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it’s time right now for the david feldman
show he’s talking politics a comedy dude you

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tell a dirty joke if you want him to he’s
just a lefty from way back he’s a union man

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with an end before writing someday he’s mad
and he feels like a fight

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it’s time right now for the david film and

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he’s got a lot to say and he’s coming your
way

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me

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he’s got a lot to say and he’s coming your
way he’s got a lot to say and he’s coming

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your way he’s got a lot to say and he’s coming
your way

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thank you

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hi hi welcome to the broadcast i’m david feldman
and thank you so much professor mike steinel

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he will be joining us a litter a litter a
little later on in the show if i can put a

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sentence together welcome to the mop up for
november 1st 2021 there were only two months

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left in 2021 i’m david feldman coming to you
from an air shaft overlooking a parking garage

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somewhere in manhattan where the temperature
is 57 degrees and sun and sunny i was going

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to say and sunday stuck on sunday i want to
talk about huma abedin we have a virtual studio

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audience and sometimes i open up the floor
to take questions from the people who are

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in our virtual studio audience huma abedin
was married to anthony weiner he was a congressman

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from brooklyn who ended up doing time for
soliciting photographs naked photographs of

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an underage girl you remember anthony weiner
congress ex-congress person huma abedin was

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hillary clinton’s daughter essentially hillary
clinton referred to huma when she was running

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for president in 2016 as her second daughter
huma has a new book out and she’s saying i’m

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asking this i’m asking this question of my
listeners maybe we can have a conversation

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about this later on on the show let me throw
this out there in the book huma abedin says

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that she was sexually assaulted by a united
states senator and she explains what happens

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but she doesn’t name the name and i’m curious
what she owes the metoo movement i don’t know

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i’m you know obviously i’m not a woman i don’t
know i i can’t imagine what it’s like to be

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sexually assaulted especially by a united
states senator i’m just curious and i’d like

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to hear only from the men on the napkin i’d
like to hear from women and only women on

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this i’m not interested i’m not going to take
any if there are men in the audience who want

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to opine on this i’m not interested i’m genuinely
curious to hear from my female listeners what

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does huma abedin owe the metoo movement and
and should she be naming the name of the senator

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who assaulted her now i don’t know the whole
story maybe well i doubt she went to the police

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because that senator would no longer be a
we would know who it was so is the world better

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that she’s not naming his name is he now free
to assault other women shouldn’t we know if

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you know i’m asking and this is these are
questions that i raised this morning with

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someone who’s very close to me and told me
not to bring this up i have no right to discuss

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this because i’m not a woman and so i’m asking
the woman what do you owe if you’re hillary

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clinton’s putative daughter what do you owe
to other women when you’re sexually assaulted

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by a united states senator do you owe it to
other women and yourself to report that senator

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i’m gonna guess he was a democratic senator
i don’t know i’m touching a third rail here

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i’m asking only the women in our virtual studio
audience what they think i’m not interested

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in what the men have to say about this well
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an assumed name we don’t care just as long
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to behave tuesday is election day here in
america and today i want to talk about who

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speaks for us in a republic such as ours such
as it is we rely on people to speak for us

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we’re busy so we need people to speak for
us and we must trust that people who speak

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for us or presume to speak for us are on our
side now we know the gop is not on our side

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and if you work in the entertainment industry
you know the producers and the studios and

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the networks are not on your side so the malevolent
ones in america are those who present themselves

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as allies of the working people but are furtively
working against us alec baldwin for example

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people over the weekend ask me why pick on
a man when he’s down and he is obviously down

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and i think he’s a brilliant person i do and
i wish him and his family well i really do

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i think alec baldwin’s good outweighs his
bad just barely just barely and he’s decided

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he’s presumed to speak for us he must be held
accountable for his words and his actions

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because that cinematographer he shot to death
accidentally would be alive today if alec

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baldwin didn’t screw the unions that day on
the set of rust where he was a hands-on producer

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now the way it’s being played and spun is
that somehow he’s now the victim in all this

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people are actually worrying about alex ptsd
post-traumatic stress syndrome ptsd and i’m

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reading about this because it’s a really important
story not just because somebody died primarily

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because somebody died but why somebody died
reportedly the press is saying that as the

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sound of alec baldwin’s gun echoed throughout
the set that day he repeatedly asked what

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the f just happened what the f just happened
what happened alec is you and your other producers

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decided to save money by hiring that day union
scabs that’s precisely what happened alec

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baldwin and alec baldwin is emblematic of
everything that is wrong with hollywood and

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the democratic party leadership which happens
to be one in the same hollywood and the democratic

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party leadership are one in the same it’s
no coincidence that nancy pelosi is from san

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francisco which has a direct line to hollywood
money these people in hollywood and the democratic

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leadership are not just hypocrites they are
getting us killed they are getting us killed

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baldwin alec baldwin issued a statement a
few days before he accidentally shot his cinematographer

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he issued a statement on instagram nobody
asked him to he presumed that we were interested

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and that he decided to opine an iatsi that
is the union of theatrical stagehands who

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still are threatening to strike for more pay
and safer working conditions more pay and

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safer working conditions which were exactly
not on the receiving end of that rust set

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alec baldwin was a producer and iatsi was
not getting paid and there were not safe working

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conditions but nobody asked alan baldwin alec
baldwin to go up on instagram but he went

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up on instagram about a day before he accidentally
shot the cinematographer and he said he opined

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he gave permission to iatsey to go on strike
he said i will support ayatsi if they go on

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strike well that sounds very benevolent on
his part but you really have no choice in

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the matter alec it’s not for you to support
ayatsi to go on strike or not support ayatsi

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to go on strike because trust me if ayatsi
ever goes on strike hollywood is shutting

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down so it wasn’t that hard the day before
alec baldwin accidentally killed his cinematographer

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the day before he threw his producers through
ayatsi off the set they brought in the police

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to throw iatsy off the set it wasn’t that
hard for alec baldwin to say he supports ayatsi

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it cost him nothing it was a branding exercise
for him to issue that statement to look like

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a good guy to look like he’s a member of the
rank and file but that same day when it came

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to supporting ayatsi he completely screwed
them over rust he was a producer on rust was

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a non-union set and people get killed and
injured on non-union sets they also don’t

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get their health benefits paid they don’t
get health insurance on non-union sets the

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day alec baldwin accidentally shot his cinematographer
the iac crew was escorted off the set by police

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i believe the producer’s name was pickle i
think it’s a pickle or pickles and she had

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done that before she had had ayatsi problems
before and immediately called the police to

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escort them off even though they weren’t breaking
the law the producers were breaking the law

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they weren’t paying on time and guns were
going off on the set and ayatse was complaining

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about that and they iatsi complained and nothing
changed so they walked off they were complaining

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about gun safety on the set of rust and alec
baldwin was so busy on instagram the day before

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giving his permission to ayasi saying that
he would support them if they voted to strike

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but on his own set the next day when ayatsi
walked off his producer called the police

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to throw them off the set he had a new crew
after lunch and that’s when he was handed

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a loaded weapon and that’s when he accidentally
killed somebody so baldwin my heart goes out

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to him i wish him well but he is a lying hypocrite
his assistant director halls wasn’t a member

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of the dga the assistant director was phi
core which means as a political statement

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he pays just enough to the director’s guild
so he can work but not enough so that he can

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support the union financially that’s a political
statement when a union member goes phi core

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so the the assistant director was not a uh
a member of the dga in good standing that

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is political your when your uh a.d is openly
against unions when you’re fight corps uh

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that’s a political statement that’s an anti-union
statement to hire somebody this guy who handed

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who shouldn’t have been handing alec baldwin
that gun it should have been the armorer but

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they were saving money and they had an anti-union
scab as an assistant director and that’s the

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guy who the la times says handed alec baldwin
a hot gun this assistant director according

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to to deadline and the associated press and
the los angeles times was notorious as an

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assistant director for treating his crew like
crap and it makes sense he was not a supporter

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of the director’s guild even though he had
to be phycor to work on something that claimed

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to be a union set but that uh that wasn’t
now alec baldwin knows this he’s been he’s

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63 he’s been working in movies and television
since he was at least 20 and he’s a a member

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of sag after he can’t wait to tell us that
he’s a a member of sagged astra and in the

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bylaws of sag-aftra sag after his union considers
any phi corps members of the director’s guild

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to be scabs that’s written into the bylaws
of sag-aftra the guy who handed the hot gun

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to alec baldwin the assistant director from
what we are being told by the los angeles

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times and deadline we’re being told that he
was a scab baldwin told the press this weekend

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this weekend while he was running away from
the paparazzi he stopped and uh said okay

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i’ll answer your questions as as best i can
and this past weekend he said that the cinematographer

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he killed was a friend and they had dinner
the night before and then he made the mistake

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the legal mistake he was told to shut his
mouth but he can’t and i understand alec because

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i can’t keep my mouth shut either here’s where
he made the mistake he said we were a well-oiled

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set he said the cinematographer was my friend
and we were a quote-unquote well-oiled set

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that means they were working closely with
one another and they knew everybody’s business

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that means he knew what was going on it was
a tiny set so when alec baldwin goes on instagram

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the day before to say he supports ayatsi that
is literally lip service you say i support

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ayatsi and then the next day you know it’s
a well-oiled set alec you knew pickles i think

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her name was pickles the producer once again
sent the police in to escort ayatsi off the

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set he knew before he fired that weapon that
he was working with scabs and scabs get people

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killed scabs the reason the cinematographer
is dead is because that was a non-union set

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ayatsi would never allow an assistant director
to touch the armorer’s gun and don’t don’t

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tell me that the armorer was 20 is to blame
she’s 24 they took advantage of a young 24

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year old who wanted to be an armorer she had
a history of problems with nicolas cage on

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previous sets it’s a small town a small business
everybody knows each other they knew about

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her problem she was 24. she should have been
protected she should not have been hired and

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if she was hired it was the producers who
should have stayed on top of her she didn’t

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hand the gun to alec baldwin an anti-union
scab did and alec baldwin knew that now people

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have said it’s a tragedy for alec baldwin
alec baldwin and the neo-liberals who he surrounds

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himself with are so self-involved that they
convince themselves they are doing good in

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the world when you screw over the unions you’re
not doing good in the world you’re getting

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people killed now in that very same instagram
message i i was gonna play it i don’t have

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time to play it it takes up too much time
i recommend you go listen to his instagram

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message where baldwin goes on instagram at
opines he was opining on who was better the

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stones or the beatles then he talked about
ayatsi and then he praised the life of colin

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powell because alec baldwin purports to be
on our side but he is at best a neo-liberal

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hack he’s a multi-millionaire who sides with
management and if you side with management

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you’re always going to praise the life of
cole and powell alec baldwin in the same instagram

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message where he said it was okay for ayatsi
to go on strike thank you so much for for

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the no bless oblige of allowing ayatsi to
go on strike alec baldwin in that same message

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he said colin powell shouldn’t be judged by
the he didn’t call them this he said shouldn’t

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be judged by iraq what he’s saying is you
shouldn’t judge powell for the lies he spewed

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before the u.n about iraq and weapons of mass
destruction and he got it wrong he talked

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about yellow cake it wasn’t anyway he was
praising colin powell and calling him a victim

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of the the bush and cheney families nobody
asked alec baldwin to say anything about colin

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powell he went out of his way to go on instagram
to his hundred i guess he has a million people

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listening to him he went out of his way to
praise colin powell who covered up the milai

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massacre and led us into another phony war
iraq where what a million people are dead

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because of his lie because of colin powell’s
lie nobody asked alec baldwin what he thought

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of colin powell you know he went out of his
way to go on record and literally call colin

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powell a great man and then added he supported
ayatsi while recording his instagram message

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from a luxurious hotel right near the set
of rust the movie which was busy busting ayatsi

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baldwin is the quintessential never trumper
that’s who he is in his estimation and the

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people he surrounds himself with in his estimation
as long as he rails against donald trump you

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know he was on snl for four years paying the
price of going after donald trump it was very

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courageous for him to make fun of donald trump
as long as he makes fun of donald trump nobody

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needs to know that he shares pretty much the
same values as donald trump pretty much although

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i’m pretty sure donald trump never punched
anybody interesting basically alec baldwin

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is bill crystal he’s a never trumper who you
forgive colin powell for iraq you’re an ever

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trumper you’re the lincoln project alec you’re
part of the problem it’s okay for you to think

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that way and talk that way but get the f out
of the democratic party do not presume to

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speak for iatsi which you did in your instagram
message do not presume to speak for the union

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rank and file and get the f out of the democratic
party you multi-millionaire neoliberal hack

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do not presume to speak for the democratic
party you can say everything you want and

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believe everything you want but do not presume
to speak for the unions or the democratic

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party get the f out of our way you are not
our ally you are not our ally how dare you

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presume to speak for unions when you are a
producer when you’re management and you’re

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running a union busting set how dare you presume
to speak for the rank and file of ayatse and

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how dare you presume to speak for the democratic
party when you’re praising colin powell

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alec baldwin doesn’t speak for me he speaks
for himself and the ruling class tuesday is

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election day who speaks for you it’s not alec
baldwin who in the democratic party speaks

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for you it’s an off-year election but important
nonetheless there are two governors races

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new jersey and virginia new jersey democratic
governor phil murphy a former pig who worked

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for goldman sachs he’s married to a pig from
goldman sachs he’s worth about 50 million

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dollars he’s running for reelection and believe
it or not i’m sad to report he’s not half

0:25:56.320,0:26:05.470
bad compared to the other pigs who speak for
the democratic party murphy has actually paid

0:26:05.470,0:26:11.840
lip service he’s paid lip service to talk
about public banks and making sure public

0:26:11.840,0:26:19.020
pensions aren’t invested by hedge funds and
private equity

0:26:19.020,0:26:25.030
in his second term as governor if he’s reelected
he promises to to do anything about that i

0:26:25.030,0:26:33.070
doubt it but he’s still unfortunately better
than the alternative uh he’s still a pig and

0:26:33.070,0:26:40.760
he can be the democratic governor of new jersey
but he doesn’t speak for the for the people

0:26:40.760,0:26:50.040
of new jersey yet yet and in virginia former
democratic governor of virginia and bag man

0:26:50.040,0:26:55.510
for the clintons terry mcauliffe is also running
he wants to be governor again and you can

0:26:55.510,0:27:02.090
trace everything that’s wrong with the democratic
party back to three people bill clinton rahm

0:27:02.090,0:27:08.440
emanuel terry mcauliffe former head of the
democratic party i guess we’re supposed to

0:27:08.440,0:27:15.350
root for this pig and he is a pig because
he’s running against a republican bag man

0:27:15.350,0:27:24.400
a former hedge fund manager who’s also a pig
and there are also two special elections for

0:27:24.400,0:27:32.860
congress on election day uh tuesday in two
two safe seats doesn’t matter and virginia’s

0:27:32.860,0:27:38.010
house of delegates is also up for grabs you
should pay attention we should pay attention

0:27:38.010,0:27:47.060
to what happens in virginia’s house of delegates
we want it to go bluer than it already is

0:27:47.060,0:27:53.960
thank you for the coffee leslie locally we
have mayoral races in new york city atlanta

0:27:53.960,0:28:01.650
boston cincinnati miami seattle minneapolis
and most importantly for my listeners buffalo

0:28:01.650,0:28:08.740
i will talk about buffalo in a second very
important mayoral race that should have been

0:28:08.740,0:28:13.870
settled by now but people like

0:28:13.870,0:28:20.180
terry mcauliffe and you know the alec baldwin
types uh not that alec baldwin is busying

0:28:20.180,0:28:26.290
himself with buffalo but his kind of neo-liberal
multi-millionaire class is screwing over the

0:28:26.290,0:28:33.940
democrats in buffalo i’ll talk about that
in a second but first seattle seattle the

0:28:33.940,0:28:41.380
home of the home of microsoft and amazon they
are holding a very important election on december

0:28:41.380,0:28:49.290
7th it’s a special recall to remove city council
member professor and i’m she’s been on the

0:28:49.290,0:28:56.370
show and i’m kishama sawant i think that’s
how we pronounce her name uh city council

0:28:56.370,0:29:03.100
member professor kishama sawant she is the
first socialist elected to seattle city council

0:29:03.100,0:29:10.950
in almost a century she was on the show earlier
this year professor sawant was elected to

0:29:10.950,0:29:18.630
the seattle city council on a pro-renter pro
worker agenda and since she was sworn into

0:29:18.630,0:29:25.170
office back in january of 2014 she’s been
there almost more than seven years since she

0:29:25.170,0:29:32.480
became a member of the city council she succeeded
in raising the minimum wage to 15 an hour

0:29:32.480,0:29:40.260
she has been re-elected twice fighting for
police reform successfully she fights for

0:29:40.260,0:29:48.960
the homeless rent control and attacks on wealthy
corporations who make their home in seattle

0:29:48.960,0:29:56.540
corporations like amazon and microsoft and
of course amazon and microsoft are trying

0:29:56.540,0:30:05.870
to get rid of her well microsoft founder bill
gates he’s from seattle celebrated his 66th

0:30:05.870,0:30:11.840
birthday this week or last week off the coast
of turkey with jeff bezos what a party that

0:30:11.840,0:30:19.040
must have been what a great party that must
have been jeff bezos and bill gates celebrating

0:30:19.040,0:30:27.960
bill gates’s 66th birthday party on bill gates’s
private yacht which cost gates 2 million dollars

0:30:27.960,0:30:36.730
a week to rent bill gates rented a yacht for
2 million a week it’s a gigantic yacht the

0:30:36.730,0:30:45.320
yacht that he rented for two million dollars
a week uh i’d have to think i mean how much

0:30:45.320,0:30:49.840
does a yacht well maybe a yeah yeah it would
cost that yeah it probably cost a hundred

0:30:49.840,0:30:56.410
million dollars the yacht is registered and
here’s the important thing the yacht that

0:30:56.410,0:31:07.860
bill gates is quote unquote renting is registered
in the cayman islands uh pandora papers anyone

0:31:07.860,0:31:14.720
he’s renting a yacht for two million dollars
a week that’s registered in the cayman islands

0:31:14.720,0:31:21.960
which means he’s renting the yacht from himself

0:31:21.960,0:31:29.730
and if he isn’t renting that yacht from himself
he should fire his financial advisors here’s

0:31:29.730,0:31:37.840
how it works bill gates sets up an llc in
the cayman islands and hides money there he

0:31:37.840,0:31:43.750
has enough money in the cayman islands to
purchase a yacht under an assumed name right

0:31:43.750,0:31:52.270
now he throws a birthday party he’s turning
66 and he rents the yacht to himself and the

0:31:52.270,0:31:58.000
united states government has no idea that
he owns the yacht because it’s registered

0:31:58.000,0:32:03.960
in the cayman islands the limited liability
corporation he set up in the cayman islands

0:32:03.960,0:32:11.760
to buy that yacht charges gates two million
dollars which means that bill gates takes

0:32:11.760,0:32:19.260
two million dollars from his american bank
account and pays 2 million dollars to his

0:32:19.260,0:32:28.660
llc in the cayman islands for the use of his
yacht right the 2 million dollars shows up

0:32:28.660,0:32:36.160
on his tax return as a business expense it’s
a deduction because he invited the homunculus

0:32:36.160,0:32:42.770
jeff bezos to celebrate his birthday with
him so that’s a business expense so it’s a

0:32:42.770,0:32:48.440
write-off in the united states meanwhile he’s
transferring the two million dollars to the

0:32:48.440,0:32:57.080
cayman islands because he’s paying himself
rent for the boat it goes into the llc tax

0:32:57.080,0:33:04.960
free and if he’s not doing that he should
fire his advisors because it’s all well i’m

0:33:04.960,0:33:15.100
not going to say it’s perfectly legal our
irs is understaffed to enforce the laws that

0:33:15.100,0:33:22.680
he’s breaking but that’s not the worst part
of all this forget that bill gates is really

0:33:22.680,0:33:29.630
shielding using his birthday giving himself
a two million dollar tax-free gift uh that’s

0:33:29.630,0:33:35.000
not the worst part bill gates says you know
as a philanthropist who’s very concerned about

0:33:35.000,0:33:42.500
climate change as is jeff bezos and to get
to his yacht off the coast of greece in the

0:33:42.500,0:33:50.250
mediterranean all the guests had to be helicoptered
in and after the birthday celebration jeff

0:33:50.250,0:33:55.870
bezos and bill gates along with all those
other climate conscious billionaires they

0:33:55.870,0:34:05.420
all flew an estimated 400 private jets to
glasgow to participate in this year’s climate

0:34:05.420,0:34:12.980
summit which started on monday those 500 private
jets just to get to glasgow for the climate

0:34:12.980,0:34:21.179
summit will burn an estimated 13 000 tons
of carbon dioxide which is the equivalent

0:34:21.179,0:34:32.609
of what 1600 americans burn in a year 400
private jets flying to glasgow burned the

0:34:32.609,0:34:37.720
equivalent of what sixteen hundred americans
burn in a year that’s just to fly into the

