40:42,180
and use common sense and say yes these

2384
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:45,570
look like kids who knew how to not cross

2385
01:40:42,180 --> 01:40:47,910
a lot I know but they knew how to do the

2386
01:40:45,570 --> 01:40:49,160
I'm not touching you gate him also mhm

2387
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:52,130
and they seemed like they were just

2388
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:54,540
amused and making fun of this old

2389
01:40:52,130 --> 01:40:55,380
indigenous man but that's not the part

2390
01:40:54,540 --> 01:40:57,390
of the story that I find most

2391
01:40:55,380 --> 01:41:00,930
fascinating the part that I find

2392
01:40:57,390 --> 01:41:02,700
fascinating is I'm sure I'm wrong that

2393
01:41:00,930 --> 01:41:04,830
this seems new to me but he does seem

2394
01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:07,469
new to me it seemed like only since

2395
01:41:04,830 --> 01:41:10,620
Trump is it relevant that any time

2396
01:41:07,469 --> 01:41:12,750
someone seems disrespected particularly

2397
01:41:10,620 --> 01:41:14,880
by a right-wing person the next step is

2398
01:41:12,750 --> 01:41:17,190
to openly start doing opposition

2399
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:19,260
research on them and find out what they

2400
01:41:17,190 --> 01:41:23,000
could have done in their life to deserve

2401
01:41:19,260 --> 01:41:26,820
it so this guy referred to himself as a

2402
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:29,100
Vietnam Times veteran which you hear

2403
01:41:26,820 --> 01:41:31,890
those words it all already there's an

2404
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:36,180
alarm bell that goes off right he and

2405
01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:37,860
Vietnam times that which is yes a very

2406
01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:41,040
sneaky way of saying I served in the

2407
01:41:37,860 --> 01:41:42,989
military during Vietnam but not in

2408
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,310
Vietnam right we've certainly seen other

2409
01:41:42,989 --> 01:41:45,780
publishers a lot of politicians do that

2410
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:49,760
it's a it's a it's a sleazy thing to do

2411
01:41:45,780 --> 01:41:52,380
but that doesn't change why these kids

2412
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:53,610
did this it's exactly what happen with

2413
01:41:52,380 --> 01:41:55,770
ELISA Machado the Miss Universe

2414
01:41:53,610 --> 01:41:58,230
contestant to trump called Miss Piggy he

2415
01:41:55,770 --> 01:42:00,450
fat shamed her publicly he was extremely

2416
01:41:58,230 --> 01:42:04,770
disrespectful about her about her eyes

2417
01:42:00,450 --> 01:42:06,840
about her ethnicity and Trump said well

2418
01:42:04,770 --> 01:42:08,880
it's okay that I did that that because

2419
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:11,160
years later her boyfriend would be

2420
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,510
accused of attempted murder and she

2421
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:15,420
would even be suspected of helping him

2422
01:42:12,510 --> 01:42:18,230
get away from it and she was never

2423
01:42:15,420 --> 01:42:21,570
charged but that was his reaction

2424
01:42:18,230 --> 01:42:23,540
anything bad you do to someone is okay

2425
01:42:21,570 --> 01:42:26,310
if that person isn't Jesus Christ I

2426
01:42:23,540 --> 01:42:28,620
couldn't care less and I think the

2427
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:30,300
problem in this country is there was a

2428
01:42:28,620 --> 01:42:32,969
woman's March there was supposed to be a

2429
01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:35,130
woman's March but the blacks and the

2430
01:42:32,969 --> 01:42:38,130
Jews couldn't get along so they had to

2431
01:42:35,130 --> 01:42:40,190
have three separate marches because we

2432
01:42:38,130 --> 01:42:43,080
have to solve the Palestinian problem

2433
01:42:40,190 --> 01:42:45,140
before we can fight for abortion

2434
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:47,510
together it

2435
01:42:45,140 --> 01:42:49,580
it's just a childish that's a discipline

2436
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:51,440
there's no reason to not draw someone