0:34:37.720,0:34:45.119
climate summit on a private jet to sit around
for a week and do absolutely nothing about

0:34:45.119,0:34:53.970
climate change other than contribute to it
why is bill gates or jeff bezos even allowed

0:34:53.970,0:35:03.930
anywhere near a climate summit who cares what
they think about climate change in fact find

0:35:03.930,0:35:13.119
out what bill gates and jeff bezos think and
then do the complete opposite by the way 400

0:35:13.119,0:35:19.510
private jets arriving for the climate summit
in glasgow that’s not an issue of optics it’s

0:35:19.510,0:35:29.809
not that it looks bad it is bad it’s destroying
the planet 400 private jets aren’t a drop

0:35:29.809,0:35:36.410
in the bucket there’s no such thing right
now as renewable aviation fuel they’re not

0:35:36.410,0:35:43.450
using renewable aviation fuel and as i mentioned
before on this show i think it was professor

0:35:43.450,0:35:49.150
ian faluna who said this if aviation were
a country if the aviation industry were a

0:35:49.150,0:35:55.099
country it would be something like the fifth
largest producer of greenhouse gases in the

0:35:55.099,0:36:04.030
world so when 400 private jets fly into glasgow
that’s not just hypocrisy it’s destructive

0:36:04.030,0:36:15.000
our president is there right now joe biden
does joe biden really need to spew out 2.2

0:36:15.000,0:36:24.069
million pounds of carbon to get to this climate
summit using four planes and the marine one

0:36:24.069,0:36:30.440
helicopter along with his enormous motorcade
including the beast he had to bring the beast

0:36:30.440,0:36:41.099
with him that that big uh limo i think alec
baldwin’s wife is driving the same model up

0:36:41.099,0:36:48.930
in vermont with the nannies and the kids the
beast and the and the and like five suvs he

0:36:48.930,0:36:56.240
really needs to go to glasgow and contribute
to climate change for what america is the

0:36:56.240,0:37:02.470
largest contributor to greenhouse gases i
know china they say is surpassing us but per

0:37:02.470,0:37:09.650
capita america we are the largest consumer
of oil we’re the largest spewer of greenhouse

0:37:09.650,0:37:17.809
gases per capita and the the the greenhouse
gases that are getting spewed in china it’s

0:37:17.809,0:37:27.999
for the crap we buy we don’t need a summit
on the world stage to fix the climate america

0:37:27.999,0:37:34.140
just needs to change and the world will follow
we don’t need to be meeting with uh boris

0:37:34.140,0:37:45.099
johnson and the eu and and putin america just
needs to stop what it’s doing why is joe biden

0:37:45.099,0:37:51.789
in glasgow especially now especially this
late in the game what could pop what what

0:37:51.789,0:37:58.619
could joe biden possibly learn or agree to
in glasgow this week that he couldn’t learn

0:37:58.619,0:38:06.569
and or accomplish by staying home staying
in washington dc and twisting arms to pass

0:38:06.569,0:38:13.970
the green new deal this is an obfuscation
glasgow we already have the answer it’s called

0:38:13.970,0:38:19.420
the green new deal there’s going to be no
better piece of legislation than the green

0:38:19.420,0:38:28.020
new deal what are you doing wasting time in
glasgow pass the green new deal you’re going

0:38:28.020,0:38:34.999
to come home from glasgow after a week with
the same conclusion the green new deal passed

0:38:34.999,0:38:44.779
the green new deal it’s ready it’s ready it
was in bernie’s build back better at 6 trillion

0:38:44.779,0:38:53.710
it was sort of in bernie’s buildback better
at 3 trillion but joe biden who’s off to glasgow

0:38:53.710,0:39:01.650
to figure out how to save the planet he stripped
bernie’s 3 trillion dollar build back better

0:39:01.650,0:39:09.470
of the all the major climate change provisions
he needs to stay home everything we need to

0:39:09.470,0:39:18.309
do to save the planet could be squeezed right
now and to build back better

0:39:18.309,0:39:23.549
this is our last chance build back better
the midterms are coming around you should

0:39:23.549,0:39:30.390
be squeezing the green new deal and to build
back better and if the parliamentarian the

0:39:30.390,0:39:38.349
parliamentarian says it can’t be squeezed
into a reconciliation bill you fire the parliamentarian

0:39:38.349,0:39:44.529
or you ignore the parliamentarian there are
no laws that say the the senate parliamentarian

0:39:44.529,0:39:51.789
gets to decide what can be in a reconciliation
bill and what can’t be get rid of the parliamentary

0:39:51.789,0:39:57.839
and ignore her and get the green new deal
into bill’s back better the way bernie had

0:39:57.839,0:40:06.900
proposed at 6 trillion or at the very least
3 trillion what you’re doing in glasgow joe

0:40:06.900,0:40:13.920
biden wringing your hands over climate change
you’re wasting time that this planet no longer

0:40:13.920,0:40:23.150
has you’re getting us killed joe biden you’re
paying lip service to climate change when

0:40:23.150,0:40:28.630
you have an opportunity to do something about
it right now and you’re not just like alec

0:40:28.630,0:40:34.609
baldwin paying lip service to ayatsi but when
he has an opportunity to do something about

0:40:34.609,0:40:43.519
it he fires the union replaces his union crew
with scabs and he ends up shooting somebody

0:40:43.519,0:40:51.059
to death when you pay lip service to the most
important issues of our time you end up getting

0:40:51.059,0:40:58.339
people killed it’s not exxon mobil’s fault
they are going to do what they do it’s joe

0:40:58.339,0:41:03.609
biden’s fault when you get elected president
lying to the american people saying you’re

0:41:03.609,0:41:08.849
going to do something about climate change
because you’re on our side and you don’t that’s

0:41:08.849,0:41:15.349
way more malevolent than the people who work
for shell bp and exxon at least they’re not

0:41:15.349,0:41:25.039
lying to us the way the way joe biden is and
blinking and everybody in the biden administration

0:41:25.039,0:41:30.200
doesn’t belong the blind administration does
not belong in glasgow they belong on capitol

0:41:30.200,0:41:36.290
hill right now putting six trillion dollars
into that reconciliation bill and to build

0:41:36.290,0:41:43.829
back better and putting the green new deal
into it there’s that that’s it if you don’t

0:41:43.829,0:41:51.369
do that you’ve not only lost the midterms
you’ve lost the planet right now right now

0:41:51.369,0:42:01.309
there’s a bill it’s called build back better
stop stripping it bump it up to 3.5 to 6 trillion

0:42:01.309,0:42:06.680
and make it about climate change right now
you will not get another chance why are you

0:42:06.680,0:42:14.319
wasting our time in glasgow at this summit
the framework you introduced you and pelosi

0:42:14.319,0:42:21.079
introduced last week it’s going to get us
killed because it’s really the last chance

0:42:21.079,0:42:28.749
we have to to to marshall the democrats to
vote on something it’s not enough it’s going

0:42:28.749,0:42:32.800
to get us killed there’s nothing you’re going
to bring back from glasgow that you’re going

0:42:32.800,0:42:39.869
to be able to get past in the senate or the
house last week you you stripped build back

0:42:39.869,0:42:49.489
better you’re providing tax provisions protecting
natural gas the largest producer of methane

0:42:49.489,0:42:55.119
that’s in buildback better natural gas has
to stay in the ground spending money on carbon

0:42:55.119,0:43:05.499
capture you can’t capture carbon period you
don’t transition away from fossil fuels with

0:43:05.499,0:43:12.990
tax incentives when the the planet is hotter
has been hotter for the past seven years than

0:43:12.990,0:43:19.630
it’s ever been in the history of this planet
you you pour billions into renewables right

0:43:19.630,0:43:31.030
now and you make sure that not a single tax
dollar goes towards coal natural gas oil or

0:43:31.030,0:43:38.759
drilling it’s right now if you don’t feel
the urgency joe biden you’re getting us killed

0:43:38.759,0:43:44.230
what are you doing in glasgow you’re flying
around the world as though when it comes to

0:43:44.230,0:43:49.650
climate change the world has something to
do with it it’s america that’s heating up

0:43:49.650,0:43:57.680
the planet it’s congress it’s the republican
party it’s joe manchin joe biden they’re destroying

0:43:57.680,0:44:06.099
the planet we do all the damage to this earth
washington dc you don’t need to go to glasgow

0:44:06.099,0:44:12.769
you solve climate change by beating mansion
and the republicans the climate has about

0:44:12.769,0:44:16.880
four we’re going to be talking about this
later on the show the climate has four years

0:44:16.880,0:44:27.519
left you’re not going to be introducing anything
after build back better that’s remotely close

0:44:27.519,0:44:34.660
to altering man’s contribution to climate
change when i say man’s contribution to climate

0:44:34.660,0:44:41.539
change i mean america’s so stop wasting time
joe biden fly back to the dc and fight for

0:44:41.539,0:44:47.009
buildback better and stuff back into it all
the climate change provisions you stripped

0:44:47.009,0:44:54.999
out of it last week jesus christ it’s all
for show it’s all this whole climate summit

0:44:54.999,0:45:02.220
is for show joe biden is alec baldwin he wants
it both ways he thinks he can have it both

0:45:02.220,0:45:08.230
ways he wants to be our ally our friend he
insists that he’s the one who should speak

0:45:08.230,0:45:16.099
for us because he’s on our side but he’s getting
us killed he’s getting us killed at least

0:45:16.099,0:45:21.700
joe manchin is up front joe manchin says he
wants to kill us so we know who the enemy

0:45:21.700,0:45:35.020
is but biden like baldwin nice guy but evil
evil because they try to trick us into trusting

0:45:35.020,0:45:42.259
them and they’re bad people they’re damaged
people the summit is complete horseshit that

0:45:42.259,0:45:51.480
movie rust was complete horseshit and it gets
people killed you waste people’s time you

0:45:51.480,0:45:58.309
waste people’s money you screw the working
people and you get us killed how important

0:45:58.309,0:46:06.210
could this summit in glasgow possibly be if
jeff bezos and bill gates are in attendance

0:46:06.210,0:46:13.039
we don’t save the planet until we stop listening
to bill gates and force him to pay his fair

0:46:13.039,0:46:19.859
share of taxes and shut down his philanthropic
endeavor which is nothing more than a tax

0:46:19.859,0:46:27.750
dodge he’s set aside 60 billion dollars and
that endowment keeps growing he’s supposed

0:46:27.750,0:46:33.630
to be giving it away he why why why is bill
gates’s endowment for the bill and melinda

0:46:33.630,0:46:38.809
gates foundation larger today than it was
when it first started isn’t he supposed to

0:46:38.809,0:46:46.019
be giving that money away we don’t save the
planet until we put amazon out of business

0:46:46.019,0:46:52.970
think of that roll of toilet paper you ordered
from amazon yesterday and all the greenhouse

0:46:52.970,0:47:00.000
gas is produced because you’re too lazy to
walk to the store and of course amazon and

0:47:00.000,0:47:08.030
bill gates are helping to recall council member
kashama sawant on december 7th 2021 on what

0:47:08.030,0:47:15.619
grounds why is kishama sawant the first socialist
in nearly a century to be elected to the seattle

0:47:15.619,0:47:23.800
city council why is she of all people getting
recalled what did she do well this has been

0:47:23.800,0:47:30.140
going on for more than a year count one this
is i read the statement on why she must be

0:47:30.140,0:47:38.789
recalled she’s been reelected twice she’s
accused of delegating city employment decisions

0:47:38.789,0:47:46.170
to a political organization outside city government
so i’m guessing that political organization

0:47:46.170,0:47:56.450
would be the socialist party perhaps she threw
what uh a party and hired a caterer that was

0:47:56.450,0:48:04.150
a member of the of the democratic socialists
as opposed to amazon which is also a political

0:48:04.150,0:48:14.099
organization funding candidates getting jobs
from the government and sponsoring her recall

0:48:14.099,0:48:22.769
how is it legal to give money to amazon to
build uh network webs for the pentagon and

0:48:22.769,0:48:28.239
then they turn around and are allowed to make
political contributions to our candidates

0:48:28.239,0:48:34.829
how is that legal but we have to recall

0:48:34.829,0:48:44.869
because she maybe hired somebody who was a
socialist uh the recall point two they say

0:48:44.869,0:48:52.190
point two she should be recalled because of
her violating state orders regarding covid19

0:48:52.190,0:49:00.220
when she allowed hundreds of protesters inside
seattle city hall in june of 2020 to protest

0:49:00.220,0:49:07.089
and and i saw the pictures and you know there
were so many coveted protocols being violated

0:49:07.089,0:49:13.950
for a second there i thought it was an amazon
fulfillment warehouse all of a sudden seattle’s

0:49:13.950,0:49:20.440
worried about covert protocols if you if you’re
worried about following covet protocols tax

0:49:20.440,0:49:29.569
jeff bezos and amazon into oblivion the third
count for recalling her is she encouraged

0:49:29.569,0:49:36.930
voters to protest the police those are the
grounds for the recall that’s december 7th

0:49:36.930,0:49:43.960
2021 in seattle and we’re we’re going to be
following the efforts to recall council member

0:49:43.960,0:49:48.880
kishana sawant that’s december 7th 2021 follow
her on twitter

0:49:48.880,0:49:58.079
s-a-w-a-n-t and uh if you’re an american citizen
give her money and if you know anybody in

0:49:58.079,0:50:07.640
seattle make sure they vote not to recall
her meanwhile in buffalo buffalo new york

0:50:07.640,0:50:16.339
india walton she’s a former nurse and a socialist
she already won the race for mayor in buffalo

0:50:16.339,0:50:22.049
earlier this year she won the democratic primary
which means she won the race she beat the

0:50:22.049,0:50:28.960
four-term incumbent mayor byron brown in the
democratic primary and because buffalo is

0:50:28.960,0:50:36.520
a democratic city that means tuesday’s election
should just be a formality like it is in new

0:50:36.520,0:50:42.599
york city eric adams is going to get elected
mayor because he won the primary uh earlier

0:50:42.599,0:50:49.770
earlier in the year but it’s not a formality
in buffalo democratic mayor myron brown who

0:50:49.770,0:50:57.940
lost is running as a write-in candidate to
defeat the socialists in dia india walton

0:50:57.940,0:51:03.619
who won the democratic primary people ask
me why do you have faith in the democratic

0:51:03.619,0:51:11.759
party because people like india walton are
are socialists who worm their way into it

0:51:11.759,0:51:20.900
and win like bernie sort of kind of like bernie
she’s getting no support from the democratic

0:51:20.900,0:51:26.220
establishment in new york state new york governor
kathy hoechel she’s the new york governor

0:51:26.220,0:51:36.880
she replaced andrew cuomo and so she’s not
supporting india walton and this piece of

0:51:36.880,0:51:41.650
human excrement j jacobs he’s the chairman
of the new york state democratic committee

0:51:41.650,0:51:51.779
he has not endorsed india walton to his credit
senate majority leader chuck schumer has endorsed

0:51:51.779,0:52:00.369
india walton and gillibrand the other senator
from new york has endorsed india walden as

0:52:00.369,0:52:07.180
i said the chairman of new york’s democratic
committee jay jacobs said he wouldn’t endorse

0:52:07.180,0:52:12.400
india walton he said he wouldn’t endorse her
for the same reason he wouldn’t expect republicans

0:52:12.400,0:52:21.089
to endorse former kkk leader david duke when
he ran on the republican ticket in louisiana

0:52:21.089,0:52:28.359
that’s who’s running the democratic party
here in new york state somebody who equates

0:52:28.359,0:52:37.359
india walton to david duke so hopefully on
tuesday india walton will be the new mayor

0:52:37.359,0:52:47.279
of buffalo former nurse she is a nurse you’re
always a nurse and a uh and a socialist very

0:52:47.279,0:52:56.749
inspiring we’ll see if she can beat the establishment
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0:53:05.180,0:53:16.339
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0:53:47.039,0:53:54.119
we’re going to talk about movies and television
most of what you see on television and in

0:53:54.119,0:54:00.249
the movies is garbage most of the music you
listen to is garbage i know john ross is going

0:54:00.249,0:54:09.900
to challenge me on this uh but most of what
you see on television and in the movies is

0:54:09.900,0:54:19.019
garbage because it’s not about class struggle
it’s not about the plight of the poor when

0:54:19.019,0:54:24.119
you think about the fact that nearly a half
of this country more than half of this country

0:54:24.119,0:54:32.670
doesn’t have the cash to come up with a 400
medical bill if you’re not talking about the

0:54:32.670,0:54:42.069
plight of the poor you’re really not talking
about anything important and when i do see

0:54:42.069,0:54:49.549
documentaries or shows that discuss the plight
of the poor there’s always some kind of moral

0:54:49.549,0:55:00.960
ambiguity because what gets passed off as
political and caring just doesn’t seem to

0:55:00.960,0:55:11.319
offer up the real solidarity that comes with
unions i don’t think you can solve poverty

0:55:11.319,0:55:18.410
unless you have a group of people who give
a full-throated endorsement of unions we’re

0:55:18.410,0:55:23.239
seeing well we just celebrated striketober
we’re seeing more and more strikes around

0:55:23.239,0:55:32.359
the country but it’s down to six percent six
percent of the private sector is a uh our

0:55:32.359,0:55:41.160
union it used to be nearly a quarter of uh
the workers reunion uh if you’re not talking

0:55:41.160,0:55:50.890
about unions then you’re not talking about
jobs and again it brings me back to what’s

0:55:50.890,0:55:59.999
going on with alec baldwin it’s the coverage
is not about the fact that it was a non-union

0:55:59.999,0:56:08.630
set uh so i have a i have a serious problem
with people who presume to speak for the rank

0:56:08.630,0:56:15.119
and file for for the for the left when they’re
anything but you know these multi-millionaires

0:56:15.119,0:56:23.559
like alec baldwin uh they present themselves
as spokesman for you know the left of center

0:56:23.559,0:56:29.799
and uh baldwin when he put out that instagram
message he you know he attacked the bush family

0:56:29.799,0:56:36.380
and he attacked the war in iraq but at the
same time he makes allowances for colin powell

0:56:36.380,0:56:44.249
he makes room for moral ambiguity that’s what
art does when it is avoiding the question

0:56:44.249,0:56:50.910
of unions if you think the war in iraq was
a crime against humanity there’s no moral

0:56:50.910,0:56:57.319
ambiguity then colin powell committed a crime
against humanity if you think me lie was a

0:56:57.319,0:57:02.839
crime against humanity there’s no moral ambiguity
colin powell committed a crime against humanity

0:57:02.839,0:57:11.089
by covering up me lie there’s no gray area
you can’t present yourself as a friend of

0:57:11.089,0:57:18.180
ayatse while you’re recording an instagram
message from a hotel room that was also promised

0:57:18.180,0:57:24.289
to your fellow ayatsi workers but then when
they showed up on the set of rust they were

0:57:24.289,0:57:31.890
told no we lied you’re staying at a hotel
50 miles away it’s crappier and you’re gonna

0:57:31.890,0:57:38.319
have to drive 50 miles after working a 14-hour
day alec baldwin screwed the unions at the

0:57:38.319,0:57:44.619
very least you could have stayed if he found
out that the rank and file was getting screwed

0:57:44.619,0:57:53.239
and being forced to stay at a hotel in albuquerque
your friend of the working folk you you go

0:57:53.239,0:58:01.180
with the working folk and stay at the crappy
hotel in albuquerque and show solidarity with

0:58:01.180,0:58:07.589
the union but there’s moral ambiguity no no
i need to be up early i’m the star of the

0:58:07.589,0:58:12.619
show i need to meet with the other writer
and the director i can’t be 50 miles away

0:58:12.619,0:58:19.880
he’ll he’ll tell you why he can’t show solidarity
with ayatsi and he’ll very could be very convincing

0:58:19.880,0:58:27.530
as to why his heart is with his fellow rank
and file as they’re driving after a 14-hour

0:58:27.530,0:58:33.890
day at three in the morning 50 miles to a
shitty hotel in albuquerque alec baldwin screwed

0:58:33.890,0:58:40.670
the unions that’s what he did on the set of
rust and he got caught because he ended up

0:58:40.670,0:58:46.730
killing somebody the only reason that cinematographer
is dead is because he screwed the unions that’s

0:58:46.730,0:58:53.249
what hollywood does it screws unions that’s
its business model destroy the union and make

0:58:53.249,0:59:01.589
everyone complicit everyone is complicit in
destroying the union including the union that’s

0:59:01.589,0:59:11.279
how hollywood works how many television shows
how many movies tell the story of a poor person

0:59:11.279,0:59:22.599
who rises above adversity by sheer virtue
of persistence but never about getting help

0:59:22.599,0:59:29.710
from a union right it’s this hyper individualistic
story always of a poor person who against

0:59:29.710,0:59:36.540
all odds pulls himself up by his bootstraps
and makes it on his own and every time they

0:59:36.540,0:59:42.269
make a movie like that they’re screwing the
unions i’d like to see one movie that came

0:59:42.269,0:59:48.150
out this year that shows somebody who came
out of adversity and now can feed himself

0:59:48.150,0:59:55.730
and has a family and can send his kids to
college because of a union look i relate to

0:59:55.730,1:00:03.000
alec baldwin i don’t mean to beat up on him
but he presumed to speak for me when he went

1:00:03.000,1:00:10.109
on instagram and said he was for iatsi so
i get it he’s got a big mouth and and he’s

1:00:10.109,1:00:17.249
got rage issues i understand him he burns
bridges in hollywood uh i flood tunnels in

1:00:17.249,1:00:23.269
hollywood i don’t like to burn bridges i’m
not as talented or rich by any imagination

1:00:23.269,1:00:29.250
as alec baldwin but i do understand i know
what it’s like not to be able to keep your

1:00:29.250,1:00:37.299
mouth shut i also know what it’s like to be
incredibly stupid and i share his stupidity

1:00:37.299,1:00:46.799
and uh but he’s got to pay a price for misleading
himself and the american worker for presuming

1:00:46.799,1:00:55.809
to speak for us when he’s not on our side
and he thinks he can do damage control right

1:00:55.809,1:01:01.720
now and you know the paparazzi was chasing
him in vermont over the weekend and he and

1:01:01.720,1:01:07.750
his wife hopped out of the car and he’s stupid
he can’t keep his mouth shut and he thinks

1:01:07.750,1:01:13.430
he’s smart enough to do damn damage control
and by by speaking every time he opens his

1:01:13.430,1:01:21.500
mouth he’s revealing what a charlatan he and
everybody who’s on the management side of

1:01:21.500,1:01:32.779
show business are so he shines a light on
a corrupt economic system populated by people

1:01:32.779,1:01:41.519
who can only succeed by being deceivers and
alec baldwin is a deceiver he deceived us

1:01:41.519,1:01:49.809
he tries to present himself as a pro-union
leftist and he’s screwing the unions he wants

1:01:49.809,1:01:56.289
us to believe he’s on our side he’s not he’s
management he’s a multi-millionaire and here’s

1:01:56.289,1:02:00.599
where it’s going to get a little complicated
but trust me you need to pay attention to

1:02:00.599,1:02:10.209
this he’s a multi-millionaire and it’s not
just dishonest to claim he’s a union guy to

1:02:10.209,1:02:16.500
claim he’s a member of sag-aftra when alec
baldwin identifies publicly with the rank

1:02:16.500,1:02:26.380
and file what he leaves out is he is destroying
the unions he is destroying unions and i’m

1:02:26.380,1:02:34.589
about to back this up he makes it worse because
he’s convinced himself everyone around him

1:02:34.589,1:02:43.239
that he’s an ally of the unions he is not
an ally of the unions he is a destroyer of

1:02:43.239,1:02:54.729
unions especially his sag-aftra he is a destroyer
of sag-aftra forget a artsy now now it’s going

1:02:54.729,1:03:02.040
to get really difficult for alec baldwin this
is about to get really ugly for alec baldwin

1:03:02.040,1:03:10.269
because i’m going to explain to you why alec
baldwin destroys his own union let’s discuss

1:03:10.269,1:03:20.839
rust this might be a little complicated so
i’m gonna try to go slowly on this

1:03:20.839,1:03:29.859
so try to pay attention alec baldwin took
a producer credit on russ this was the small

1:03:29.859,1:03:35.359
little independent movie that was being made
for eight million dollars that’s not a small

1:03:35.359,1:03:42.650
independent movie by the way the eight million
that we know of and as i said before he was

1:03:42.650,1:03:50.479
probably there’s no question that he was getting
a piece of the back end i suspect he was getting

1:03:50.479,1:03:56.190
a piece of the front end in other words you
get a finder’s fee for helping to raise eight

1:03:56.190,1:04:02.839
million dollars okay so he was taking the
story he tells himself and everyone around

1:04:02.839,1:04:09.240
him is that he was working for for scale union
scale union scale is the least amount of money

1:04:09.240,1:04:16.959
that the union has to pay you that’s what
scale is union scale is the union has what

1:04:16.959,1:04:24.999
is called an mba a minimum basic agreement
and at the very least they have to pay you

1:04:24.999,1:04:33.650
scale and pay into your health care fund not
your own individual health care but the pool

1:04:33.650,1:04:41.609
the health care pool so you can ensure other
actors and your pension not your own individual

1:04:41.609,1:04:48.089
pension a pension pool it’s kind of like social
security and medicare where the really successful

1:04:48.089,1:04:55.410
people earn more and they pay more into health
care and the pension right somebody like alec

1:04:55.410,1:05:02.809
baldwin who’s a successful multi-millionaire
actor he gets more as an actor so sag after

1:05:02.809,1:05:11.229
takes a bigger cut off his paycheck so that
that money is placed in a pool for less successful

1:05:11.229,1:05:18.450
actors so they can have health insurance so
they can have a pension when they retire it’s

1:05:18.450,1:05:27.910
identical to how medicare and social security
is set up got it okay he’s destroying his

1:05:27.910,1:05:32.700
union and he’s

1:05:32.700,1:05:39.180
i’m gonna hold my tongue here you decide what
he’s doing to his fellow rank and file okay

1:05:39.180,1:05:45.470
he was the star of the movie and a writer
on the movie which means his fees should be

1:05:45.470,1:05:53.099
going into the writer’s guild and sag after
he should be paid through those two unions

1:05:53.099,1:05:59.819
but he’s also listed as a producer okay he’s
also listed as a producer if you go back and

1:05:59.819,1:06:05.579
listen to last tuesday’s show i explained
how he was most likely collecting most of

1:06:05.579,1:06:14.019
his fee as a producer he got you know he got
a cut of the back end cut of the initial investment

1:06:14.019,1:06:19.400
i’m not gonna go into this again but trust
me he’s not spending a month alec baldwin

1:06:19.400,1:06:26.509
is not spending a month in new mexico for
aftra sag-aftra and writer’s guild scale right

1:06:26.509,1:06:34.660
he’s not going there to make the bare minimum
he’s got boats homes children nannies that

1:06:34.660,1:06:41.529
costs a lot of money last-minute trips to
posh ski resorts in vermont because he accidentally

1:06:41.529,1:06:47.839
killed someone and needs to hide from the
paparazzi that costs money the day after the

1:06:47.839,1:06:55.249
shooting his wife took the beast this big
cadillac up to vermont uh where he joined

1:06:55.249,1:07:01.130
her he’s got lots and lots of kids that’s
mobilizing an army i wish him well i wish

1:07:01.130,1:07:07.589
his family i wish them all well he requires
a lot of money plus he wants to leave his

1:07:07.589,1:07:15.940
kids lots of money he wasn’t in new mexico
for a month working after a scale i’m not

1:07:15.940,1:07:22.650
attacking him personally i’m just telling
you that he’s a fraud and because he’s a fraud

1:07:22.650,1:07:29.979
somebody ended up getting killed he and his
wife use social media to present themselves

1:07:29.979,1:07:38.700
as uh as you know as a branding exercise they
offer up this distorted view of their reality

1:07:38.700,1:07:46.799
one that suggests to the 99 percent that alec
and his family’s lives are just like ours

1:07:46.799,1:07:53.570
that they are one of us but they are not they
are not and they do a disservice to the 99

1:07:53.570,1:08:02.229
with these branding exercises on instagram
they create a psychological dysmorphia where

1:08:02.229,1:08:10.049
we blame ourselves for not eating well for
not exercising we blame we look at his wife

1:08:10.049,1:08:16.890
and the yoga instruction and and we watch
them living living their life to the fullest

1:08:16.890,1:08:23.929
being their best selves and it’s our fault
because like goop and gwyneth paltrow all

1:08:23.929,1:08:30.429
we lack is their discipline to look and feel
the way they do now quite frankly it takes

1:08:30.429,1:08:38.150
a union job alec baldwin to live our best
lives and you alec baldwin are denying us

1:08:38.150,1:08:48.359
a union job to live our best lives to eat
well to sleep well to find time to exercise

1:08:48.359,1:08:59.819
requires an eight hour day not a 14 hour day
which rust was forcing the crew to work why

1:08:59.819,1:09:07.460
does rust have to be shot 14 hours a day well
the producers and alec baldwin will say we’re

1:09:07.460,1:09:17.239
just so excited about this project we just
have to keep working come on work ayatsi until

1:09:17.239,1:09:24.750
we fire you work scabs work 14-hour days because
we’re so we’re so passionate about our art

1:09:24.750,1:09:35.710
[ __ ] 14-hour work days are exploitation
that’s how you squeeze more work out of people

1:09:35.710,1:09:42.889
and i’m sorry but i am sick and tired of incredibly
rich pricks like alec baldwin using social

1:09:42.889,1:09:50.900
media to tell us that they have the same struggles
as the rest of us right now i’m i’m supposed

1:09:50.900,1:09:58.300
to worry that alec baldwin has ptsd i’m sick
and tired of dak shepard and kristen bell

1:09:58.300,1:10:04.750
and their publicists who keep flooding my
news feed with stories about their their how

1:10:04.750,1:10:11.540
cute they are about their their relationship
and the problems they have raising their children

1:10:11.540,1:10:17.219
and bath time and depression i have to hear
about kristen bell’s depression i love it

1:10:17.219,1:10:22.869
when multi-millionaire celebrities open up
to us about their depression but they couldn’t

1:10:22.869,1:10:30.350
care less that 99 of americans can’t treat
their depression or their addiction without

1:10:30.350,1:10:36.720
going through their entire life savings you
know what would help people with their addiction

1:10:36.720,1:10:43.060
in their depression unions union healthcare
the kind of union healthcare that alec baldwin

1:10:43.060,1:10:52.449
gets from sag after that his entire family
gets from sag-aftra but most actors don’t

1:10:52.449,1:11:00.091
because alec baldwin doesn’t pay enough into
sag-aftra he works for scale so the union

1:11:00.091,1:11:05.610
doesn’t get the skim he gets a producer credit
where the bulk of his money goes to which

1:11:05.610,1:11:13.530
deprives the union of that skim off the top
to help fellow actors the fellow rank and

1:11:13.530,1:11:26.239
file get health care and pension alec baldwin
is completely full as [ __ ]

1:11:26.239,1:11:32.250
talking about his depression his anger issues
only it it his money is with hedge funds the

1:11:32.250,1:11:40.150
hedge fund the same hedge funds and private
equity people who invested in rust also invest

1:11:40.150,1:11:47.130
in those for profit mental health and addiction
treatment centers they have no intention of

1:11:47.130,1:11:53.300
providing free psychiatric psychological treatment
to the american people there’s money to be

1:11:53.300,1:12:01.260
made in investing in addiction centers i’m
not picking on megan and harry i wish them

1:12:01.260,1:12:07.530
well or oprah or kirsten bell or dax shepherd
maybe jack shepherd i could do without him

1:12:07.530,1:12:13.610
or alec baldwin i’m not picking on alec baldwin
but they are liars they are deceiving you

1:12:13.610,1:12:22.380
they do not identify with the people whose
who they’re selling tickets to they want your

1:12:22.380,1:12:29.010
money they want you to buy their [ __ ] but
they don’t identify with you they have publicists

1:12:29.010,1:12:34.760
to make it look like they identify with you
they are not you they don’t speak but they

1:12:34.760,1:12:44.429
presume to speak for you they’ve infiltrated
the democratic party like a cancer and they

1:12:44.429,1:12:51.370
view us as their servants i guarantee you
right now alec baldwin is spending more on

1:12:51.370,1:12:58.590
his hideaway vacation right now in vermont
than he would ever have spent hiring a union

1:12:58.590,1:13:08.699
crew on rust he is spending more this week
at that posh ski resort to get centered after

1:13:08.699,1:13:16.280
killing somebody than he would have ever spent
on a union crew on rust and had he spent that

1:13:16.280,1:13:22.380
money on a union crew on rust that cinematographer
would still be alive today and he wouldn’t

1:13:22.380,1:13:27.469
need to be hiding from the paparazzi but the
media won’t make that leap they won’t make

1:13:27.469,1:13:35.550
that connection because the media is anti-union
money is no object when it comes to for alec

1:13:35.550,1:13:41.090
to service that that that beast that that
cadillac i saw his wife driving with the kids

1:13:41.090,1:13:47.570
and the nanny and the ski resort and the new
clothes that alec had to buy at the ralph

1:13:47.570,1:13:53.620
lauren outlet up in vermont because he flew
to vermont at the last minute he didn’t pack

1:13:53.620,1:14:00.270
anything he didn’t think twice about spending
all that kind of money but when i at sea when

1:14:00.270,1:14:06.219
union people whose lives depend upon it are
asked to be paid not just paid union wages

1:14:06.219,1:14:11.510
but to get paid they weren’t getting paid
when they demanded to get paid they couldn’t

1:14:11.510,1:14:17.910
get paid when they demanded safer working
conditions and walked off the police called

1:14:17.910,1:14:22.949
the police the producer pickles miss pickle
called the police and escorted them off the

1:14:22.949,1:14:25.520
set

1:14:25.520,1:14:34.540
they don’t have the money so the crew can
survive but when you’re at that posh ski resort

1:14:34.540,1:14:43.219
trying to get centered after you kill somebody
money is no object money is no object you

1:14:43.219,1:14:50.290
knew you had a non-union dga scab handing
you that hot pistol you’re 63 years old you

1:14:50.290,1:14:58.030
didn’t check it what’s the cost of that hoe
that vermont vermont hotel costing you alec

1:14:58.030,1:15:04.230
what is it 2009 you got how many how big is
your family what does it cost for that army

1:15:04.230,1:15:10.989
to mobilize and move to vermont to hide from
the paparazzi 2000 a night just for the room

1:15:10.989,1:15:19.429
the rooms and the nanny and the gas on that
cadillac mr environmentalists you don’t think

1:15:19.429,1:15:26.440
twice about that but the people who make sure
you’re safe who make sure you don’t end up

1:15:26.440,1:15:29.730
shooting someone

1:15:29.730,1:15:36.820
you don’t care about paying them what what
they deserve what they’re owed so my heart

1:15:36.820,1:15:41.699
goes out to alec and his family but he is
the enemy and we’re never going to get anywhere

1:15:41.699,1:15:46.820
in this country until we start looking at
people like alec baldwin as the enemy he’s

1:15:46.820,1:15:54.179
a multi-millionaire who took the producer
credit he took the pursuit producer’s credit

1:15:54.179,1:16:01.239
and he hired scabs and ended up killing somebody
when are we going to look at them the same

1:16:01.239,1:16:10.010
way they look at us he’s the enemy he can’t
make his movies without us and he didn’t want

1:16:10.010,1:16:17.780
to pay iotc wages he didn’t care if they got
health insurance or a pension fund how can

1:16:17.780,1:16:26.280
he not be the enemy especially when he presumes
to speak for the rank and file especially

1:16:26.280,1:16:34.360
when he goes on instagram and danes to opine
on whether or not ayatsi should go on strike

1:16:34.360,1:16:42.530
he gave them permission to go on strike while
he’s screwing the union he’s he’s a pretender

1:16:42.530,1:16:48.469
like all of them he likes to hang out in the
ghetto but not sleep there he doesn’t sleep

1:16:48.469,1:16:55.820
in the shitty motel in albuquerque he goes
back to the nice hotel and records an instagram

1:16:55.820,1:17:02.610
message saying i’m with you i’m with the people
of ayatse even though they’re in a hotel 50

1:17:02.610,1:17:10.130
miles away they dress like us but they are
not us they do not have the same worries as

1:17:10.130,1:17:18.179
we do their depression their mental illness
isn’t the same as ours our rage issues are

1:17:18.179,1:17:26.040
not the same as alec baldwin’s our depression
comes from worrying about money our anxiety

1:17:26.040,1:17:33.090
our anger our sadness our psychological issues
come from worrying about housing and food

1:17:33.090,1:17:40.150
and being taken advantage of by hypocrites
like alec baldwin who claim to be on our side

1:17:40.150,1:17:48.389
and are screwing us alec baldwin’s depression
is i have all this money and i’m still angry

1:17:48.389,1:17:55.340
and sad those are different problems and like
i said earlier he can afford to get those

1:17:55.340,1:18:01.630
problems treated because he has health insurance
he has sag after health insurance that he

1:18:01.630,1:18:11.159
screws his fellow actors out of he screws
his fellow actors out of health insurance

1:18:11.159,1:18:17.730
by taking a producer credit by running all
his fees through that producer credit and

1:18:17.730,1:18:26.920
not through sag-aftra not through the writer’s
guild if those fees were run through the union

1:18:26.920,1:18:34.460
then the union would be skimming a percentage
off and that money would go into a fund for

1:18:34.460,1:18:45.170
actors who who haven’t made enough to qualify
for health insurance in sag after so what

1:18:45.170,1:18:51.840
happens they have to raise the threshold to
qualify for health insurance and sag after

1:18:51.840,1:19:00.489
he is destroying lives by taking a producer
credit and not running the money through the

1:19:00.489,1:19:08.260
actors union he is screwing his fellow actor
and and what’s so satanic about it he presents

1:19:08.260,1:19:14.280
himself as one of us oh i’m just working for
after scale you know i’m working for after

1:19:14.280,1:19:20.110
scale because i want to make sure that there’s
enough money in the budget to hire other actors

1:19:20.110,1:19:28.130
f you alec baldwin your children will go off
and pretend to be poor they’ll go off to private

1:19:28.130,1:19:34.730
schools those elite private colleges and then
they’ll dress and act like they’re from the

1:19:34.730,1:19:41.909
street to make it look like they made it completely
on their own even though everything they own

1:19:41.909,1:19:47.210
isn’t theirs they didn’t earn a penny they
didn’t earn their college degree they didn’t

1:19:47.210,1:19:58.560
earn anything alec baldwin and his ilk the
gwyneth paltrows the the uh the dak shepherds

1:19:58.560,1:20:10.030
they they their spawn is corrupted by these
horrible values that turn them away from humanity

1:20:10.030,1:20:17.449
alec baldwin only cares about himself and
if they’re lucky his family and you know they

1:20:17.449,1:20:22.840
you watch them on instagram pretending to
be middle class people who dress up for halloween

1:20:22.840,1:20:29.239
and they like burgers and fries and and the
same kind of candy we like they act like they’re

1:20:29.239,1:20:35.510
poor because in america we’ve given up on
the idea that anyone can be rich now it’s

1:20:35.510,1:20:44.349
anyone can be poor especially the rich they
love acting and dressing ghetto i love that

1:20:44.349,1:20:50.650
bruce springsteen and barack obama have this
podcast talking about their emotional struggles

1:20:50.650,1:20:58.239
as though their struggles are identical to
ours here is the bottom line the rich are

1:20:58.239,1:21:06.179
not going to save you stop thinking that bruce
springsteen barack obama alec baldwin is going

1:21:06.179,1:21:14.119
to save you stop thinking that anybody who
is rich or famous is going to help you because

1:21:14.119,1:21:19.599
they’re not going to help you they’re going
to destroy you they’re going to get you killed

1:21:19.599,1:21:27.570
they are going to replace a union crew with
a non-union crew and get handed a a prop gun

1:21:27.570,1:21:34.400
by a dga scab who insists it’s cold when it’s
hot and the cinematographer will die that

1:21:34.400,1:21:42.969
cinematographer died because rich and famous
people get us killed because they do not care

1:21:42.969,1:21:50.150
about us we are their servants they are the
enemy trust me the rich and famous want to

1:21:50.150,1:21:56.610
keep you poor and anonymous and that includes
bruce springsteen and barack obama and that’s

1:21:56.610,1:22:05.030
why alec baldwin had no problem that day with
the police escorting those ayatsi workers

1:22:05.030,1:22:13.239
off the set that day and replacing them with
scabs he knew they were scabs he knew it was

1:22:13.239,1:22:19.489
a scab handing him that loaded pistol he knows
that you need an armorer on the set whose

1:22:19.489,1:22:27.880
union that cinematographer would be alive
today if alec baldwin weren’t greedy and completely

1:22:27.880,1:22:31.650
full of [ __ ]

1:22:31.650,1:22:38.590
and he’s a deceiver and he will insist money
and fame isn’t who he is it’s exactly who

1:22:38.590,1:22:45.360
alec baldwin is it’s exactly who he is you
don’t become rich by accident and you certainly

1:22:45.360,1:22:52.010
don’t become famous by accident you get rich
by saying iraq was a human rights disaster

1:22:52.010,1:22:58.780
because that sounds good but colin powell
was a hero and it’s complicated you get rich

1:22:58.780,1:23:08.590
by insisting there’s moral ambiguity on the
most important issues of our time like unions

1:23:08.590,1:23:13.449
there is right and there is wrong there are
allies and there are enemies and i am telling

1:23:13.449,1:23:23.320
you alec baldwin and every producer on that
set is your enemy there’s no moral ambiguity

1:23:23.320,1:23:29.271
nancy pelosi joe biden is your enemy if you’re
a member of the democratic party this is your