2437
01:42:49,580 --> 01:42:54,340
from the woman's March if they don't

2438
01:42:51,440 --> 01:42:57,110
have the ability to comport themselves

2439
01:42:54,340 --> 01:42:58,790
properly and you're referring to one

2440
01:42:57,110 --> 01:43:00,410
person who was from the ones March who

2441
01:42:58,790 --> 01:43:03,740
and I've seen interviews she's not

2442
01:43:00,410 --> 01:43:05,540
qualified to be there so she you know

2443
01:43:03,740 --> 01:43:07,880
I'm blanking on her name but she was the

2444
01:43:05,540 --> 01:43:09,920
one who wouldn't even answer questions

2445
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,910
about whether or not Israel has a right

2446
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:11,980
to exist and it's like you know if

2447
01:43:10,910 --> 01:43:14,960
you're if your argument is

2448
01:43:11,980 --> 01:43:16,400
pro-palestinian that's fine I'm not I

2449
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,960
don't to put you in jail but you need

2450
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:20,170
you don't be a coward and just pretend

2451
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:22,040
you don't have an opinion and just GG

2452
01:43:20,170 --> 01:43:24,020
something talked to a through interviews

2453
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:25,850
she is not she does not have the

2454
01:43:24,020 --> 01:43:27,230
wherewithal for this job say yeah and

2455
01:43:25,850 --> 01:43:28,850
there's nothing wrong with saying hey if

2456
01:43:27,230 --> 01:43:31,250
you're anti-semitic or you're anti-black

2457
01:43:28,850 --> 01:43:33,260
or your anti whatever we don't want you

2458
01:43:31,250 --> 01:43:34,970
as part of this and they made a mistake

2459
01:43:33,260 --> 01:43:36,530
by not dropping her well but there you

2460
01:43:34,970 --> 01:43:38,900
know there's a problem between Blacks

2461
01:43:36,530 --> 01:43:41,360
and Jews Louis Farrakhan has been making

2462
01:43:38,900 --> 01:43:44,480
anti-semitic remarks for more than 30

2463
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:46,280
years and the March and Barack Obama

2464
01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:47,630
knew better than to associate himself

2465
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:50,210
with him so why can't the woman's much

2466
01:43:47,630 --> 01:43:54,110
because he's very powerful within the

2467
01:43:50,210 --> 01:43:56,660
black community well and so would have

2468
01:43:54,110 --> 01:43:59,060
lost anything right but the point I'm

2469
01:43:56,660 --> 01:43:59,870
making is if I were in charge of the

2470
01:43:59,060 --> 01:44:05,330
left wing

2471
01:43:59,870 --> 01:44:08,480
I'd say Jews blacks Israelis Arabs shut

2472
01:44:05,330 --> 01:44:12,200
the F up this is about the women's March

2473
01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:16,040
this isn't some first draft of a paddy

2474
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:19,190
Chayefsky play this is about women's

2475
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:22,670
right to choose and getting rid of Trump

2476
01:44:19,190 --> 01:44:24,890
leave your the problem yeah the problem

2477
01:44:22,670 --> 01:44:26,330
here is there are a lot of people in

2478
01:44:24,890 --> 01:44:29,600
this world who consider themselves

2479
01:44:26,330 --> 01:44:31,790
activists consider the subs woke who are

2480
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,230
too bored by women's rights to go to bed

2481
01:44:31,790 --> 01:44:35,540
and they need to fold it into something

2482
01:44:33,230 --> 01:44:36,980
they actually care about right and

2483
01:44:35,540 --> 01:44:38,840
that's what I think this is about the

2484
01:44:36,980 --> 01:44:39,980
people who say I don't care about

2485
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,240
women's rights can you make it about

2486
01:44:39,980 --> 01:44:43,250
anti Jews or can you make it about

2487
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:45,080
defensive you know look I'm not saying

2488
01:44:43,250 --> 01:44:46,010
and that you're anti-jewish if you think

2489
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:49,370
the Palestinians being treated badly

2490
01:44:46,010 --> 01:44:50,660
this woman's opinion is on it were not

2491
01:44:49,370 --> 01:44:53,630
particularly sophisticated enough to

2492
01:44:50,660 --> 01:44:55,760
warrant being you know representative of

2493
01:44:53,630 --> 01:44:57,200
its movement yeah I mean there was oh

2494
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,269
there was a woman I don't know it maybe