1:23:29.271,1:23:34.949
enemy if joe biden is off in glasgow right
now pretending he’s trying to solve climate

1:23:34.949,1:23:43.010
change when there’s a bill on his desk right
now build back better that is that has the

1:23:43.010,1:23:48.679
green new deal squeezed into it it will cost
three to six trillion dollars he’s a liar

1:23:48.679,1:23:56.449
he’s a deceiver and he’s getting us killed
he’s getting us killed every day that they

1:23:56.449,1:24:06.159
delay significant legislation on climate change
people get killed they are the enemy joe biden

1:24:06.159,1:24:13.320
is the enemy when you gin up a war that kills
a million people by lying to the united nations

1:24:13.320,1:24:20.159
there’s no moral ambiguity if you’re calling
pal alec baldwin seems to think there is colin

1:24:20.159,1:24:25.909
powell is the enemy when you cover up me lie
like colin powell did you’re the enemy there’s

1:24:25.909,1:24:33.559
no moral ambiguity when it comes to firing
union workers and replacing them with scabs

1:24:33.559,1:24:40.650
which side are you on boy you’re either with
labor or we are with management it used to

1:24:40.650,1:24:48.710
be simple it used to be we used to know whose
side people were on baldwin killed somebody

1:24:48.710,1:24:55.739
because he was willing to live with the moral
ambiguity of replacing iot crew members who

1:24:55.739,1:25:02.179
he insisted were his friends until they weren’t
then they were then they had to be replaced

1:25:02.179,1:25:08.570
with new friends who were scabs folks it’s
not just alec baldwin it’s every actor who

1:25:08.570,1:25:16.000
claims to be a member of sag sag-aftra and
then turns around and screws sag-aftra by

1:25:16.000,1:25:22.329
taking a producer credit there is no moral
ambiguity when it comes to answering the question

1:25:22.329,1:25:28.650
which side are you on i have no problems with
the studios they’re exxon mobil they’re not

1:25:28.650,1:25:35.320
our friends i have a serious problem with
actors or writers who take all the benefits

1:25:35.320,1:25:41.429
that come with being a union member the pension
the health insurance and of course the virtue

1:25:41.429,1:25:48.329
of associating with the rank and file and
then while presenting themselves as champions

1:25:48.329,1:25:54.909
of my union they turn their back on that union
and take a producer credit and become part

1:25:54.909,1:26:00.280
of management and the bulk of their money
goes directly to them and not through the

1:26:00.280,1:26:06.409
union and they screw their fellow rank and
file producer credits for actors directors

1:26:06.409,1:26:13.679
and writers they’re not honorariums there
are ways to hide money from the union the

1:26:13.679,1:26:21.099
way it works is you work for scale you make
sure the studio pays you the bare minimum

1:26:21.099,1:26:26.179
either as a director an actor or a writer
you get the bare minimum what’s the least

1:26:26.179,1:26:32.510
amount of money you have to pay me as an actor
then i’ll take the rest of the cash as a producer

1:26:32.510,1:26:37.660
i know this personally because i’ve been forced
to become a producer even though all i wanted

1:26:37.660,1:26:42.760
to do was write but in order to give me a
raise they would only pay my writer’s guild

1:26:42.760,1:26:49.599
minimum and anything above that went to me
as a producer me a producer that way less

1:26:49.599,1:26:56.619
money goes into the writer’s guild which means
the studio or the network or the real producers

1:26:56.619,1:27:02.429
the people who put up the money they have
to pay less into my health fund less into

1:27:02.429,1:27:09.199
my union pension which means my fellow riders
who might not be working that year they have

1:27:09.199,1:27:18.659
a shallower pool to pull from for their health
insurance for their pension got it do you

1:27:18.659,1:27:23.780
understand how this works do you understand
how people like alec baldwin destroy the union

1:27:23.780,1:27:36.040
by working for scale and taking a producer
credit you get you you okay

1:27:36.040,1:27:43.460
it’s just so infuriating how people just twist
the truth for their own benefit alec baldwin

1:27:43.460,1:27:49.750
only working union scale as though that’s
an act of humility it means he gets paid big

1:27:49.750,1:27:58.960
money paid to him as a producer and he’s screwing
the union we need big stars getting paid top

1:27:58.960,1:28:06.800
dollar through the union when they only take
scale and the rest as a producer they are

1:28:06.800,1:28:09.809
screwing those they’re destroying the

1:28:09.809,1:28:16.480
unions all right

1:28:16.480,1:28:20.560
sorry it’s just uh

1:28:20.560,1:28:29.059
so infuriating and it’s just how people buy
into uh

1:28:29.059,1:28:32.730
into these lies

1:28:32.730,1:28:41.989
and i’m watching actors who i know who can’t
meet the threshold for health insurance because

1:28:41.989,1:28:49.400
the pool isn’t big enough they’ve raised you
have to earn something like 26 000 a year

1:28:49.400,1:28:57.190
25 950 in one year or you don’t qualify for
health insurance well most actors don’t earn

1:28:57.190,1:29:04.960
25 950 in one year the reason they had to
raise that is the pool is shallow because

1:29:04.960,1:29:12.349
somebody like john hamm takes a producer credit
on mad men instead of having all his money

1:29:12.349,1:29:16.800
go to him as an actor

1:29:16.800,1:29:17.800
all right uh

1:29:17.800,1:29:34.040
what i’m gonna do now is uh get some water
calm down hopefully we will have uh a conversation

1:29:34.040,1:29:44.170
with jesus did i go that long okay uh we’ll
have a conversation with my friends ethan

1:29:44.170,1:29:50.380
herschenfeld and john ross are they here oh
they are okay so let me do this let me pour

1:29:50.380,1:29:55.429
some water hey dan you want to do community
billboard let’s do community billboard for

1:29:55.429,1:30:02.670
five minutes okay and uh how are you sorry
i got carried away there i’m doing great you

1:30:02.670,1:30:05.520
wanna go get a drink

1:30:05.520,1:30:12.929
no i’m drinking my uh my zero calorie zero
sweetener pineapples there’s a pretentious

1:30:12.929,1:30:21.409
douchebag how are you i’m doing wonderfully
how are you i don’t know just like i i was

1:30:21.409,1:30:26.110
watching mad men last night i see that jon
hamm gets a producer credit and i’m thinking

1:30:26.110,1:30:31.850
oh good so he’s screwing sag after so the
money’s going to him as a producer and not

1:30:31.850,1:30:36.750
through sag after and that’s why they raise
the threshold for health insurance for working

1:30:36.750,1:30:47.300
actors because they want to save money on
uh paying jon hamm it’s complicated it’s complicated

1:30:47.300,1:30:54.780
anyway what’s happening in our community sir
you are you are fired up we’re fired

1:30:54.780,1:31:02.690
um i sent you uh pictures for today’s community
billboard oh good okay i said 5 32 i sent

1:31:02.690,1:31:09.650
them so you could find them tell us what we
have planned for this weekend um we have a

1:31:09.650,1:31:17.420
message from roricky from at weekly marks
and at dailymarks and he says hi dan and david

1:31:17.420,1:31:22.719
we hope you’re both well and that david is
continuing to purge himself of his centrism

1:31:22.719,1:31:30.770
we had a great bit on ricardo this week at
weekly marks with carl na marksman giving

1:31:30.770,1:31:38.050
the dirt on illusions of fixed and circulating
capital i think that was my daughter thanks

1:31:38.050,1:31:46.290
madame comedian feminist marxist and i felt
woman my daughter uh imitated karl marx who

1:31:46.290,1:31:54.159
who does she pretend to be uh the name or
he gave me was carl nah mark’s man oh i would

1:31:54.159,1:31:55.739
have told her

1:31:55.739,1:32:02.800
i told her to be karl marx’s pain in the ass
daughter skid marks but i guess she went in

1:32:02.800,1:32:10.090
another direction okay so do you want a little
more eyebrow than marks okay am i go ahead

1:32:10.090,1:32:16.180
well he also says that this saturday at two
um on office hours and hours our minnesota

1:32:16.180,1:32:25.690
man andy brown presents the university book
on union reading uh virtue orders by professor

1:32:25.690,1:32:30.869
catherine liu and the professor and fellow
minnesotan will join andy brown to discuss

1:32:30.869,1:32:36.849
professional managerial class and its destructive
role in promulgating capitalism and what time

1:32:36.849,1:32:42.869
is that that’s at 2 p.m eastern on office
hours and hours which starts friday night

1:32:42.869,1:32:47.350
at 8 p.m eastern but this is this is going
to be saturday since it’s office hours and

1:32:47.350,1:32:53.090
hours it runs 24 hours maybe we can get ethan
to take a half hour maybe john ross will do

1:32:53.090,1:32:59.270
a half hour maybe i can get professor harvey
i had lunch with harvey jk on saturday in

1:32:59.270,1:33:06.340
new york city oh wow yeah great i’m gonna
try to get him to do a half hour for office

1:33:06.340,1:33:11.659
hours all right so what do we have here my
friend the first picture was uh dried beans

1:33:11.659,1:33:17.820
from glencostic he says hi dan i will be drying
these for later use the vines were 30 feet

1:33:17.820,1:33:24.989
tall and growing on an angle like a hyperbola
and he stir-fried them with onions and garlic

1:33:24.989,1:33:32.250
that is wow that’s great well growing your
own beans wow every time he throws in onions

1:33:32.250,1:33:35.909
and garlic i kind of think he might be throwing
a jab at you because you know you hate them

1:33:35.909,1:33:37.280
i i i

1:33:37.280,1:33:44.040
who’s that from this is from tom weber and
this is a frankenfeldo’s monster

1:33:44.040,1:33:53.989
that looks like uh they try to get looks like
me after the hair plugs they try to transplant

1:33:53.989,1:33:59.409
my eyebrows to the top of my head they tried
to take the hair plugs out by smashing the

1:33:59.409,1:34:02.130
top of your head with a sledgehammer

1:34:02.130,1:34:10.530
okay i like that halloween is over isn’t it
yeah we’re a little late but uh it was a good

1:34:10.530,1:34:15.580
one this is a joseph britton jewelry longtime
listener joe britton has been listening to

1:34:15.580,1:34:22.530
the podcast since very beginning and his website
is josephbrentonjewelry.com he makes all this

1:34:22.530,1:34:27.340
jewelry himself and he’s a fan of the show
so go check him out at josephbrentonjewelry.com

1:34:27.340,1:34:31.989
the holidays are coming and as david always
says if you want to get some lovin you’ve

1:34:31.989,1:34:35.889
got to pay for another gift you gotta pay
for it all right throw some jewelry on it

1:34:35.889,1:34:45.550
put a ring on we have yeah this is from uh
chris and calabrese yeah and this uh piece

1:34:45.550,1:34:52.989
is called democratic coalition and uh kristen
her her name otherwise known as uh chartreuse

1:34:52.989,1:34:57.599
in the david feldman universe i love that
yep and this is a painting which it looks

1:34:57.599,1:35:03.580
like a chalkboard oh grave i can’t believe
it she’s so great the gallery that’s going

1:35:03.580,1:35:10.099
on is called af projects and her painting
show is called how things feel and the hours

1:35:10.099,1:35:16.110
are tuesday through saturday 11-5 in california
and the show runs through the 21st and the

1:35:16.110,1:35:24.360
address of the gallery is 7503 west sunset
boulevard los angeles and the url for the

1:35:24.360,1:35:29.860
website is www www.afprojects.com

1:35:29.860,1:35:38.690
right we should uh and people should buy her
stuff she is so great uh and finally uh this

1:35:38.690,1:35:46.130
must be a big this is great this is uh ralph
nader with uh with me that must be a big i

1:35:46.130,1:35:48.550
bet he has that on his desk that picture

1:35:48.550,1:35:55.580
he’s probably framed he’s got seven pictures
of his family and that one’s in front of the

1:35:55.580,1:36:00.420
closest to him um this week ralph welcomes
miranda massey the director of the climate

1:36:00.420,1:36:05.489
museum yeah an institution focused on the
intersection of art climate science justice

1:36:05.489,1:36:10.280
and activism that aims to make people feel
that collective action is both possible and

1:36:10.280,1:36:16.340
necessary yes and the only hope we have for
saving the planet plus ralph answers listener

1:36:16.340,1:36:23.030
questions yes we’ve been mentioning uh the
last several weeks asking people to join the

1:36:23.030,1:36:27.239
congress club which if you go to ralph nader
radiohour.com it’s off to the right it’s a

1:36:27.239,1:36:33.920
big blue uh banner you can click on that and
get involved yes please we’re we’re learning

1:36:33.920,1:36:39.710
how to organize through the congress club
we kind of do it but not kind of we do it

1:36:39.710,1:36:46.199
at office hours and people who are interested
in learning how to organize from somebody

1:36:46.199,1:36:51.989
who knows how to organize join congress club
ralph nader’s congress club and we’ll have

1:36:51.989,1:36:58.070
another town hall with ralph uh i don’t know
in another month we’ll he’ll answer your questions

1:36:58.070,1:37:07.100
and give you advice on how to make your congress
people like they’re not really people uh do

1:37:07.100,1:37:14.710
your bidding instead of exxon mobils how do
people reach you sure if you want to send

1:37:14.710,1:37:19.500
anything into the community billboard you
can uh send an email to denver dent feldman

1:37:19.500,1:37:26.280
gmail.com and i wanted to welcome ethan hirschenfeld
and the last time we saw ethan he was uh standing

1:37:26.280,1:37:31.710
around a sex club blowing a bassoon until
2 00.

1:37:31.710,1:37:36.780
also joining him is john ross yeah the last
time we saw him he was uh sitting around a

1:37:36.780,1:37:39.380
submarine drawing stick figures all day

1:37:39.380,1:37:44.739
so long we have to bring mike rowe back thank
you joining us

1:37:44.739,1:37:52.210
did he say what is he saying what did he say
where was i hanging out the whole point is

1:37:52.210,1:37:58.770
it doesn’t matter what he says right in a
sex club blowing a bassoon it’s funny because

1:37:58.770,1:38:02.260
it’s funny you said sex club because i was
just thinking i was just thinking of a brothel

1:38:02.260,1:38:10.560
joke but go ahead uh you should add him blowing
a bassoon until 2 a.m yes and and anyway we

1:38:10.560,1:38:16.270
have to get uh mike rowe back on the show
as soon as possible joining us in i don’t

1:38:16.270,1:38:21.280
know where i would assume maybe both of you
are in massachusetts i know that john ross

1:38:21.280,1:38:29.289
is in deerfield massachusetts he is a brilliant
comedy writer as well as a farmer and ethan

1:38:29.289,1:38:35.489
herschenfeld it’s good to see you on a monday
yes i uh i usually just hang out the six days

1:38:35.489,1:38:40.650
in between our thursday shows just preparing
and writing for our thursday shows right but

1:38:40.650,1:38:44.480
i’m glad you’re having me on for monday to
break up the monotony i’m in brooklyn thug

1:38:44.480,1:38:51.060
thug jew is the name of the special john ross
we’re not we we have time we’re a little behind

1:38:51.060,1:38:57.869
today but what is on your mind sir well i
have breaking news yes uh good news bad news

1:38:57.869,1:39:03.900
uh democrats are very close to a deal they’re
very close to a deal the bad news is the deal

1:39:03.900,1:39:09.690
stipulates that america be 100 coal power

1:39:09.690,1:39:16.139
but it’s a deal we have a deal it’s a deal
the new bill is called build back on rush

1:39:16.139,1:39:21.909
we’re not we i’m sorry i hit the wrong button
say it again hit the wrong button uh you’re

1:39:21.909,1:39:31.829
like a heckler the new bill is called build
back

1:39:31.829,1:39:32.829
the same

1:39:32.829,1:39:38.510
yeah are you ethan your thoughts yeah no my
thought about the uh the brothel i

1:39:38.510,1:39:45.809
whenever i hear that phrase climate action
i think that would have been a great name

1:39:45.809,1:39:52.560
for the very first brothel with ac

1:39:52.560,1:39:57.960
who was the first one do you think where do
you think the the brothel that that takes

1:39:57.960,1:40:03.820
it to do you think there were street walkers
first and then bordellos which came first

1:40:03.820,1:40:11.740
the street walker or the man came first and
then the street walkers were the to-go version

1:40:11.740,1:40:17.789
i i think the the absolute proof that brothels
came first is i think pro brothels pre-date

1:40:17.789,1:40:26.190
streets i think literally before they invented
streets they had prostitutes so right like

1:40:26.190,1:40:33.969
like if you look at pompeii all they uncover
are bordellos yeah they had maybe they they

1:40:33.969,1:40:35.960
had dirt path walkers

1:40:35.960,1:40:42.659
i’m not sure what they used to be also the
problem in pompeii is those processes were

1:40:42.659,1:40:43.840
very stiff

1:40:43.840,1:40:53.380
i mean they barely move they don’t talk that
has to be humiliating though you save up enough

1:40:53.380,1:41:00.070
money and you finally treat yourself to a
bordello and then for all eternity you’re

1:41:00.070,1:41:07.429
just frozen there so tourists throughout millennium
can watch you in a whorehouse that’s got to

1:41:07.429,1:41:11.880
be embarrassing and that’s like every bad
photo on the internet i think we all have

1:41:11.880,1:41:16.390
that it’s our own personal pompe now yeah
that was the original that was the original

1:41:16.390,1:41:22.520
social media called pompeii then facebook
then meta

1:41:22.520,1:41:28.590
well are you optimistic at all about the biden
administration john ross is there anything

1:41:28.590,1:41:33.140
that you see that makes you happy anything
coming maybe from donald trump i mean he may

1:41:33.140,1:41:40.820
kind of you know you know you talk about uh
the horse race yes the horse is dead so

1:41:40.820,1:41:49.489
i don’t know where we go from here it’s it’s
i’m getting pretty nervous i mean it’s it’s

1:41:49.489,1:41:56.849
a bad it used to be the height of hackneyed
uh a political pablum to do airline jokes

1:41:56.849,1:42:01.650
now airline jokes are political because uh
i have to take a flight and i have to choose

1:42:01.650,1:42:06.349
between southwest and queueing on air and
i think it’s going to be a tough choice uh

1:42:06.349,1:42:15.340
maybe i may be flying q and on air before
i fly southwest what so explain what happened

1:42:15.340,1:42:23.729
a pilot on southwest landed the plane and
said let’s go brandon which is code for [ __

1:42:23.729,1:42:30.539
] biden yeah and and what i hear the question
is and probably scarier than that is that

1:42:30.539,1:42:36.159
southwest airlines has not even made a statement
as far as i know they they certainly haven’t

1:42:36.159,1:42:42.250
fired this guy and i think southwest air is
anti-backs and they don’t want to have a vax

1:42:42.250,1:42:48.429
mandate now what i don’t understand about
this pilot like was he stupid enough to think

1:42:48.429,1:42:55.239
hey this is a secret code nobody will know
you know and i’ll just say it and everybody

1:42:55.239,1:43:00.280
who agrees with me will be okay with it but
nobody else will figure out or is it like

1:43:00.280,1:43:05.610
you know brett kavanaugh said that a devil’s
triangle that that’s a drinking game nothing

1:43:05.610,1:43:12.210
to do with this sex thing and we all know
but you can’t bust him because you can’t prove

1:43:12.210,1:43:15.810
that there is no such thing as a drinking
game but we all know the truth so is this

1:43:15.810,1:43:20.170
guy going to go no i have a i have a sick
cousin who has cancer named brandon so i said

1:43:20.170,1:43:24.850
let’s go brandon you can’t prove that’s not
true you know what i mean or was this guy

1:43:24.850,1:43:29.039
going to quit anyway because he didn’t want
to take the the shot and then you just go

1:43:29.039,1:43:34.060
you know what but it’s scary that somebody
is that indoctrinated that in that position

1:43:34.060,1:43:41.849
of authority and power of running a commercial
airline would why not just go on and go along

1:43:41.849,1:43:42.849
with isis

1:43:42.849,1:43:50.270
it’s just terrifying that that’s where we’re
at and that the people sitting in congress

1:43:50.270,1:43:55.079
and that what is it now what is the percentage
of americans who think the election was stolen

1:43:55.079,1:44:01.070
it’s up to something like 40 percent of all
americans or i thought 40 no like 80 percent

1:44:01.070,1:44:08.200
of all people republicans but but of all americans
it’s getting closer to 50

1:44:08.200,1:44:15.489
it’s terrifying wow wow i don’t know what
to do take it away ethan well the good thing

1:44:15.489,1:44:20.090
about q and on airlines um you know about
them uh when whenever you ask them when is

1:44:20.090,1:44:22.090
the flight leaving it’s always anon

1:44:22.090,1:44:33.679
you never have to wait long to take off the
last people on earth you would suspect could

1:44:33.679,1:44:39.780
speak elizabeth in english yes and it’s a
shock it’s shocking yeah and can can you get