2495
01:44:57,200 --> 01:45:00,460
was Chicago

2496
01:44:58,269 --> 01:45:02,530
and a woman's March I think was a year

2497
01:45:00,460 --> 01:45:06,010
ago she held up the Israeli flag and was

2498
01:45:02,530 --> 01:45:09,159
told to take it down and she was wrong

2499
01:45:06,010 --> 01:45:10,749
to be asked to take it the vacant Israel

2500
01:45:09,159 --> 01:45:13,360
she was good

2501
01:45:10,749 --> 01:45:14,199
it wasn't it was wrong make it about a

2502
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:18,780
different issue

2503
01:45:14,199 --> 01:45:21,519
yeah it's disingenuous for a Jew to

2504
01:45:18,780 --> 01:45:23,739
raise the Israeli flag in front of a

2505
01:45:21,519 --> 01:45:26,829
bunch of progressives people of color

2506
01:45:23,739 --> 01:45:29,230
who obviously many of whom identify with

2507
01:45:26,829 --> 01:45:30,519
the Palestinians it's disingenuous for

2508
01:45:29,230 --> 01:45:32,769
you to think that you're not going to

2509
01:45:30,519 --> 01:45:36,449
piss off a couple of people by waving

2510
01:45:32,769 --> 01:45:39,099
the Israeli flag it's also wrong for the

2511
01:45:36,449 --> 01:45:41,440
organizers of that March to say take

2512
01:45:39,099 --> 01:45:44,199
down your flag you represent an

2513
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:47,679
apartheid state can we shut the hell up

2514
01:45:44,199 --> 01:45:52,110
about everything other than the right to

2515
01:45:47,679 --> 01:45:54,780
choose equal pay the me to movement and

2516
01:45:52,110 --> 01:45:58,809
Donald Trump do you have to bring in

2517
01:45:54,780 --> 01:46:01,119
everything to this mark well there it

2518
01:45:58,809 --> 01:46:02,619
was wrong that black leaders were not

2519
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:04,179
allowed as much of a voice as they

2520
01:46:02,619 --> 01:46:07,719
should have got I'm in the first March

2521
01:46:04,179 --> 01:46:09,369
but that's about because American women

2522
01:46:07,719 --> 01:46:11,139
should be well represented of all colors

2523
01:46:09,369 --> 01:46:11,949
it does not mean that we should make

2524
01:46:11,139 --> 01:46:13,900
this about foreign power

2525
01:46:11,949 --> 01:46:14,980
let's see there's a difference between

2526
01:46:13,900 --> 01:46:17,349
those things I think that it should be a

2527
01:46:14,980 --> 01:46:18,610
diverse group of women it has to be has

2528
01:46:17,349 --> 01:46:21,519
to be representative of all women in

2529
01:46:18,610 --> 01:46:24,010
this country but yes making it about

2530
01:46:21,519 --> 01:46:26,050
separate issues like Israel Palestine is

2531
01:46:24,010 --> 01:46:27,400
childish and the idea that they're

2532
01:46:26,050 --> 01:46:29,110
overcompensating that maybe they're

2533
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:31,449
overcompensating so we can't get rid of

2534
01:46:29,110 --> 01:46:33,880
this one woman who's you know putting

2535
01:46:31,449 --> 01:46:35,949
out anti-semitic stuff and and and and

2536
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:37,389
worshipping Farrakhan because we've got

2537
01:46:35,949 --> 01:46:39,780
in trouble for being disrespectful of

2538
01:46:37,389 --> 01:46:41,920
black women before is a little childish

2539
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:44,110
you know you should be able to do both

2540
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:48,820
you're not enemy of my enemy is my

2541
01:46:44,110 --> 01:46:51,730
friend Joseph Stalin was my friend when

2542
01:46:48,820 --> 01:46:53,349
we were fighting Hitler once we defeated

2543
01:46:51,730 --> 01:46:57,159
Hitler then we could go back to hating

2544
01:46:53,349 --> 01:46:59,230
Joseph Stalin you got to grow up you're

2545
01:46:57,159 --> 01:47:02,800
not gonna solve but the the most

2546
01:46:59,230 --> 01:47:04,719
intractable problems Wilbur Ross it's a

2547
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:06,729
lack of dislike of discipline to not be

2548
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:08,050
able to just say let's concentrate on

2549
01:47:06,729 --> 01:47:10,030
this and not make it about whatever

2550
01:47:08,050 --> 01:47:11,270
issue you like talking about the most

2551
01:47:10,030 --> 01:47:14,300
right

2552
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:16,040
Ross and this one is just great this is

2553
01:47:14,300 --> 01:47:17,030
why you don't have a commerce secretary

2554
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:22,610
it used to be one of Jeff Dunham's

2555
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:25,370
puppets it's Wilbur Ross is again coming

2556
01:47:22,610 --> 01:47:28,310
up as the most out of hunched rich guy

2557
01:47:25,370 --> 01:47:30,020
in in Trump support it I mean so of

2558
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:32,420
course we're talking about is he said

2559
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:33,920
that he did not understand why people

2560
01:47:32,420 --> 01:47:37,040
who had not been paid in a month would

2561
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:38,750
go to food banks did not understand why

2562
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:40,430
they would want free food because he

2563
01:47:38,750 --> 01:47:42,980
said why don't they just get loans you

2564
01:47:40,430 --> 01:47:46,340
know put themselves into debt because of

2565
01:47:42,980 --> 01:47:49,940
what we did to them and it really is

2566
01:47:46,340 --> 01:47:52,520
amazing because one he claimed that they

2567
01:47:49,940 --> 01:47:54,710
have it can all get federal secured

2568
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:57,050
loans guaranteed loans that's not true

2569
01:47:54,710 --> 01:47:59,150
there's a backlog of loans already

2570
01:47:57,050 --> 01:48:01,610
there's a few credit unions that are

2571
01:47:59,150 --> 01:48:03,470
offering interest-free loans to their

2572
01:48:01,610 --> 01:48:05,480
members only but the but that's like

2573
01:48:03,470 --> 01:48:06,770
that's only about 10 percent of the

2574
01:48:05,480 --> 01:48:07,850
people who are talked under no I'm sorry

2575
01:48:06,770 --> 01:48:10,280
that's one percent of people we're

2576
01:48:07,850 --> 01:48:13,340
talking about there's about 8,000 of the

2577
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:15,500
or 8 million of the 80 million people

2578
01:48:13,340 --> 01:48:17,930
something like that or is it 80 million

2579
01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:20,600
people right now or 800,000 people 800

2580
01:48:17,930 --> 01:48:23,150
fact I'm sure yes right right so um

2581
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:26,480
800,000 people bet that are currently

2582
01:48:23,150 --> 01:48:27,950
not being paid that he described as not

2583
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:30,950
mattering because it's only a third of

2584
01:48:27,950 --> 01:48:34,300
1% of our GDP that's why it doesn't

2585
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:36,470
matter that they're getting paid oh yeah

2586
01:48:34,300 --> 01:48:38,150
yeah they're not getting paid and he

2587
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:40,820
said look they should just get loans yes

2588
01:48:38,150 --> 01:48:43,250
yes they'll have a little interest that

2589
01:48:40,820 --> 01:48:45,200
is and he's he's even saying to them

2590
01:48:43,250 --> 01:48:47,660
that's why you shouldn't accept free

2591
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:50,360
food you should take a loan and go into

2592
01:48:47,660 --> 01:48:52,220
debt and just hope that everything gets

2593
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:54,770
better yeah you tell me people go into

2594
01:48:52,220 --> 01:48:56,780
debt to get a loan because they're gonna

2595
01:48:54,770 --> 01:48:57,800
get their paycheck back well what if you

2596
01:48:56,780 --> 01:49:00,380
don't get a paycheck for another month

2597
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:02,930
now they're in debt now they're in that

2598
01:49:00,380 --> 01:49:04,160
process that cycle of debt where you

2599
01:49:02,930 --> 01:49:05,870
can't get out of it you know like those

2600
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:07,880
like the predatory penalties everyone

2601
01:49:05,870 --> 01:49:10,490
knows about it's it's financial slavery

2602
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:11,600
he's trying to put people in because he

2603
01:49:10,490 --> 01:49:13,190
wants to pretend that there's nothing

2604
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:15,380
wrong with with just making these people