1:44:39.780,1:44:42.550
babies blood on the flight i believe

1:44:42.550,1:44:49.880
that only i actually didn’t hear the the uh
go brandon thing what what yeah he said let’s

1:44:49.880,1:44:55.530
go brandon which is about that kid who shot
the people and and i you know the etymology

1:44:55.530,1:45:01.260
of it i’m not even sure of uh exactly how
it started but it is now this well-established

1:45:01.260,1:45:08.590
thing that you can say let’s go brandon and
everybody knows it equals [ __ ] biden right

1:45:08.590,1:45:15.770
i think i think it started at i think it started
at college football games i think they started

1:45:15.770,1:45:24.969
screaming [ __ ] joe biden at college football
no i’m all for that but he hasn’t earned their

1:45:24.969,1:45:32.409
wrath i mean i would love it if he was actually
doing something to make them be be afraid

1:45:32.409,1:45:38.130
of him but it’s just hating him because it
really does it really gets down to he’s uh

1:45:38.130,1:45:42.620
on the other side it’s called it’s colt’s
behavior it is absolutely cult’s behavior

1:45:42.620,1:45:48.350
yeah the nice thing about a cult is you have
friends i mean that’s what i i always say

1:45:48.350,1:45:52.119
you’re not lonely if you’re in a cult that’s
how the whole thing operates you always always

1:45:52.119,1:45:57.110
have a party to go to you always have people
who will agree with you it is it is nice it’s

1:45:57.110,1:46:03.409
got to be nice there must be positive cults
i mean i think do you did you see wild wild

1:46:03.409,1:46:09.559
country no but that’s a pretty good documentary
about the raj nish it’s like a three or six

1:46:09.559,1:46:16.510
part uh documentary about the bhagwan rajneesh
right the rolls-royce guys yeah yeah and they

1:46:16.510,1:46:21.179
were having sex parties i think that was a
pretty good cult for a little while until

1:46:21.179,1:46:27.699
uh it went off the rails and i saw the spoof
on documentary now that bill hater series

1:46:27.699,1:46:33.310
yes i was surprised that they could even make
that funny because the the real one is pretty

1:46:33.310,1:46:39.420
close to it i feel like i saw the real one
after watching that right i almost cyrus and

1:46:39.420,1:46:45.480
i dave cyrus i almost got i’m being serious
almost got recruited for nexium by one of

1:46:45.480,1:46:52.300
the actresses well she was on your show yeah
and and so she was on the show about three

1:46:52.300,1:46:58.699
years ago and cyrus and i were doing it from
the studio alex’s studio in new york and i’m

1:46:58.699,1:47:06.430
thinking this is a a very friendly actress
who’s being a little too nice to me it just

1:47:06.430,1:47:12.590
didn’t feel right and then she had coffee
cyrus should come out and tell the story i

1:47:12.590,1:47:20.400
guess she had coffee with dave and i guess
they needed to recruit people like cyrus and

1:47:20.400,1:47:29.320
me to uh to join i don’t know to be part of
i totally would have let her brand me here

1:47:29.320,1:47:35.520
we have uh dr carolyn baker i’m going to turn
your video off dr baker we’re and we’re running

1:47:35.520,1:47:39.349
uh it’s good to see you and i can’t wait to
talk to you about your new book we’re running

1:47:39.349,1:47:46.120
five minutes behind so i’ll see you in 15
minutes is that okay sounds good thank you

1:47:46.120,1:47:55.960
there we go yeah uh anyway uh ethan you’re
in brooklyn tonight i’m in brooklyn and um

1:47:55.960,1:48:01.410
i also like a little plug my girlfriend’s
show open she’s a painter yes a show called

1:48:01.410,1:48:06.579
stride arts you can check it out it’s on 2nd
avenue 58th street it’s up for about 6 weeks

1:48:06.579,1:48:10.690
it’s a beautiful show went to the opening
the other night and then we went again on

1:48:10.690,1:48:17.500
saturday hold paintings drawings some watercolors
stride arts check it out i will check it out

1:48:17.500,1:48:24.829
how uh threatened are you and i’ll ask this
of john that your wife or significant other

1:48:24.829,1:48:32.400
becomes incredibly successful and goes off
and travels and you never get to see her is

1:48:32.400,1:48:41.679
there a part of you that’s rooting against
her my wife my wife my wife just got accepted

1:48:41.679,1:48:50.119
to a writer’s residency in uh key west wow
uh she does have to take her she has to fly

1:48:50.119,1:48:55.100
herself down there but once she gets down
there they put her up and they feed her for

1:48:55.100,1:49:00.460
a month she’s going down in march it’s a cult
i heard about this they’re going to branch

1:49:00.460,1:49:04.659
out and you know and then they do have uh
ethan maybe your girlfriend could apply for

1:49:04.659,1:49:09.599
a residency because there’s there’s visual
artists there’s musicians there’s uh she’s

1:49:09.599,1:49:14.659
a writer and she has to run one workshop for
the town but they give her a little bicycle

1:49:14.659,1:49:20.059
and uh look i’m rooting for her novel to uh
to get published and then get turned into

1:49:20.059,1:49:26.600
a movie and uh for us to you know is this
their ernest hemingway’s house the museum

1:49:26.600,1:49:32.929
yeah i don’t know it’s in it’s in key west
so qs isn’t that big it’s probably linked

1:49:32.929,1:49:37.510
with some relationship to key west are you
going to be do you mind if i ask you some

1:49:37.510,1:49:44.680
personal questions about this go ahead are
you trying to sabotage this why would you

1:49:44.680,1:49:48.440
want her to be away from you for a month or
unless you’re going to join her and play in

1:49:48.440,1:49:55.181
the grapefruit league down there uh no um
i’m going to be here it’s it’s a little bit

1:49:55.181,1:50:02.219
of a uh practice for her for empty nest my
uh daughter will still she’ll be in her senior

1:50:02.219,1:50:06.730
year of high schoo uh high school so i’ll
be having to stay here with uh her and the

1:50:06.730,1:50:13.180
dog but um so so yeah i won’t be going i’ll
be having plenty of fun here by myself don’t

1:50:13.180,1:50:20.829
you worry now what happens ethan if your soon-to-be
wife becomes a very successful artist she

1:50:20.829,1:50:28.610
says to you i’m gonna i’m going off to antarctica
i’ve been there’s there’s uh whether i have

1:50:28.610,1:50:36.239
left in my my studio is white paint and i’m
gonna be i’m gonna be away for six months

1:50:36.239,1:50:42.750
because i they’ve asked me to paint would
you feel good about that you know i have a

1:50:42.750,1:50:51.590
very weird relationship to my relationship

1:50:51.590,1:50:59.610
for over a decade and um monogamy you know
the only thing harder than mahogany is monogamy

1:50:59.610,1:51:06.030
and i yeah i so you know the relationship
works it’s great she’s a she’s great she’s

1:51:06.030,1:51:11.940
a wonderful person and a wonderful artist
but solitude is sort of my default setting

1:51:11.940,1:51:16.940
so i don’t i don’t mind i i and i want her
to have huge success and she’s one of these

1:51:16.940,1:51:21.440
artists who you really have to respect because
there are some comedians and actors like that

1:51:21.440,1:51:26.159
also in this world we live in that’s so filled
with promo and self-promo and look at me look

1:51:26.159,1:51:31.330
at me look at me it’s amazing when you encounter
people who don’t do that and in fact are incapable

1:51:31.330,1:51:35.139
of doing that so she’s one of those people
who’s really into her work and she has been

1:51:35.139,1:51:41.019
since she was very young and she is not into
the promo you’re not answering my question

1:51:41.019,1:51:48.590
so i’m going to be totally honest with you
cokes and [ __ ]

1:51:48.590,1:51:56.230
here’s here’s what i told john ross yeah i
told my kids don’t go off to college do not

1:51:56.230,1:52:04.410
leave me i know you think you want to go off
to college but stay home go to a local community

1:52:04.410,1:52:11.389
college let’s prolong this nightmare let’s
keep this thing going i know you’re miserable

1:52:11.389,1:52:19.969
but once you go off to college my life changes
i don’t have young kids in the house anymore

1:52:19.969,1:52:27.610
and mommy and i then have to confront each
other and it’s not going to end well i didn’t

1:52:27.610,1:52:32.409
say that they knew they knew it already no
uh but i did honestly say i don’t want you

1:52:32.409,1:52:37.389
leaving i i i don’t care you’re you’re get
you’re seeing if there’s part of me that’s

1:52:37.389,1:52:42.119
like please don’t be a success so you don’t
have to go anywhere i’m saying why don’t you

1:52:42.119,1:52:49.739
poison like work behind like undermined under
my like why do you want you yes i want her

1:52:49.739,1:52:56.039
to be a huge success and sell the really big
canvases for 15 grand each because she like

1:52:56.039,1:53:03.619
she’s not she’s not like a a socialite upper
east society in any way but she loves gucci

1:53:03.619,1:53:08.690
and i can’t buy that [ __ ] so she’s gonna
are you do you worry that she’ll trade up

1:53:08.690,1:53:16.539
oh in terms of men well or trade down even
worse where she meets like an another artist

1:53:16.539,1:53:23.429
a show i mean how would you feel what would
be worse let me ask john and ethan this question

1:53:23.429,1:53:31.690
all relationships end up in the dust deep
would you prefer to be lost because she traded

1:53:31.690,1:53:38.120
up or traded down i would prefer her trading
up trading down she already traded down if

1:53:38.120,1:53:45.190
she’s in a relationship with me trading up
it means good riddance you have no values

1:53:45.190,1:53:51.460
i was too good for you tough question to answer
but it’s got to be one or the other may i

1:53:51.460,1:53:59.869
say a couple of things yes sir first of all
i am a very big uh proponent of monogamy um

1:53:59.869,1:54:05.469
i i feel like every time i [ __ ] somebody
else outside the marriage i feel like it wasn’t

1:54:05.469,1:54:15.289
that great you know i’m every time every single
time i’m like you know what better at home

1:54:15.289,1:54:20.929
i don’t think we have to worry about our next
guest i think she just went okay i don’t know

1:54:20.929,1:54:27.600
how i got on this show you know i will tell
you something i’m a guy who got i didn’t get

1:54:27.600,1:54:36.530
married till after 40. right and so you know
you get certain habits um that you know you

1:54:36.530,1:54:42.750
you get used to your solitude you get used
to your alone time and that that doesn’t change

1:54:42.750,1:54:48.159
and so my wife and i very much we take separate
vacations i go down to florida to play in

1:54:48.159,1:54:52.869
a baseball tournament i’ve invited her to
come if she wants to go but she’s like no

1:54:52.869,1:54:57.519
i’m going to go on my own yoga retreat some
she we we spend a lot of time separating we

1:54:57.519,1:55:02.390
love that we love to do things together but
we also like to do things separately as far

1:55:02.390,1:55:09.230
as trading uh up or down i think i would definitely
want her to trade up and i would maybe carry

1:55:09.230,1:55:17.280
around a picture of that guy check out who
my ex was able to get so what’s that say about

1:55:17.280,1:55:24.949
me huh well if she trades down it means she’s
yeah she’s going for the sex she’s a she’s

1:55:24.949,1:55:33.070
going for the raw physical lust and that would
be a threat to me i’d rather have her just

1:55:33.070,1:55:39.610
trade up for you know security financial security
ethan you’re you’re not yourself my girlfriend

1:55:39.610,1:55:45.860
is very happy with me for the most part but
i know that she harbors this fantasy of you

1:55:45.860,1:55:50.679
know she’s originally from germany she’s spent
half her life here uh but she secretly she

1:55:50.679,1:55:54.470
harbors a fantasy of being married to a a
swiss diplomat

1:55:54.470,1:56:05.039
it’s very specific it’s a very specific fantasy
and i say find a swiss diplomat and live on

1:56:05.039,1:56:09.929
a mountain and i i feel like okay there’s
i can’t give her the things a swiss diplomat

1:56:09.929,1:56:15.640
can give that’s nothing well you’re extremely
talented i can imagine you doing uh uh playing

1:56:15.640,1:56:21.480
a swiss diploma right i think you could wonder
that’s one ethnicity and job i just could

1:56:21.480,1:56:29.420
not do i i feel like it’s just outside of
my my comfort zone both ethnically and occupationally

1:56:29.420,1:56:35.659
it’s because it’s too mild in both regards
the city and the job are very mild it’s not

1:56:35.659,1:56:39.780
going to feed into that idea also because
i’m the opposite of mild i’m a nightmare to

1:56:39.780,1:56:44.179
be with i’m always it’s very opinionated all
the time about her about me about everything

1:56:44.179,1:56:48.519
around us and the swiss diplomat just he has
nothing to say but he’s always buying her

1:56:48.519,1:56:55.510
gucci and feeding her amazing meals i have
a question about switzerland i never understand

1:56:55.510,1:57:02.559
world history whenever i’m reading about somebody
escaping the nazis at the height of the war

1:57:02.559,1:57:08.250
i just have to make it to switzerland it’s
like the seventh inning of the war and they’re

1:57:08.250,1:57:13.199
going to switzerland yeah if i could just
get to switzerland like there’s this force

1:57:13.199,1:57:21.590
field that prevents the most evil army in
the history of mankind from obeying the swiss

1:57:21.590,1:57:30.179
boundary which has no army hitler do not step
foot in switzerland what is that about what

1:57:30.179,1:57:37.940
you would think that that an army that exterminates
millions of people tramples czechoslovakia

1:57:37.940,1:57:45.329
poland moscow switzerland we can’t step foot
in switzerland where all the gold is what

1:57:45.329,1:57:52.410
is going on the nazis were lactose intolerant
and all the cheese

1:57:52.410,1:57:59.280
a competing theory if they needed to be able
to get their watches fixed and it’s like you

1:57:59.280,1:58:04.220
know what the trains don’t run on time unless
we have watches that work on time we burn

1:58:04.220,1:58:10.579
that bridge we’re in trouble i mean seriously
i never understood like i i need like he needs

1:58:10.579,1:58:15.980
if he has his papers and he can get into switzerland
he won’t be like it’s like the nazis are going

1:58:15.980,1:58:22.519
yes v kills millions and millions of people
but we are not savages we obey the the boundaries

1:58:22.519,1:58:26.929
it was the altitude they they didn’t have
a lot of good aerobic training so you have

1:58:26.929,1:58:31.940
to go up to go into switzerland well does
it suggest to you that maybe switzerland was

1:58:31.940,1:58:38.500
a part of nazi germany certainly where the
art and the gold ended up right i have one

1:58:38.500,1:58:43.030
friend who was a little kid in the north of
italy and he was smuggled across and he’s

1:58:43.030,1:58:48.889
his life was saved he went to lugano the that
first town over the over the hills there in

1:58:48.889,1:58:55.280
switzerland so uh it worked i don’t know why
but it worked he was able to hide out there

1:58:55.280,1:59:00.440
it makes no sense i’m gonna ask this guy how
that works that’s a good it’s a fine thing

1:59:00.440,1:59:05.070
to wonder about yeah yeah now sowing your
oats what does that mean

1:59:05.070,1:59:12.730
you said you got married when you were 40
that implies that you should you so sewed

1:59:12.730,1:59:19.349
your oats yes i did and what what does sowing
oats mean does that mean that i mean cutting

1:59:19.349,1:59:28.699
them you’re a farmer yeah you know uh yeah
but i i i mean it seems like go oh yeah to

1:59:28.699,1:59:34.610
sow that’s when you throw it out in in the
field it comes from the word in hebrew in

1:59:34.610,1:59:43.719
the bible it says there’s that phrase um those
who sow in tears will will reap enjoy so the

1:59:43.719,1:59:49.329
harder you work putting sowing the seeds then
the joy of of the harvest will be that much

1:59:49.329,1:59:53.300
greater so the sowing is when you scatter
the seeds that’s what it is sowing your oats

1:59:53.300,1:59:58.659
you’re scattering your seeds among the uh
the brothels of pompeii so why can’t you just

1:59:58.659,2:00:03.590
say you’re spreading your seed why do you
have to make it confuse like i don’t know

2:00:03.590,2:00:08.840
what’s so i thought it was like you were making
a dress out of oats because you didn’t have

2:00:08.840,2:00:09.860
cotton

2:00:09.860,2:00:16.579
and then reaping it’s an old saying it’s not
like they just came up with it and they said

2:00:16.579,2:00:22.829
let’s confuse david and not say you know back
when you said sewing your oats that everybody

2:00:22.829,2:00:27.040
knew what that meant it meant like spreading
your seed nobody had a question about it and

2:00:27.040,2:00:32.600
what is reaping what you’re getting your freak
on what does reaping your routes mean that

2:00:32.600,2:00:37.139
would be when you’re uh harvesting and then
i have in my kitchen i have something called

2:00:37.139,2:00:38.139
one minute oats

2:00:38.139,2:00:45.659
a little more self-control a little more practice
don’t worry kids if you have one minute oats

2:00:45.659,2:00:49.010
it just takes a little practice you’ll get
up to three minute oats and then five minutes

2:00:49.010,2:00:55.630
out i’m not bragging yeah steel cut right
here all the steel cuts right now so bill

2:00:55.630,2:01:03.929
maher says covet is over well what are you
ever no i’m i’m nostalgic for the beginning

2:01:03.929,2:01:10.620
of the pandemic and so i uh started hoarding
toilet paper again just for old time’s sake

2:01:10.620,2:01:17.719
i just load up my cart with as many things
of toilet paper as i can just uh brings me

2:01:17.719,2:01:24.269
back is that an american thing where americans
the ones who hoarded toilet paper or did the

2:01:24.269,2:01:29.920
whole only americans as far as i know before
go ahead ethan and then i’ll tell you what

2:01:29.920,2:01:34.519
i saw at uh one of the town hall meetings
oh yeah no i was just gonna i agree with john

2:01:34.519,2:01:38.329
i’m very nostalgic for the beginning of the
pandemic i loved i loved my favorite thing

2:01:38.329,2:01:43.210
as a child period barna was the snow day i
loved the snow day the snow day went suddenly

2:01:43.210,2:01:47.059
everything was off and you could just sit
around and you didn’t have to be jealous of

2:01:47.059,2:01:51.389
the dogs who didn’t have to go to school the
snow day was amazing and that was like a the

2:01:51.389,2:01:56.890
pandemic was like a snow year i love that
it’s just the greatest thing ever i mean i

2:01:56.890,2:02:01.010
guess it’s terrible what happened to everybody
but that’s no year i i’ll cherish that memory

2:02:01.010,2:02:09.210
yeah so it is odd one thing that’s odd i am
not on the evil facebook or aka meta or whatever

2:02:09.210,2:02:14.139
but my wife still has a facebook account and
so the other day you know i guess it sends

2:02:14.139,2:02:18.429
you memories and like a picture will come
up of something and she’s she had a picture

2:02:18.429,2:02:23.860
of something that happened that we did and
she went do you you know remember we did this

2:02:23.860,2:02:27.719
and we went to this place with these people
and i went yeah she was that was a year ago

2:02:27.719,2:02:34.719
i was like what like time is just twisted
into this it that seems like it was five years

2:02:34.719,2:02:40.860
ago right and i’m like that wait that was
one year ago i couldn’t believe it so it’s

2:02:40.860,2:02:46.860
it’s definitely done some weird things we
have to wrap it up rebecca irwin who ran the

2:02:46.860,2:02:54.900
holy city zoo is posting pictures of the club
where john and i got our start and i’m i just

2:02:54.900,2:03:01.150
stare at some of those pictures and i really
it’s like you see you know how in a movie

2:03:01.150,2:03:06.250
somebody will look at a picture and then be
brought back into it’s literally happening

2:03:06.250,2:03:13.309
to me on facebook where there’s certain pictures
there’s one picture of monty steve kravitz

2:03:13.309,2:03:25.101
and uh uh steve pearl and ray booker outside
and warren outside the zoo and they’re all

2:03:25.101,2:03:32.809
in these tight-fitting like tight shirts and
it’s like 1983 and they’re all of them are

2:03:32.809,2:03:40.719
just in their 20s in their full bloom and
all their power and i just keep looking at

2:03:40.719,2:03:47.630
these guys and it don’t say what happens after
you are looking uh well it goes without saying

2:03:47.630,2:03:56.080
let me just say there’s a lot of sewing

2:03:56.080,2:04:02.519
one last thing about old pictures um there’s
i this i know is not true but i think it’s

2:04:02.519,2:04:09.239
sort of true is that every cell in your body
it gets replaced yes it’s like seven years

2:04:09.239,2:04:14.360
yes is it that it’s every single one and like
i’ve seen old pictures of myself from like

2:04:14.360,2:04:21.890
20 21 years ago and i’m like oh my god that’s
like three people ago right it’s like a completely

2:04:21.890,2:04:29.050
separate person but by a factor of two or
three like wasn’t that the wasn’t that the

2:04:29.050,2:04:38.320
defense you used at a murder trial and and
here i am brisbane john ross this was fun

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ethan herschenfeld thug thug jew watch thug
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do this again real soon thank you john ross

2:05:30.369,2:05:36.320
fun with friction on twitter i love you guys
thank you so much let us now go to colorado

2:05:36.320,2:05:44.110
i believe we’re going to colorado where my
next guest is standing by she is dr caroline

2:05:44.110,2:05:52.290
or carolyn baker i’m going to go with carolyn
thank you is it carolyn yes good dr caroline

2:05:52.290,2:06:01.610
baker she’s the author that a prolific author
of many many books including confronting chris

2:06:01.610,2:06:10.749
christo fascism healing the evangelical wound
and you can buy it wherever books are sold

2:06:10.749,2:06:17.610
you can buy them you can buy it online from
you know whom and it has a forward by our

2:06:17.610,2:06:24.940
friend frank schaefer who’s been on this show
welcome to the show thank you for being here

2:06:24.940,2:06:31.590
well thank you for having me david i really
appreciate it thank you what is cristofascism

2:06:31.590,2:06:37.860
you you frank schaefer has talked about it
but what what does cristofascism mean well

2:06:37.860,2:06:45.660
it’s a word that was uh coined by activist
dorothy soleil i believe back in world war

2:06:45.660,2:06:55.480
ii and it really means an unholy marriage
as i call it of christianity and fascist ideals

2:06:55.480,2:07:03.329
fascist ideals and people more recently who
have used the word are chris hedges i believe

2:07:03.329,2:07:06.780
he wrote a book on the topic

2:07:06.780,2:07:13.679
kevin phillips who wrote american theocracy
others have used that word but i wanted to

2:07:13.679,2:07:24.280
use it at this particular time for us to talk
about this unholy marriage between right-wing

2:07:24.280,2:07:31.239
politics in the republican party and the evangelical
fundamentalist christian movement because

2:07:31.239,2:07:41.030
i i really see this as a dangerous trend a
dangerous reality that is taking us on on

2:07:41.030,2:07:48.530
a trajectory toward fascism in the united
states and the end of democracy so we play

2:07:48.530,2:07:59.639
clips on the show to laugh at uh this guy
greg pastor greg locke and he’s a great showman

2:07:59.639,2:08:06.630
and then we’ve always laughed at pat robertson
are they getting worse it seems to me that

2:08:06.630,2:08:18.890
once a day i see a pastor calling for armed
insurrection and i see lauren bobert who is

2:08:18.890,2:08:25.030
a congresswoman from colorado she might be
your congressperson not my congressperson

2:08:25.030,2:08:30.960
no and a great embarrassment to our state
by the way she filled out her fec filing and

2:08:30.960,2:08:38.329
listed herself as a resident of utah she doesn’t
see that

2:08:38.329,2:08:45.789
and i have some video that i was gonna play
for you of her talking before christian evangel

2:08:45.789,2:08:54.059
the evangelicals and she’s just calling for
an overthrow of the government have we seen

2:08:54.059,2:09:03.760
this before where you have congress people
like cawthorne and gates talking about blowing

2:09:03.760,2:09:06.389
up

2:09:06.389,2:09:11.570
the metal detectors inside congress speaking
to to church groups has this ever happened

2:09:11.570,2:09:17.340
before we really haven’t i mean we’ve had
people who are involved with the ku klux klan

2:09:17.340,2:09:25.510
in the state where i was born in indiana in
the 1920s most of the state government officials

2:09:25.510,2:09:30.810
were involved with the klan the government
was a closet member of the clan but we’ve

2:09:30.810,2:09:42.510
never seen this level of authoritarianism
and this level of opening one’s arms to really

2:09:42.510,2:09:48.249
fascist ideals we’ve never seen it and as
frank talked about on your show a few days

2:09:48.249,2:09:57.400
ago we now have a a republican strategy of
um you know making sure that the elections

2:09:57.400,2:10:04.119
go their way through various means and if
they don’t like the results they just say

2:10:04.119,2:10:10.969
these results were flawed we’re gonna have
a an audit or a fraud it to determine you

2:10:10.969,2:10:16.269
know what actually happened and it’s always
in their favor and they draw anything they

2:10:16.269,2:10:22.699
don’t like so we have not seen that before
and that’s truly terrifying and what is the

2:10:22.699,2:10:30.090
thinking behind this if you have god on your
side it doesn’t matter what the means are

2:10:30.090,2:10:37.239
to the end so you if you believe god if you
genuinely believe god is on your side then

2:10:37.239,2:10:44.999
if you have to steal an election and lie about
it it doesn’t matter well go ahead back in

2:10:44.999,2:10:51.980
2006 kevin phillips historian wonderful historian
wrote an excellent book called american theocracy

2:10:51.980,2:10:57.300
is he a republican was he originally a republican
it was originally in a republican of the old

2:10:57.300,2:11:03.760
school right and um you know i i often go
back and look at that book and think my god

2:11:03.760,2:11:09.980
i wonder what he thinks about what’s happening
today and it’s really important that we understand

2:11:09.980,2:11:18.099
the concept of theocracy or really government
by god and these folks believe um that we

2:11:18.099,2:11:25.710
should establish the kingdom of god on earth
and i have a theory about this um i have a

2:11:25.710,2:11:31.710
theory that you know they’ve been screaming
for 200 years about the physical return of

2:11:31.710,2:11:37.170
jesus christ he’s going to come back and establish
his kingdom on earth well i think they’re

2:11:37.170,2:11:43.079
getting really tired of that because jesus
has not shown up you know i i don’t know if

2:11:43.079,2:11:47.789
you noticed but well you know he seemed to
have shown up right so you know it’s so kind

2:11:47.789,2:11:54.789
of like we’re tired of waiting for him we
want to do it ourselves and there is a group

2:11:54.789,2:12:03.210
of reconstructionist fundamentalist christians
who really want to establish

2:12:03.210,2:12:09.530
christianity in its fundamentalist forms in
all of the institutions you know through art

2:12:09.530,2:12:15.420
through culture in medicine and really what
that comes down to when it’s all said and

2:12:15.420,2:12:22.329
done is the handmaid’s tale right so all of
this is profoundly terrifying in my opinion

2:12:22.329,2:12:28.010
this weekend the new york times published
an op-ed piece by senator josh hawley who

2:12:28.010,2:12:36.050
raised his fists at the insurrectionists on
january 6 and i thought why is the new york

2:12:36.050,2:12:45.830
times publishing a i think he graduated from
yale law school i think yes yes isn’t he part

2:12:45.830,2:12:54.610
of this isn’t he doesn’t he well not so much
in terms of the religious aspect um i think

2:12:54.610,2:13:02.480
he’s just basically flat out fascist and and
and following the path of sasha’s politics

2:13:02.480,2:13:09.530
he will certainly pal around with fundamentalist
christians he certainly you know will play

2:13:09.530,2:13:17.219
the games that they want to play but he himself
is not particularly a devoted christian i

2:13:17.219,2:13:24.400
thought he was i thought i read some things
where he might have been part of this reconstructionist

2:13:24.400,2:13:29.519
evangelical movement what about ted cruz i
mean who are the people we need to worry about

2:13:29.519,2:13:39.469
here and the problem with it is it’s considered
impolite to call a politician out on their

2:13:39.469,2:13:45.300
religious beliefs even when they’re using
their religious beliefs as a cudgel to get

2:13:45.300,2:13:55.480
votes and get special permission to persecute
the lgbt community or women on abortions it’s

2:13:55.480,2:14:02.060
they can hide behind their religion when they
need it but we’re not allowed to question

2:14:02.060,2:14:11.139
their it’s impolite you’ll never hear chuck
todd saying mike pence what do you believe

2:14:11.139,2:14:15.650
do you believe the jews are going like to
me the question you should always ask somebody

2:14:15.650,2:14:20.190
like mike pence is did the jews go to heaven
with you that would be a good question to

2:14:20.190,2:14:25.050
ask him well i can tell you right now what
his answer would be which is well we love

2:14:25.050,2:14:29.909
the jews and they’re god’s chosen people and
they they’re a wonderful nation and we want

2:14:29.909,2:14:37.630
to protect them but they have not accepted
jesus as their personal savior so as with

2:14:37.630,2:14:44.570
anyone who has not done that they will go
to hell right and to me it is journalistic

2:14:44.570,2:14:54.059
malfeasance not to ask that question of anybody
who brings up their religion once you introduce

2:14:54.059,2:15:01.170
religion into the public square it is the
responsibility of a journalist say okay you

2:15:01.170,2:15:07.309
you talk about jesus you brought him up what
about our muslim the muslim community are

2:15:07.309,2:15:13.469
they going to your heaven are you i think
there are a lot of stupid i’m jewish don’t

2:15:13.469,2:15:19.410
mean to surprise you but there are a lot of
stupid jewish people in america 20 of american

2:15:19.410,2:15:27.260
jews are stupid and they’re they’re republicans
and they don’t realize a lot of them don’t

2:15:27.260,2:15:35.539
realize that just because somebody loves israel
doesn’t mean that they don’t hate jews mike

2:15:35.539,2:15:42.269
pence doesn’t even know he hates jews because
right he’s saying i’m for israel how can i

2:15:42.269,2:15:48.670
hate jews it’s bubbling up now i’m seeing
it in the town halls where there was a veterinarian

2:15:48.670,2:15:53.850
in arizona who was talking about big pharma
and the jews and i went you know this stuff

2:15:53.850,2:16:01.429
needs to come out we need to expose what these
people think of the sikh the sikhs and the

2:16:01.429,2:16:08.059
muslims and the jews and they need to be asked
and they’re not because it’s considered impolite

2:16:08.059,2:16:12.449
to ask mike pence this question

2:16:12.449,2:16:18.829
and and he couldn’t lie in other words if
he said i believe jews are going to my heaven

2:16:18.829,2:16:25.130
what would the reaction be what would how
would his base react if he was political and

2:16:25.130,2:16:31.370
said no i believe we’re all going to the same
heaven what would the backlash be among his

2:16:31.370,2:16:37.260
base well i think pretty pretty strong the
backdrop backlash would be very strong and

2:16:37.260,2:16:44.590
so he really doesn’t dare answer that question
and why isn’t that brought up when somebody

2:16:44.590,2:16:53.099
says i believe this country was founded with
judeo-christian values when when when when

2:16:53.099,2:16:58.569
george w bush is asked who is your favorite
philosopher he says jesus christ the next

2:16:58.569,2:17:04.480
question there should be a follow-up on that
and what does that mean yeah but they back

2:17:04.480,2:17:10.889
away from it because they it’s okay for them
to discuss the religion the way anyway so

2:17:10.889,2:17:17.819
how do we combat this how do we how do we
fight them on this well i think you know these

2:17:17.819,2:17:23.540
people who you know they have no problem saying
i’m a christian or saying i’m an evangelical

2:17:23.540,2:17:29.380
christian um but i think the next question
should be what does that mean to you and to

2:17:29.380,2:17:35.189
what extent are you following the teachings
of jesus because the teachings of jesus are

2:17:35.189,2:17:40.870
not really at the top of their list at the
top of their list is their political agenda

2:17:40.870,2:17:47.639
and you know jesus was kind of for the evangelical
christians and i’m not saying all of them

2:17:47.639,2:17:53.670
but for those in the right wing the teachings
of jesus are kind of soft you know there’s

2:17:53.670,2:17:59.330
a wonderful book that was written uh jesus
and john wayne it was written by a profession

2:17:59.330,2:18:05.719
professor a woman professor in uh michigan
a few years ago and i quote it in my book

2:18:05.719,2:18:15.190
um you know jesus wasn’t really macho enough
and so they prefer to go further into the

2:18:15.190,2:18:22.200
new testament the writings of paul uh you
know who was much more macho and extremely

2:18:22.200,2:18:29.439
homophobic and extremely misogynist and then
they want to take it further and go into the

2:18:29.439,2:18:37.170
early church fathers you know the augustines
the tertullians the the different church fathers

2:18:37.170,2:18:45.849
who were really very macho and very misogynistic
and very patriarchal and so they say well

2:18:45.849,2:18:51.149
you can’t just pay attention to the ten to
the teachings of jesus you have to take all

2:18:51.149,2:19:00.620
of these great minds you know together mm-hmm
and and so so it’s an ideology in search of

2:19:00.620,2:19:05.830
radiology in search of a religion they’re
searching yes they’re starting off with a

2:19:05.830,2:19:14.849
belief system then pouring through the cannon
to look for evidence to back up their their

2:19:14.849,2:19:25.779
their their positions uh hitler how did hitler
use protestants and catholics how how do the

2:19:25.779,2:19:34.920
fascists use real deeply religious people
well in in germany there was the reich’s church

2:19:34.920,2:19:41.420
and their symbol was a cross with the swastika
in the middle of it and there were many there

2:19:41.420,2:19:47.439
were many germans who joined that church and
they were they were able through you know

2:19:47.439,2:19:55.229
the same kind of uh not looking at reality
that we see now in the evangelical movement

2:19:55.229,2:20:01.020
they were able to try to put together the
teachings of jesus with with you know uh christian

2:20:01.020,2:20:07.189
theology i found this really curious because
what what we’re told if you don’t pay too

2:20:07.189,2:20:15.729
close attention that hitler was it was the
nazis were a-religious but that’s not true

2:20:15.729,2:20:27.080
right no and so how much did hitler use religion
and which i would assume mostly with pius

2:20:27.080,2:20:34.439
he made some kind of deal with the catholics
but germany is mostly a protestant nation

2:20:34.439,2:20:44.640
right protestant and highly lucrative so what
what was happening a lot of catholics were

2:20:44.640,2:20:53.600
being taken away by hitler well a lot of people
bought into um you know the the boogeyman

2:20:53.600,2:20:59.420
uh that that hitler introduced to everybody
which was you know the jews are going to take

2:20:59.420,2:21:05.170
away this and take away that and they’re going
to contaminate us because they’re not a pure

2:21:05.170,2:21:12.100
race and and so we’re christians we’re white
we’re proud of our christianity it really

2:21:12.100,2:21:16.340
doesn’t have much to do with jesus because
he was a jew but you know it becomes their

2:21:16.340,2:21:25.770
own ideology how much how much did the nazis
i don’t recall any photographs or stories

2:21:25.770,2:21:33.100
of hitler wearing his religion on his sleeve
i don’t know i don’t think he did i mean he

2:21:33.100,2:21:39.340
was involved in a lot of cult culty stuff
um that he kept under wraps and as as many

2:21:39.340,2:21:47.380
of his associates were right in the third
reich um but he was able to use in the same

2:21:47.380,2:21:56.229
way that uh you know evangelicals now are
able to use a lot of christianity to validate

2:21:56.229,2:22:01.890
quote unquote their political position i see
it’s very similar to what he to what is going

2:22:01.890,2:22:10.450
on now i see what percentage of christians
in america are evangelical

2:22:10.450,2:22:21.760
i would say about 30 to 40 percent and what
percentage of evangelical christians are dangerous

2:22:21.760,2:22:29.810
i would certainly say that 30 or 40 percent
at this point who doubt the election of joe

2:22:29.810,2:22:38.440
biden who insist uh on the big lie they buy
into the big lie um and and who uh are are

2:22:38.440,2:22:44.590
calling for the things that i have written
about in the book um i’m not saying that all

2:22:44.590,2:22:50.479
evangelicals are terrorists but those who
support the trump agenda and align themselves

2:22:50.479,2:22:57.310
with white supremacy white nationalism hatred
of the lgbt community the right to reproductive

2:22:57.310,2:23:03.010
choice is guaranteed in the constitution maybe
for only five more minutes and who oppose

2:23:03.010,2:23:08.620
science those individuals particularly those
who are working to suppress voting and rig

2:23:08.620,2:23:13.100
the system so that if they disagree with the
outcome of an election they can just throw

2:23:13.100,2:23:19.460
it out or participate in an insurrection to
overthrow democracy these people are terrorists

2:23:19.460,2:23:26.689
yeah terrorists absolutely and and so what
how many are we talking about well i would

2:23:26.689,2:23:31.750
certainly uh you know i would just go along
with what the what the current uh emphasis

2:23:31.750,2:23:38.979
estimate is in mainstream news which is 30
to 40 percent of the population of the united

2:23:38.979,2:23:44.800
states does not believe that joe biden is
a legitimate president and they’ve completely

2:23:44.800,2:23:51.660
bought the big lie hook line and sinker and
and of those 30 to 40 percent most of them

2:23:51.660,2:23:58.000
are evangelicals or no that can’t be that
high no i wouldn’t no i wouldn’t think so

2:23:58.000,2:24:04.950
i would say maybe half of those are evangelicals
but the evangelical movement really has great

2:24:04.950,2:24:13.600
power by you know the the uh the allegiance
the alliances that is made with trump and

2:24:13.600,2:24:22.359
other politicians so it’s very it’s difficult
now to draw the line and say well tom uh cotton

2:24:22.359,2:24:29.490
for example he’s a he’s an evangelical senator
from senator from arkansas yeah yeah and very

2:24:29.490,2:24:34.920
right-wing he’s very right-wing he’s a lawyer
well-educated lawyer from an elite a well-educated

2:24:34.920,2:24:43.069
lawyer and these are the fascist evangelicals
that we need to worry about you know trump

2:24:43.069,2:24:49.890
was not the brightest bulb in the chandelier
as far as intellect but there are some people

2:24:49.890,2:24:58.130
like holly and like cotton who are very well
educated and very fascist ted cruz ted cruz

2:24:58.130,2:25:00.920
yes

2:25:00.920,2:25:08.540
so to me the danger as more and more people
in america stop going to church stop going

2:25:08.540,2:25:17.180
to mosque and temple the ones who remain many
of the ones who reign are the most dangerous

2:25:17.180,2:25:24.120
it’s kind of like the republican party kinzinger’s
go is leaving every time we lose a good republican

2:25:24.120,2:25:31.420
nature pours a vacuum and a really bad republican
fills that seat yes as more and more americans

2:25:31.420,2:25:37.210
stop believing in organized religions the
ones who remain even though they’re fewer

2:25:37.210,2:25:48.470
in numbers they gain more power the more we
abandon organized religion the evangelicals

2:25:48.470,2:25:53.489
even though they’re not growing in number
will get more power is that a fair well i

2:25:53.489,2:26:00.840
think that’s true and um i think that um we
see we’ve we’ve seen a lot of the evangelical

2:26:00.840,2:26:07.149
movement decrease you know there are articles
almost every day on how the evangelical movement

2:26:07.149,2:26:13.510
is decreasing in numbers but as frank schaefer
pointed out in his interview with you once

2:26:13.510,2:26:19.420
you have established this strategy around
elections it really doesn’t matter what your

2:26:19.420,2:26:25.819
what your membership is what the numbers are
because you have this strategy in place that

2:26:25.819,2:26:32.600
questions all elections and that eventually
gets rid of democracy you know we have to

2:26:32.600,2:26:39.580
i i would love to uh have you keep coming
back we’re talking with dr carolyn baker she

2:26:39.580,2:26:47.580
is a professor of history and psychology go
to carolynbaker.net you’re also a psychotherapist

2:26:47.580,2:26:59.149
and a student a student of ritual and mythology
and you’ve written a new book called confronting

2:26:59.149,2:27:05.859
christo fascism but you’ve written i i can’t
even count the number of books that you’ve

2:27:05.859,2:27:13.200
written it just goes on and on and on and
on you’re very prolific why are you so prolific

2:27:13.200,2:27:20.000
what is the secret um i don’t know i’m i’ve
yeah i don’t know what the answer to that

2:27:20.000,2:27:25.640
is um probably because i live alone i’m not
in a relationship at the moment and you know

2:27:25.640,2:27:32.140
i’m putting all my creativity into writing
which i absolutely love um i’m not a psychotherapist

2:27:32.140,2:27:36.649
any longer i do life coaching and spiritual
counseling and i have a lot of people who

2:27:36.649,2:27:43.260
come to me about this very question of you
know religious trauma and how do i recover

2:27:43.260,2:27:48.101
from this because you know a lot of people
who’ve been through the whole evangelical

2:27:48.101,2:27:56.680
experience um have ptsd and uh it shows up
in their lives right and so to to to reach

2:27:56.680,2:28:04.640
you they should go to carolyn baker that is
that that’s correct carolynbaker.net i have

2:28:04.640,2:28:09.800
no problem with giving out my email address
um please please drop me an email tell me

2:28:09.800,2:28:16.880
that you listen to this program and if i can
help you i’m happy to do that and go by confronting

2:28:16.880,2:28:27.300
cristofascism healing the evangelical wound
with a forward by frank schaefer before you

2:28:27.300,2:28:38.590
go can this happen without trump can we can
we end up with a theological state without

2:28:38.590,2:28:45.720
donald trump who who was who was in who was
out there that could pull this off other than

2:28:45.720,2:28:52.390
donald trump well some of the people that
i’ve already mentioned like holly like cotton

2:28:52.390,2:28:58.880
and and there are others who are um great
intellectual minds but you know they’ve chosen

2:28:58.880,2:29:06.270
to go down this path i think that trump is
probably going to get reelected or really