2605
01:49:13,190 --> 01:49:16,910
work for free well hang on but you know

2606
01:49:15,380 --> 01:49:19,610
payday lenders are the biggest

2607
01:49:16,910 --> 01:49:21,230
supporters of Trump Mick Mulvaney who

2608
01:49:19,610 --> 01:49:24,590
were the Consumer Financial Protection

2609
01:49:21,230 --> 01:49:27,290
Bureau he's a big

2610
01:49:24,590 --> 01:49:29,690
order or they support him the payday

2611
01:49:27,290 --> 01:49:32,630
lenders support Mick Mulvaney the credit

2612
01:49:29,690 --> 01:49:34,310
card companies well I mean I'm sure

2613
01:49:32,630 --> 01:49:36,739
they're privately extremely happy this

2614
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:38,989
is happening of course this is a giant

2615
01:49:36,739 --> 01:49:41,659
windfall for them for anyone who takes

2616
01:49:38,989 --> 01:49:42,590
advantage of people and who are in

2617
01:49:41,659 --> 01:49:45,770
financial problems

2618
01:49:42,590 --> 01:49:48,679
so that I mean it's I I mean it just

2619
01:49:45,770 --> 01:49:50,570
shows how Wilbur Ross is so removed from

2620
01:49:48,679 --> 01:49:52,520
what his job is supposed to be so

2621
01:49:50,570 --> 01:49:55,849
removed from just understanding what

2622
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:57,619
this is doing I mean I'm surprised that

2623
01:49:55,849 --> 01:49:58,849
you know he's not already going out

2624
01:49:57,619 --> 01:50:01,699
saying like you know

2625
01:49:58,849 --> 01:50:03,920
oh I've bought many organs from grateful

2626
01:50:01,699 --> 01:50:06,170
poor people in China for much more money

2627
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:08,810
than a month of federal employment

2628
01:50:06,170 --> 01:50:11,869
all of these people complaining have two

2629
01:50:08,810 --> 01:50:15,409
lungs to pain much more liver than they

2630
01:50:11,869 --> 01:50:17,119
need well we got to ramp it up

2631
01:50:15,409 --> 01:50:18,440
I promise by next week he's just gonna

2632
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:21,070
start suggesting that federal employees

2633
01:50:18,440 --> 01:50:24,909
sell one of their spare houses of course

2634
01:50:21,070 --> 01:50:27,139
or their yacht but I mean it's yeah yeah

2635
01:50:24,909 --> 01:50:28,460
it's just like it's like my Mitt Romney

2636
01:50:27,139 --> 01:50:32,659
said don't worry borrow money from your

2637
01:50:28,460 --> 01:50:35,750
parents yeah yeah poor people they don't

2638
01:50:32,659 --> 01:50:39,219
care that's luck not only do they know

2639
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:41,869
no I don't care they have contempt I

2640
01:50:39,219 --> 01:50:43,940
don't think I mean I don't I don't know

2641
01:50:41,869 --> 01:50:46,730
about the contempt part of it not caring

2642
01:50:43,940 --> 01:50:49,280
is more like this is what's like Larry

2643
01:50:46,730 --> 01:50:51,679
Trump is saying and you total these

2644
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:54,320
federal employees you are the brave eggs

2645
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:56,540
that will be broken for the omelette

2646
01:50:54,320 --> 01:51:00,349
that is a white America is essentially

2647
01:50:56,540 --> 01:51:01,909
her argument that it's okay that you're

2648
01:51:00,349 --> 01:51:04,190
dealing with this because at the end of

2649
01:51:01,909 --> 01:51:08,090
the day we'll get our symbolic wall

2650
01:51:04,190 --> 01:51:10,760
against against the future yeah well

2651
01:51:08,090 --> 01:51:13,909
you're they don't care the people

2652
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:19,190
sitting in first class is your enemy and

2653
01:51:13,909 --> 01:51:21,820
my advice is to fart in first class to

2654
01:51:19,190 --> 01:51:24,940
somehow make sure you have health care

2655
01:51:21,820 --> 01:51:28,070
to become a vegan

2656
01:51:24,940 --> 01:51:31,489
that way you're rejecting the system if

2657
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:34,190
you switch to a plant-based diet you're