2:29:06.270,2:29:12.689
reinstated um yeah i’m not optimistic i’m
not optimistic about the democrats winning

2:29:12.689,2:29:18.640
and i hope i’m wrong my god i hope i’m wrong
but i’m not optimistic and you know i think

2:29:18.640,2:29:24.510
he can get the ball rolling but there are
others who can perpetuate it once he does

2:29:24.510,2:29:36.640
that right but it will be hard to find somebody
as craven as he who understands the media

2:29:36.640,2:29:44.860
the way trump does right he he is the threat
well dr carolyn baker the name of the book

2:29:44.860,2:29:52.609
is confronting christo fascism healing the
evangelical wound with a forward by frank

2:29:52.609,2:29:58.590
schaefer who was introduced to the show by
our next guest howie klein hello howie hey

2:29:58.590,2:30:04.350
how you doing david good good i want to thank
carolyn baker please come back i’m going to

2:30:04.350,2:30:10.109
call you tomorrow to get you back on the show
thank you so much thank you howie klein is

2:30:10.109,2:30:15.710
the founder and treasurer of the blue america
pack they raise money for progressive candidates

2:30:15.710,2:30:20.859
all around america what i’m going to do is
i’m going to play our introduction and i’m

2:30:20.859,2:30:27.970
going to grab some water i’ve been talking
a little too much so we will be back in 90

2:30:27.970,2:30:39.060
seconds with howie klein it’s time right now
for the david feldman show he’s talking politics

2:30:39.060,2:30:55.200
and comedy dude now tell a dirty joke if you
want him too he’s just a lefty from way back

2:30:55.200,2:31:10.970
he’s a union man with a name before writing
someday he’s mad and he feels like fight

2:31:10.970,2:31:16.689
it’s time right now

2:31:16.689,2:31:47.400
he’s got a lot to say and he’s coming your
way

2:31:47.400,2:31:51.600
me

2:31:51.600,2:31:55.800
is

2:31:55.800,2:32:29.029
he’s got a lot to say and he’s coming your
way

2:32:29.029,2:32:34.979
welcome back howie klein is with us hello
howie klein hey david how are you good good

2:32:34.979,2:32:43.050
thank you for joining us so i spoke to you
yesterday and you were going after the democratic

2:32:43.050,2:32:50.280
blue dogs new dems who have sold but what
was left of their soul to the pharmaceutical

2:32:50.280,2:32:59.080
industry and despite the polling where as
you point out americans want medicare to be

2:32:59.080,2:33:05.439
able to negotiate drug prices they sided with
the pharmaceutical industry we should name

2:33:05.439,2:33:12.979
these democrats our listeners should know
who these people are even if even if it takes

2:33:12.979,2:33:20.729
the entire segment to name the names of the
democrats who are siding with the pharmaceutical

2:33:20.729,2:33:25.950
industry and who’s who are you supporting
because you’re right aren’t you running somebody

2:33:25.950,2:33:32.380
against each one of these democrats well well
some of them the ones in the senate aren’t

2:33:32.380,2:33:39.399
up for re-election and uh some of them are
some of these people what they do is they’re

2:33:39.399,2:33:47.340
they let others stand up and and support these
bad policies or oppose these good policies

2:33:47.340,2:33:51.560
and they just hang in the back and and don’t
have to do it publicly others are doing it

2:33:51.560,2:33:58.710
publicly so in so we are supporting some candidates
who are running against some of these people

2:33:58.710,2:34:04.990
and when there’s a good candidate and he or
she is running against a blue dog we we have

2:34:04.990,2:34:11.939
a special page uh which is called primarying
a blue dog and and in order to be on in order

2:34:11.939,2:34:18.029
for us to raise money for a candidate they
have to be a good solid progressive who passes

2:34:18.029,2:34:22.530
who passes off vetting and they have to be
running against the blue dog not running against

2:34:22.530,2:34:26.779
anybody else it has to be a blue dog because
they’re the worst of the worst in terms of

2:34:26.779,2:34:32.370
the congressional caucuses although you know
some of the new dems are really terrible too

2:34:32.370,2:34:37.100
that’s not what this page is for this page
is just for um blue dogs so in that and in

2:34:37.100,2:34:45.819
that instance we have uh four so uh henry
cuellar from south uh texas is one and uh

2:34:45.819,2:34:53.440
jessica cisneros is running against him another
one is um is is i mean one of the probably

2:34:53.440,2:34:59.620
the worst of the worst in the house is a guy
named kurt schrader yeah you have a story

2:34:59.620,2:35:05.770
yeah bad i mean is that bad news about mayor
mark gamba no i’ll talk about that in a minute

2:35:05.770,2:35:14.370
okay but it’s not bad news it’s actually good
okay so um kurt schrader kurt schrader of

2:35:14.370,2:35:22.850
oregon who’s an a an heir of um of a fortune
that comes from pfizer and he takes huge amounts

2:35:22.850,2:35:28.370
of money from the pharmaceutical industry
and he was one of the people who voted in

2:35:28.370,2:35:36.700
committee to oppose uh the passage of a bill
that would allow of an amendment or not an

2:35:36.700,2:35:42.109
amendment a part of a bill that would allow
medicare to negotiate with pharmaceutical

2:35:42.109,2:35:51.532
companies to get fair market price price um
drug prices and uh and then so that’s him

2:35:51.532,2:35:56.180
then there’s a guy named sergio alcabela now
i sent you sergio information to bring him

2:35:56.180,2:36:04.729
on next week you got that right yes okay he’s
running against ed case a longtime um conservative

2:36:04.729,2:36:09.770
democrat in honolulu a very very wealthy guy
related is the first cousin of steve case

2:36:09.770,2:36:16.900
of aol by the way and that and what i didn’t
say by the way is the the woman who’s running

2:36:16.900,2:36:23.840
against uh kurt schrader is uh jamie mcclaude
skinner and and why don’t we talk about that

2:36:23.840,2:36:30.670
uh in in a minute about uh why uh mayor gambra
has has decided not to run and instead yeah

2:36:30.670,2:36:36.770
jb running and then there’s um and then the
last of them is michael ortega in orange county

2:36:36.770,2:36:41.270
who’s running against lou correa so those
are those are the now those aren’t the only

2:36:41.270,2:36:47.600
bad guys those are just the ones that that
blue america is uh has candidates for already

2:36:47.600,2:36:53.109
we don’t we don’t manufacture candidates uh
we find people who are already running we

2:36:53.109,2:36:57.970
i don’t like the idea of uh trying to talk
someone into it because if they don’t have

2:36:57.970,2:37:02.590
a belly in their fire and have fire in their
belly and they don’t really want to run and

2:37:02.590,2:37:08.160
really want to do what it takes which is a
lot then they don’t win anyway right so so

2:37:08.160,2:37:14.390
we we look for great candidates who are running
rather than trying to uh invent them and and

2:37:14.390,2:37:18.510
other other places don’t do it they do it
the other way they actually try to recruit

2:37:18.510,2:37:24.140
candidates a lot of times candidates who get
recruited who aren’t really running before

2:37:24.140,2:37:29.910
that are um don’t win they just don’t win
the races they don’t have what it takes that

2:37:29.910,2:37:37.100
said uh mark gamber wrote a uh he ran against
uh schrader last time and he didn’t win and

2:37:37.100,2:37:44.350
he and but the district has been very very
drastically uh uh um not not gerrymandered

2:37:44.350,2:37:52.580
but just redrawn uh and it now takes in a
big part of eastern texas of east eastern

2:37:52.580,2:37:58.660
or sorry eastern oregon and that area is the
area where jamie lives and she’s very well

2:37:58.660,2:38:03.720
known and she’s run there before and won both
in a congressional race that she didn’t win

2:38:03.720,2:38:08.109
for the whole district but she won that part
of the district and for secretary of state

2:38:08.109,2:38:13.160
she didn’t win the secretary of state job
but she won that part of the new uh the new

2:38:13.160,2:38:21.029
fifth district so i i think that when we had
um mark on the show he even mentioned that

2:38:21.029,2:38:25.600
he was he was uh that there was another candidate
that he was talking to and that he would see

2:38:25.600,2:38:29.820
which of them would run and that they that
you know whoever decided to run the other

2:38:29.820,2:38:35.520
one would support that one and and they got
together and they really tried to figure out

2:38:35.520,2:38:39.399
only one thing who had a better chance of
beating schrader that was all they thought

2:38:39.399,2:38:44.899
about not you know who’s more of a careerist
not who’s going to be a better member of congress

2:38:44.899,2:38:49.939
even just who had a better chance to beat
straighter and they both decided that it was

2:38:49.939,2:38:54.520
jamie and and they did it very mathematically
and they explained it to me and it made complete

2:38:54.520,2:39:02.520
sense and um now we have jamie running instead
of instead of mark okay hopefully we’ll get

2:39:02.520,2:39:10.850
jamie on the on the program with medicare
negotiating is it conceivable that they’re

2:39:10.850,2:39:16.590
going to squeeze some kind of no have you
heard rumors that this reconciliation bill

2:39:16.590,2:39:23.560
does allow for medicare to negotiate with
what happened i mean you probably heard mansion

2:39:23.560,2:39:28.500
today saying that he’ll tank the whole thing
if they try that so it’s not going to happen

2:39:28.500,2:39:34.050
i mean this is mansion’s b and cinema’s bill
that’s what that’s what it comes down to they

2:39:34.050,2:39:38.560
have vetoed everything they want and nothing
is going in there that they don’t agree and

2:39:38.560,2:39:44.800
it’s not a negotiation that’s what people
on the in on tvs keep saying and on the radio

2:39:44.800,2:39:49.620
also and and the press they keep saying it’s
a negotiation it’s not a negotiation it’s

2:39:49.620,2:39:55.160
a dictation there’s no negotiating either
neither cinema nor mansion is negotiating

2:39:55.160,2:40:00.590
they are just handing down their conditions
and you don’t want to meet my condition goodbye

2:40:00.590,2:40:05.880
that’s it manchin has said publicly that he
doesn’t care if the bill passes or doesn’t

2:40:05.880,2:40:11.130
pass doesn’t matter to him he does not care
if it doesn’t fit what his parameters he’s

2:40:11.130,2:40:16.590
not voting for it and it’s dead robert rice
the former labor secretary under clinton tweeted

2:40:16.590,2:40:20.670
out something that was absolutely brilliant
this weekend he said there isn’t a single

2:40:20.670,2:40:26.870
billionaire who lives in west virginia why
is joe manchin protecting billionaires he

2:40:26.870,2:40:36.720
does not represent the people of west virginia
who is he working with certainly there are

2:40:36.720,2:40:41.800
very specific billionaires that he’s that
he’s very close with and who have made him

2:40:41.800,2:40:47.720
very very wealthy i mean i ran a little video
on my blog the other day i don’t i don’t even

2:40:47.720,2:40:53.180
remember which which post it was but it but
it talks about him oh it was it was um what’s

2:40:53.180,2:40:59.569
his name that guy who makes videos uh damn
i can’t remember his name now but maybe he’ll

2:40:59.569,2:41:05.609
come back to me but in any case it’s talking
about how how wealthy the the very rich have

2:41:05.609,2:41:11.840
made not just mansion who is very wealthy
but his whole family i mean his daughter they

2:41:11.840,2:41:17.510
have her testifying at a hearing i think she
said she was making like upwards of 10 million

2:41:17.510,2:41:26.979
dollars a year in salary at mylon the drug
company yeah right so you can imagine how

2:41:26.979,2:41:33.641
uh you know how these companies are able to
you know is it a bribe you know i i think

2:41:33.641,2:41:41.851
i’ve told you this before but during the negotiations
uh uh about over um medicare once before when

2:41:41.851,2:41:46.979
they were doing medicare part d an express
who had become a republican was the chair

2:41:46.979,2:41:50.489
of the committee you wrote about him this
weekend billy thousand you wrote about him

2:41:50.489,2:41:57.770
this weekend oh i did yes i often write about
billy thousand from louisiana and and the

2:41:57.770,2:42:02.939
bribe what wasn’t necessarily cash now it
may have been cash also i don’t know but they

2:42:02.939,2:42:09.430
during the negotiations for this bill the
pharmaceutical industry very much wanted medicare

2:42:09.430,2:42:14.149
part d to be the way they wanted it and medicare
part d which is the worst part of medicare

2:42:14.149,2:42:21.160
and horrible part of medicare and and only
deals with advancing the interests of the

2:42:21.160,2:42:28.729
insurance companies and the pharmaceutical
companies medicare part d as it was being

2:42:28.729,2:42:33.600
negotiated as they were you know getting it
through congress without one in the house

2:42:33.600,2:42:37.810
not one single democratic vote by the way
not one vote not one democrat voted for that

2:42:37.810,2:42:46.060
thing um count they they offered thousand
a job as the head of big pharma you know you

2:42:46.060,2:42:50.380
know particularly the chief lobbyist but it’s
you know the president of the company and

2:42:50.380,2:42:54.590
it was a two million dollar job and back in
those days two million dollars is a lot more

2:42:54.590,2:42:58.430
than it is now before now everybody on the
phone is probably thinking who cares about

2:42:58.430,2:43:03.960
two million dollars it’s nothing but back
then it was a lot of money now is that not

2:43:03.960,2:43:08.859
bribery david yeah it absolutely is you like
while they’re you wrote that while they’re

2:43:08.859,2:43:20.400
negotiating this new medicare part d billy
thousand is negotiating a a new job a new

2:43:20.400,2:43:25.870
job and and he quit he quit congress after
he got this thing passed he you know he didn’t

2:43:25.870,2:43:28.710
what i mean congress you don’t make that kind
of money you don’t make two million dollars

2:43:28.710,2:43:35.210
a year he quit congress and took this very
very cushy easy easy job for two million dollars

2:43:35.210,2:43:40.940
a year before bonuses sometimes when people
make a straight salary of two million dollars

2:43:40.940,2:43:46.720
a year they wake they walk away with four
million dollars a year or more right so that

2:43:46.720,2:43:53.600
was george w bush’s contribution to medicare
right he signed it he signed it ultimately

2:43:53.600,2:43:58.980
it was not written by george bush or even
anyone in his administration it was written

2:43:58.980,2:44:04.770
by lobbyists for the uh insurance industry
in the fall and he wanted it he wanted it

2:44:04.770,2:44:11.670
and he was happy to sign it but but they wrote
it the the lobbyists wrote it and when i say

2:44:11.670,2:44:16.150
the lobbyists specifically it is lobbyists
who are working for those companies so it

2:44:16.150,2:44:21.110
was in other words it was written by the insurance
company and and the insurance companies and

2:44:21.110,2:44:28.689
the pharmaceutical industry they wrote medicare
part d uh and uh thousand uh uh you know got

2:44:28.689,2:44:33.069
it through congress and then they rewarded
him uh with a job that they had negotiated

2:44:33.069,2:44:38.420
while he was pushing it through congress and
if that isn’t bribery there’s no such thing

2:44:38.420,2:44:46.399
as bribery so when you a gallup poll i read
said that something like eight million american

2:44:46.399,2:44:51.439
seniors say they can’t afford the prescriptions
that are given to them so the doctor says

2:44:51.439,2:44:56.930
you need this drug and eight million senior
citizens don’t fill the prescription because

2:44:56.930,2:45:05.850
they can’t afford it i’m sure it’s more than
eight million as a matter of fact who you

2:45:05.850,2:45:08.550
know it’s some of these i’ve told you many
times i have been prescribed a drug that i’m

2:45:08.550,2:45:16.850
supposed to take two to two pills a day every
day seven days a week too and and the cost

2:45:16.850,2:45:22.239
in america is ten thousand dollars for that
per month ten thousand dollars a month who

2:45:22.239,2:45:27.060
can afford that i mean you can afford it maybe
you can afford it once but who can afford

2:45:27.060,2:45:32.410
that month after month after month after month
so they’re killing isn’t even a drug that

2:45:32.410,2:45:36.800
gets you that cures you by the way that’s
not what it’s for it’s a it’s a drug to keep

2:45:36.800,2:45:41.760
the disease from getting worse that’s what
and that’s what it supposedly does so why

2:45:41.760,2:45:48.489
are we well you have by the way i i didn’t
mention it it costs not ten thousand dollars

2:45:48.489,2:45:52.510
a month in any other country it costs one
thousand dollars a month in any other country

2:45:52.510,2:45:56.830
it’s still very very expensive but a thousand
dollars a month is a lot less than ten thousand

2:45:56.830,2:46:03.560
dollars a month we are being murdered by the
pharmaceutical industry and the politicians

2:46:03.560,2:46:10.610
that they buy and rachel maddow because they
advertise on rachel maddow they advertise

2:46:10.610,2:46:17.290
on cnn they are not just lobbying i don’t
even know who advertises on her show she doesn’t

2:46:17.290,2:46:23.460
see those things the point is you’re not gonna
go after your sponsors if you’re you’re sponsored

2:46:23.460,2:46:28.290
by the drug companies you’re not going to
go after them so yeah i’m not so sure about

2:46:28.290,2:46:35.300
that okay i mean you know you have to look
at that more closely than just leveling that

2:46:35.300,2:46:41.050
and i mean has she ever said bad things about
people who were involved in this uh little

2:46:41.050,2:46:47.141
game i i would bet she has i don’t know but
but i i kind of have grown to trust her a

2:46:47.141,2:46:52.760
little bit more i used to a long time ago
and then i stopped and now i i i guess maybe

2:46:52.760,2:46:58.670
she um uh denounces the word moderate so anyone
who does that i love it right but instead

2:46:58.670,2:47:03.939
of focusing on russia gate and michael flynn
and leave her alone with that russia gate

2:47:03.939,2:47:11.620
nonsense hasn’t suffered enough every time
i turn on rachel maddow she’s not anymore

2:47:11.620,2:47:17.489
she’s not talking about what i care about
and that is unions she’s not talking about

2:47:17.489,2:47:24.229
unions because her writers just went union
so you know they they they have their own

2:47:24.229,2:47:32.670
overton window tuesday is election day chris
murphy in new jersey has the potential to

2:47:32.670,2:47:40.600
be good i think you mean phil murphy phil
murphy i’m sorry philip murphy potentially

2:47:40.600,2:47:45.260
could be a good second term governor but not
somebody who

2:47:45.260,2:47:56.860
he’s a decent governor decent enough for bernie
to go campaign for right and earlier in the

2:47:56.860,2:48:04.220
show i said tell me if i’m wrong that if you
want to trace the roots of everything that’s

2:48:04.220,2:48:09.649
wrong with the democratic party it’s bill
clinton rahm emanuel and terry mcauliffe who

2:48:09.649,2:48:18.260
was running for governor in virginia terry
mcauliffe bad guy right yeah why yes corrupt

2:48:18.260,2:48:25.660
part of the democratic corruption machine
all about money all about uh you know i mean

2:48:25.660,2:48:32.670
look i don’t want people to understand something
is is he is he as bad as jungkin the guy he’s

2:48:32.670,2:48:38.100
running against is his name junkin or junkin
or whatever trumpkin whatever his name is

2:48:38.100,2:48:46.370
right trumpkin but trumpkin is worse does
that and for people who who want to vote for

2:48:46.370,2:48:50.522
the lesser of two evils they should vote for
mcauliffe but for people who figure that evil

2:48:50.522,2:48:54.980
is evil whether it’s lesser or greater then
they then they can’t vote in that in that

2:48:54.980,2:49:00.120
election or in many other elections where
the democratic establishment picks the candidates

2:49:00.120,2:49:04.890
when the democratic establishment picks candidates
they’re always bad they never pick a good

2:49:04.890,2:49:14.689
one so obama was in virginia campaigning for
terry mcauliffe could not travel to west virginia

2:49:14.689,2:49:20.800
to embarrass joe manchin and can who was not
running for reelection he couldn’t hold a

2:49:20.800,2:49:30.760
rally in west virginia for build back better
couldn’t do it uh you know you got to be really

2:49:30.760,2:49:35.830
careful with manchin if you push mansion too
hard he can just say [ __ ] you could buy

2:49:35.830,2:49:40.600
him a republican as of today and give up all
your committee chairs and give up uh give

2:49:40.600,2:49:46.899
up any any chance of getting anybody uh uh
confirmed they’re in a the democrats are in

2:49:46.899,2:49:52.770
a really tough position with manchin and it’s
hard to blame them uh for that now on the

2:49:52.770,2:49:57.340
other hand cinema who’s just as bad a problem
by the way mentions no worse than her she’s

2:49:57.340,2:50:01.899
probably worse than mentioned that i can blame
on the democrats because they recruited her

2:50:01.899,2:50:09.350
knowing what she is i mean when when i hate
to sound like a broken clock here but uh when

2:50:09.350,2:50:15.939
chuck schumer found her she was the head of
the blue dog she had the single worst voting

2:50:15.939,2:50:21.930
record in congress and everyone hated her
he didn’t recruit her despite that that is

2:50:21.930,2:50:26.800
why he recruited her and now we have this
idiot who is like saying well no if you if