2658
01:51:31,489 --> 01:51:36,770
rejecting all of it be a vegan is about

2659
01:51:34,190 --> 01:51:37,489
the most you can do as one person to

2660
01:51:36,770 --> 01:51:38,449
help the world

2661
01:51:37,489 --> 01:51:39,380
it's

2662
01:51:38,449 --> 01:51:41,119
I mean I'm not gonna do it because I

2663
01:51:39,380 --> 01:51:44,749
love me but it is a very good thing to

2664
01:51:41,119 --> 01:51:47,300
do well it's the only thing that would

2665
01:51:44,749 --> 01:51:50,749
save the planet is if everybody just

2666
01:51:47,300 --> 01:51:53,389
switched to a plant-based diet and watch

2667
01:51:50,749 --> 01:51:54,800
how you spend your money everybody's I

2668
01:51:53,389 --> 01:51:56,900
know everybody's in debt they all have

2669
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:59,539
student loans blah blah blah blah blah

2670
01:51:56,900 --> 01:52:02,389
but what's more important than your vote

2671
01:51:59,539 --> 01:52:03,949
and that is important but what's really

2672
01:52:02,389 --> 01:52:07,610
important how you spend your money how

2673
01:52:03,949 --> 01:52:11,300
you consume you know being a vegan is

2674
01:52:07,610 --> 01:52:13,039
how you consume what you buy how do you

2675
01:52:11,300 --> 01:52:16,010
how do you spend your money who you

2676
01:52:13,039 --> 01:52:20,050
giving your money and your time to and

2677
01:52:16,010 --> 01:52:25,429
my suggestion is don't give your time to

2678
01:52:20,050 --> 01:52:27,889
the Covington kids it's not important no

2679
01:52:25,429 --> 01:52:30,909
it's not and it's what and it's it's in

2680
01:52:27,889 --> 01:52:33,050
the loo it's in lieu of discussing

2681
01:52:30,909 --> 01:52:36,829
medicare-for-all it's in lieu of

2682
01:52:33,050 --> 01:52:40,280
figuring out how to tax the richest 1%

2683
01:52:36,829 --> 01:52:43,300
properly that's heavy lifting it's easy

2684
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:46,190
to look at a smug whitey attacked that

2685
01:52:43,300 --> 01:52:48,229
why I see a smug white kid getting the

2686
01:52:46,190 --> 01:52:50,179
face back an Indian though that is a

2687
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:53,329
real thing we can talk about which is

2688
01:52:50,179 --> 01:52:55,400
its we not here is ignore you spent

2689
01:52:53,329 --> 01:52:57,979
three at not you but I have friends who

2690
01:52:55,400 --> 01:53:01,309
spent three hours going over that video

2691
01:52:57,979 --> 01:53:02,809
in Washington and the mall and yeah

2692
01:53:01,309 --> 01:53:03,979
that's a little silly but at the same

2693
01:53:02,809 --> 01:53:06,469
time we've talked about this before

2694
01:53:03,979 --> 01:53:08,119
there is gonna be a real price that we

2695
01:53:06,469 --> 01:53:10,429
are paying for the psychological effect

2696
01:53:08,119 --> 01:53:12,380
of Trump on these children and this is a

2697
01:53:10,429 --> 01:53:14,570
small example of it we are going to be

2698
01:53:12,380 --> 01:53:16,219
seen for the rest of our life the toxic

2699
01:53:14,570 --> 01:53:19,070
hatred that comes out of people who

2700
01:53:16,219 --> 01:53:21,229
Trump taught to no longer be ashamed of

2701
01:53:19,070 --> 01:53:22,699
these feelings okay I mean that and you

2702
01:53:21,229 --> 01:53:23,719
know just like McDonald's it's just like

2703
01:53:22,699 --> 01:53:24,829
the McDonald's they remember when Trump

2704
01:53:23,719 --> 01:53:26,749
bought a McDonald's for those athletes

2705
01:53:24,829 --> 01:53:28,639
and how much of a nephew that was to

2706
01:53:26,749 --> 01:53:32,209
those kids and people said oh don't look

2707
01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:34,519
at that that's not important do not look

2708
01:53:32,209 --> 01:53:37,099
away from the dingo because it will eat

2709
01:53:34,519 --> 01:53:40,039
your baby the babies are and I am a mine

2710
01:53:37,099 --> 01:53:42,559
with I think you need to discipline to

2711
01:53:40,039 --> 01:53:45,409
talk about everything we got it we happy

2712
01:53:42,559 --> 01:53:46,639
right we talk about just the dumb easy

2713
01:53:45,409 --> 01:53:50,030
stuff to talk about like the company it

2714
01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:52,230
cuz that's not a big deal but well let

2715
01:53:50,030 --> 01:53:53,670
me ask you let me ask you this question

2716
01:53:52,230 --> 01:53:57,300
price were paying right let me ask you

2717
01:53:53,670 --> 01:53:59,250
let me ask you a question yeah are you a

2718
01:53:57,300 --> 01:54:02,430
Democrat yes

2719
01:53:59,250 --> 01:54:06,930
are you a progressive yes are you a

2720
01:54:02,430 --> 01:54:08,010
lefty yeah you're a lefty I mean as far

2721
01:54:06,930 --> 01:54:09,510
as I know all those things mean the same

2722
01:54:08,010 --> 01:54:12,810
thing they don't there's a difference

2723
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:16,020
between a liberal and lefties now so

2724
01:54:12,810 --> 01:54:17,580
instead of yeah I mean you and I are

2725
01:54:16,020 --> 01:54:22,050
part of the same tribe

2726
01:54:17,580 --> 01:54:25,410
we hate smug white kids from Covington

2727
01:54:22,050 --> 01:54:28,710
right with their dicks about it yes

2728
01:54:25,410 --> 01:54:31,680
do you support Medicare for all yes okay

2729
01:54:28,710 --> 01:54:34,560
do you support free tuition at all

2730
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:37,440
public universities well pretty much

2731
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:39,420
yeah do you support taxing anybody who

2732
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:41,430
makes more than ten million dollars a

2733
01:54:39,420 --> 01:54:43,800
year at seventy percent

2734
01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:45,600
I couldn't ago she ate on the exact

2735
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:46,890
amount I think that it has to be a

2736
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:50,340
little bit more it's a complicated

2737
01:54:46,890 --> 01:54:52,290
question but yeah I'm okay with taxing

2738
01:54:50,340 --> 01:54:54,360
yes I want higher tax brackets that go

2739
01:54:52,290 --> 01:54:56,340
up higher and Braille all rights more

2740
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:58,890
yeah I think somebody might be a little

2741
01:54:56,340 --> 01:55:01,140
high but I'm fine with something in the

2742
01:54:58,890 --> 01:55:04,040
area yeah do you believe in spending a

2743
01:55:01,140 --> 01:55:06,300
trillion dollars on infrastructure uh

2744
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:09,570
yeah I think that's probably a good idea

2745
01:55:06,300 --> 01:55:13,950
so why so so why are we discussing

2746
01:55:09,570 --> 01:55:16,710
anything other than that if it's because

2747
01:55:13,950 --> 01:55:18,030
oh there was a poisoning of our culture

2748
01:55:16,710 --> 01:55:18,420
happening right now that could not be

2749
01:55:18,030 --> 01:55:20,520
ignored

2750
01:55:18,420 --> 01:55:23,280
there was a writ with there will be a

2751
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:27,420
true price for the number of people that

2752
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:30,739
he is inspiring to embrace their darkest

2753
01:55:27,420 --> 01:55:35,160
instincts and that can that can play out

2754
01:55:30,739 --> 01:55:37,650
affecting everything just said okay Dave

2755
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:43,080
Cyrus how do people follow you on

2756
01:55:37,650 --> 01:55:46,020
twitter gave Cyrus on Twitter the DAV es

2757
01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:50,550
ir us same as Instagram and love God

2758
01:55:46,020 --> 01:55:51,840
please follow my Instagram okay and you

2759
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:52,700
got anything coming I'm gonna stop you

2760
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:55,500
right there

2761
01:55:52,700 --> 01:56:00,180
yeah well Sunday if you're in Salt Lake

2762
01:55:55,500 --> 01:56:02,040
City Utah I'll be on wise guys with Pete

2763
01:56:00,180 --> 01:56:04,980
Davidson so come enjoy that if it's not

2764
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:05,639
sold out and then I'll be in LA for a

2765
01:56:04,980 --> 01:56:07,909
few days

2766
01:56:05,639 --> 01:56:10,590
maybe of a show there who knows okay

2767
01:56:07,909 --> 01:56:12,480
Stan line for one second sir you're

2768
01:56:10,590 --> 01:56:15,620
listening to the david feldman radio

2769
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:40,069
program you said but feta comp

2770
01:56:15,620 --> 01:56:40,069
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