2:50:26.800,2:50:32.020
you raise taxes on the rich i’m out you i
won’t vote for you i won’t vote for the bill

2:50:32.020,2:50:38.570
i read that chuck schumer endorsed indira
walton up in buffalo she’s a socialist is

2:50:38.570,2:50:46.910
he look the race is over no one cares what
he says he he’s not he can give her he’s not

2:50:46.910,2:50:52.080
really supporting her he just said it uh so
that uh people will will say what you just

2:50:52.080,2:50:55.979
said in some way and may and make him sound
like he’s a decent human being which he’s

2:50:55.979,2:51:01.739
not forget it he’s he’s not for her right
right well what are we looking at on tuesday

2:51:01.739,2:51:07.290
how do you see that like for example virginia
that the delegate the house of delegates is

2:51:07.290,2:51:12.850
that what it’s called house is the house of
delegates yeah um right now it’s controlled

2:51:12.850,2:51:18.720
by the democrats both houses yeah the democrats
control it uh it’s unique right into this

2:51:18.720,2:51:23.949
thing the democrats looked like they could
actually pick up seats and have more control

2:51:23.949,2:51:29.229
but now i’m i’m doubtful that’s gonna happen
uh because mcauliffe is gonna drive is gonna

2:51:29.229,2:51:37.260
drag the whole party down macaula mcauliffe
and mansion by the way because uh for example

2:51:37.260,2:51:42.870
one of the places right now uh when you’re
looking at the polling so how do you look

2:51:42.870,2:51:46.860
at how do you look at the polling in the state
like that where they don’t say who’s a democrat

2:51:46.860,2:51:51.060
and who’s a republican it’s very very hard
but they’re i can’t remember the name of the

2:51:51.060,2:51:56.069
organization but i wrote about it this weekend
uh they um they’d analyze the early votes

2:51:56.069,2:52:04.030
and and you know who’s not voting young people
why aren’t young people voting you know it’s

2:52:04.030,2:52:11.560
it’s polling shows really clearly that young
people are by far and i mean by far more concerned

2:52:11.560,2:52:18.279
about um climate change and how we handle
climate economic crisis they’re more concerned

2:52:18.279,2:52:22.910
about it than anyone else and though and so
these people aren’t voting why aren’t they

2:52:22.910,2:52:28.810
voting maybe they’re not voting because mansion
just stripped the most important part of climate

2:52:28.810,2:52:33.020
amelioration out of the buildback better build
you think that might have something to do

2:52:33.020,2:52:39.140
with it i do and why is joe biden in glasgow

2:52:39.140,2:52:48.399
uh the night before an election well you know
it wasn’t planned that way he’s meeting with

2:52:48.399,2:52:56.100
leaders of other countries uh i mean to do
what to learn what he already has he already

2:52:56.100,2:53:04.750
has a a new green deal a green new deal on
his desk that he could push

2:53:04.750,2:53:09.240
he doesn’t need to go to this climate summit
he knows what has to be done well it’s it’s

2:53:09.240,2:53:16.310
a it it’s supposedly all the leaders of the
world being there together it gives it some

2:53:16.310,2:53:23.229
kind of impetus in various countries i i don’t
i you know i don’t know what to say i’m glad

2:53:23.229,2:53:28.000
that he’s participating look let’s face it
biden is a figurehead it would be like queen

2:53:28.000,2:53:33.939
elizabeth going there and waving also but
you know that’s what is he going to do here

2:53:33.939,2:53:40.790
actually prince philip not prince phil prince
charles has been

2:53:40.790,2:53:47.470
is is a better ally when it comes to climate
change and prince philip the royal family

2:53:47.470,2:53:53.190
has been speaking out i don’t know which one
is charles or which one is philip i’m just

2:53:53.190,2:53:59.199
in favor of all royals having their heads
chopped off well uh i don’t agree with you

2:53:59.199,2:54:05.479
on that so you you you’re not so sure why
don’t you agree with me

2:54:05.479,2:54:13.729
it’s time for royal families to fade into
oblivion no i think it’s time for the rich

2:54:13.729,2:54:21.021
to fade in i think you tax the rich into oblivion
all about the royal family how about taxing

2:54:21.021,2:54:25.080
them too it’s the opposite they give them
money anyway i don’t care about the english

2:54:25.080,2:54:29.630
royal family to be completely honest but you
brought it up and i i decided to start writing

2:54:29.630,2:54:35.680
my mouth about it i do agree with you about
taxing the rich into a certain kind of oblivion

2:54:35.680,2:54:41.760
and i’ve been talking about like anything
over 10 million dollars and other people might

2:54:41.760,2:54:47.340
tell me you know you’re crazy it shouldn’t
be 10 million it should be 1 million um but

2:54:47.340,2:54:52.090
but i think any any money over 10 million
dollars should be taxed at a very very very

2:54:52.090,2:55:01.750
high rate very high rate like 90 i had lunch
saturday with professor harvey jk lucky you

2:55:01.750,2:55:10.210
yes and we were at a a very inexpensive what’s
it called it’s a french bone something i can’t

2:55:10.210,2:55:15.400
remember and we’re sitting talking about how
much money you need and i said in new york

2:55:15.400,2:55:19.720
city you need a lot of money you need a lot
of money i said you know i would meet you

2:55:19.720,2:55:27.290
for coffee to just sit and talk there are
no places in new york city they’ve gotten

2:55:27.290,2:55:33.560
rid of all the bookstores so you can’t meet
at a barnes noble for just a cup of coffee

2:55:33.560,2:55:39.029
they’ve set it up so there’s no what about
like a starbucks or something yeah it’s a

2:55:39.029,2:55:45.350
little they make it yeah maybe starbucks but
it’s really hard other places like starbucks

2:55:45.350,2:55:49.229
i don’t drink coffee i never had a coffee
in my life so i don’t follow it that closely

2:55:49.229,2:55:54.960
but i keep hearing about it or sometimes i
see there were like uh coffee shops and stuff

2:55:54.960,2:56:01.210
well you go to starbucks and it’s non-union
from the from the time the bean is picked

2:56:01.210,2:56:06.680
till the cup is served it’s nine in buffalo
they’re trying to unionize the starbuck workers

2:56:06.680,2:56:13.410
and now they’re remodeling every starbucks
they say that has uh union aspirations in

2:56:13.410,2:56:20.080
buffalo but uh how much money they’re closing
them down well they’re remodeling them until

2:56:20.080,2:56:25.899
they stop asking for a union how much money
would we need if america were livable if this

2:56:25.899,2:56:32.180
were a livable country that you know where
you could find a quiet place to live with

2:56:32.180,2:56:39.410
a little space and some health care and dental
people would not uh people would not feel

2:56:39.410,2:56:47.340
the need to fill the void in their life with
work and buying garbage they don’t need they

2:56:47.340,2:56:53.279
porno did you hear that uh josh hawley today
talking about men using more porno than ever

2:56:53.279,2:57:00.871
before right because they’re killing our masculinity
or that or maybe we don’t have uh the money

2:57:00.871,2:57:09.640
to live on and they’re killing our humanity
instead right all the same yeah if so how

2:57:09.640,2:57:15.370
much money at the top end does somebody need
until it starts getting sociopathic where

2:57:15.370,2:57:18.939
you start saying oh

2:57:18.939,2:57:25.390
a billion like it’s no no no the thing is
this what what i’ve found from being around

2:57:25.390,2:57:33.010
rich people is that the richer you are the
more grasping of money you become and so it’s

2:57:33.010,2:57:38.290
never it’s if you’re you know if you’re a
millionaire then you’re going to look not

2:57:38.290,2:57:43.340
towards people who have a hundred grand and
think oh i’m doing so much better than them

2:57:43.340,2:57:47.580
you look towards someone who has 5 million
or someone who has 10 million and you think

2:57:47.580,2:57:52.460
they’re doing so much better than me it’s
not fair i have to get more and i really it

2:57:52.460,2:57:57.630
was like shocking to me i mean i spent most
of most of my life well not really most of

2:57:57.630,2:58:04.830
it anymore but until i was in my late 20s
i spent it outside of the um the money economy

2:58:04.830,2:58:10.899
i i it money was not part really a part of
my life uh i didn’t have any that’s why it

2:58:10.899,2:58:17.949
wasn’t and i had a happy enough life i loved
it and then when i started working for warner

2:58:17.949,2:58:23.131
brothers and getting money i noticed that
i was thinking i feel i remember a friend

2:58:23.131,2:58:31.290
of mine very very close friend who who i love
saying to me one day we are going to buck

2:58:31.290,2:58:38.840
this system and we are going to we are going
to get rich and i’m thinking to myself i am

2:58:38.840,2:58:45.229
rich i’m making a hundred thousand dollars
a year i am rich my father never made anything

2:58:45.229,2:58:52.600
like that and but he he felt he had been working
there a long time and he he felt you know

2:58:52.600,2:58:57.130
there was a have you been on the phone with
me when a mountain lion jumped on my roof

2:58:57.130,2:59:00.430
have you ever been on the phone when that
happened there’s a mountain lion that just

2:59:00.430,2:59:08.239
jumped on my roof a minute ago and i can’t
get the goddamn uh animal department to come

2:59:08.239,2:59:15.220
here and get it every day it’s coming in i
see it every day is he dangerous oh i imagine

2:59:15.220,2:59:20.900
i’m not going to put my hand anywhere near
him

2:59:20.900,2:59:28.220
anyway i’m sorry it just happened call congressman
schiff these your call constituent services

2:59:28.220,2:59:33.280
well that’s a good idea you know that i didn’t
thought about that yeah well without control

2:59:33.280,2:59:39.189
don’t they tag them like they don’t they know
this guy was he the famous one they’re all

2:59:39.189,2:59:46.069
famous that every one of them is famous this
this one unfortunately he he comes up he hangs

2:59:46.069,2:59:50.480
out on my roof and then eventually he goes
and jumps over the fence to the neighbors

2:59:50.480,2:59:56.430
who have two children two little children
right and i called the damn park rangers to

2:59:56.430,3:00:01.850
come and get them and they said they would
but they didn’t uh they said oh yeah one of

3:00:01.850,3:00:06.770
these uh mountain lions can take down uh i
forgot the name of the dorky a mastiff he

3:00:06.770,3:00:13.450
said well you take down a mastiff and and
run off with them in one second my name has

3:00:13.450,3:00:21.489
children and they purr that’s the scary mountain
lions purr which is great yeah i want to get

3:00:21.489,3:00:27.939
have you seen the servile i think it’s pronounced
servile they’re they’re cats the size of a

3:00:27.939,3:00:36.130
dog yes i was thinking of getting one for
my mother fabulous yeah they don’t eat what

3:00:36.130,3:00:41.779
they don’t eat people that’s one thing and
getting one from my mother how nice um anyway

3:00:41.779,3:00:47.960
i forgot where i was what are we talking about
next week with will we’re not going to see

3:00:47.960,3:00:55.779
bernie getting behind the infrastructure bipartisan
infrastructure bill or the buildback better

3:00:55.779,3:01:02.449
right we’re not going to see anything past
i i don’t know i don’t know i wish i did know

3:01:02.449,3:01:08.420
but i but i don’t i think that the congressional
progressive caucus is going to get behind

3:01:08.420,3:01:12.380
it i i don’t know what bernie’s going to do
bernie has the power to stop it the same way

3:01:12.380,3:01:18.600
that manchin does bernie can just say no bernie
can say if you don’t put this in i’m not voting

3:01:18.600,3:01:24.580
for it and then he and uh manchu can stare
at each other but in the end manchin doesn’t

3:01:24.580,3:01:32.390
care about people and bernie does right so
what happened right he would so you’re saying

3:01:32.390,3:01:40.000
mansion would prefer no no bill care one way
or the other mansion’s constituents are not

3:01:40.000,3:01:46.320
human beings manchester’s constituents are
you know atm machines that pay him off and

3:01:46.320,3:01:51.560
have made his family family fabulous how do
we get even with him well we can’t get even

3:01:51.560,3:01:58.190
with him uh until after this mess and certainly
you know i mean he may not choose to run again

3:01:58.190,3:02:03.640
uh and if he or he may choose to just join
the gop i don’t i don’t know how do you get

3:02:03.640,3:02:07.940
i don’t know how you get him i know how you
get cinema well but you know i’m not talking

3:02:07.940,3:02:13.540
about again nothing physical i don’t know
i’m talking about electoral what about but

3:02:13.540,3:02:17.590
what about the daughter what about shaming
the door what about like getting the dog we’ve

3:02:17.590,3:02:22.380
been shaming comfort for years she doesn’t
care what about price the price fixing that

3:02:22.380,3:02:29.550
went on with the pen why why you know what
now there you got something because uh biden

3:02:29.550,3:02:33.899
could have done that he could have said you
know we’re going to open an investigation

3:02:33.899,3:02:38.330
uh if you don’t get in line but that’s not
biden’s style i mean that would have been

3:02:38.330,3:02:43.649
what lbj would have done right but that isn’t
what uh biden does and you know biden is not

3:02:43.649,3:02:48.771
a strong leader biden’s not oh i don’t want
let me spam me from getting into into biden

3:02:48.771,3:02:53.100
again i’m getting in trouble with some of
my readers who are accusing me of being a

3:02:53.100,3:02:58.750
republican in this fight how could you look
at what this piece of human excrement what

3:02:58.750,3:03:06.250
are you talking about the president of the
united states oh god going to blaspheme what

3:03:06.250,3:03:12.120
is he doing in glasgow right now there’s there’s
nothing that he needs to be told that has

3:03:12.120,3:03:17.810
to be done about he knows exactly what has
to be done about climate change and it’s sitting

3:03:17.810,3:03:18.910
in the green new deal

3:03:18.910,3:03:28.390
he’s a figurehead and they all are they’re
not it’s just a symbolic thing it’s actually

3:03:28.390,3:03:32.630
a good thing that they’re doing it what would
he be doing here do you think he would be

3:03:32.630,3:03:37.620
doing something do you think he would be getting
this bill passed he is he’s you know what

3:03:37.620,3:03:43.949
he is we knew what he is before it went when
he was running we knew what he was way before

3:03:43.949,3:03:50.540
obama decided okay he’s got to be the president
and and pulled the strings and got clyburn

3:03:50.540,3:03:57.810
to uh cut off bernie’s head in south carolina
puma abedin who was married to one of your

3:03:57.810,3:04:04.930
favorite kind and she may run for congress
now she’s running for congress she no no she

3:04:04.930,3:04:11.020
no i shouldn’t say that she has she was asked
if she is gonna if she may run for office

3:04:11.020,3:04:17.190
not congress office and she said she won’t
rule it out i’m gonna open the floor when

3:04:17.190,3:04:21.570
i say goodbye to you and ask the people in
our virtual studio audience i would prefer

3:04:21.570,3:04:29.330
to ask the women this question huma abedin
claims that she was sexually assaulted by

3:04:29.330,3:04:34.040
a senator in her new book she says she was
sexually assaulted but she won’t give his

3:04:34.040,3:04:40.510
name oh i have a future guest calling me on
the online let me go goodbye thank you howie

3:04:40.510,3:04:46.590
klein read them over down with tyranny and
he is the founder and treasurer of the blue

3:04:46.590,3:04:53.290
america pack thank you howie he’s gone you’re
listening to the david feldman show david

3:04:53.290,3:05:01.090
feldman show dot com when we come back we’re
going to talk about glasgow with peter kalmas

3:05:01.090,3:05:09.109
he’s a climate scientist at nasa’s jet propulsion
lab and author of being the change live well

3:05:09.109,3:05:17.680
and spark a climate revolution you’re listening
to the david feldman show david feldman com

3:05:17.680,3:05:27.590
let’s hear some music from professor mike
steinel there’s so much to choose from i think

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we’ll go with this

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i’m traveling light got everything i need
got a little bottle of wool light and a little

3:05:52.040,3:05:58.550
bag of weed got to saw bellow novel because
i really like to read i’m traveling light

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i’m a creature of the road got no regrets
gave up my postal code and cigarettes i’m

3:06:10.060,3:06:18.350
doing much better with a touch of a tourettes
i’m traveling

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just need a clean room in a motel 6. not too
close to downtown but not out in the sticks

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i need my pen and teller magic kit so i can
do my tricks got my favorite pillow which

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i call mr fluffy four kinds of allergy pills
in case i get stuffy a pound of wraps and

3:06:46.880,3:06:51.569
salts cause my ankles get puffy i’m traveling
light

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i got two pairs of socks and shorts in my
little police a couple of passports and my

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sex dolls and knees i’m staying real quiet
so they don’t call the police

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in case i want to change my gender i’m traveling

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oh

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i got a big bag of twizzlers in cape i had
some visitors febreze if i’m really stinky

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a polaroid in case i get kinky my jesus

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i got my podcast mixer in a fancy microphone
my exercise bike so i have a place to hang

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my pants my very valuable hummel collection
a menorah made of dishes a christmas tree

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i like to keep my options open don’t you know
a shoe shine kit a skill saw a crossword book

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a large supply of mechanical pencils a year’s
worth of new york magazines i’ve been trying

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to get around to read some scripts that i’ve
been tweaking for those people in l.a and

3:09:44.930,3:09:46.399
my enemies

3:09:46.399,3:09:51.109
welcome back you’re listening to the david
feldman show david feldman show dot com that

3:09:51.109,3:10:00.300
is professor mike steinel he joins us in about
two hours with some new music and our guest

3:10:00.300,3:10:09.199
peter i don’t think he’s going to be showing
up today so we have 20 minutes before we’re

3:10:09.199,3:10:16.830
joined by dr harriet fraud i have two choices
i can run one of henry’s interviews which

3:10:16.830,3:10:24.920
i was going to run later i can do that or
i can open the floor to our virtual studio

3:10:24.920,3:10:33.890
audience at the top of the show i wanted to
talk about huma abedin who is considered to

3:10:33.890,3:10:40.790
be hillary’s second daughter she was married
to anthony weiner who used to be a congressperson

3:10:40.790,3:10:47.600
from brooklyn he ended up going to prison
for coercing photos out of an underage girl

3:10:47.600,3:10:56.189
huma abedin has a new book out and she says
she was sexually assaulted by a united states

3:10:56.189,3:11:02.409
senator and the question i asked at the top
of the show is what does she owe the metoo

3:11:02.409,3:11:10.300
movement i’m not a woman i don’t know what
she owes the metoo movement this is a delicate

3:11:10.300,3:11:17.310
issue but i’m curious if you’re huma abedin
and you have hillary clinton’s ear and you’re

3:11:17.310,3:11:23.670
that powerful and you’re sexually assaulted
by a united states senator are you falling

3:11:23.670,3:11:31.739
short by just saying i was sexually assaulted
by a united states senator without telling

3:11:31.739,3:11:37.800
us who that senator is i would assume that
had you gone to the police we would know about

3:11:37.800,3:11:38.800
this

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uh that means there’s a united states senator
who is free to assault other people so i’m

3:11:50.850,3:12:02.820
curious what does somebody in a relative position
of power owe to the metoo movement in the

3:12:02.820,3:12:09.150
21st century is it enough just to write a
book and say i was sexually assaulted by united

3:12:09.150,3:12:16.380
states senator without giving out his name
i was told not to bring this up somebody said

3:12:16.380,3:12:23.130
this is none of your business are there any
women in our virtual studio audience who would

3:12:23.130,3:12:31.989
like to comment on this i’m curious what what
they think raise your hand to talk about that

3:12:31.989,3:12:40.850
or anything else if you if you wish i see
a hand raised and there we go alicia in mexico

3:12:40.850,3:12:49.979
hello elisha thank you for are you there yes
i’m here hi hi so uh what what do what do

3:12:49.979,3:13:00.170
you think you know i have real mixed emotions
about people like uh what’s her name um yeah

3:13:00.170,3:13:07.770
yeah um and i to me so much of the me too
movement has become a kind of celebrity thing

3:13:07.770,3:13:13.340
versus i mean i work in all these countries
well the united states as well you know working

3:13:13.340,3:13:21.100
class women who go to work uh in shops and
all of these things where they are subjected

3:13:21.100,3:13:28.649
to all kinds of harassment versus i’m not
saying that powerful women don’t have uh things

3:13:28.649,3:13:33.420
that happen to them but there’s there’s a
little bit more of a of a game that goes on

3:13:33.420,3:13:41.440
i think you know um so i i i really feel like
it just becomes a kind of a gossip thing a

3:13:41.440,3:13:46.149
book selling thing and we lose focus on the
waitresses i remember when i used to cocktail

3:13:46.149,3:13:51.040
waitress you know to get my way through college
and the kinds of stuff that i had to put up

3:13:51.040,3:13:56.500
with and i would like to focus more on that
i mean i think most of us know that powerful

3:13:56.500,3:14:05.979
men are can be and oftentimes are slime bags
you know and i i just i find it revolting

3:14:05.979,3:14:13.180
if i had to be honest with you listening to
all of these celebrity types go on about how

3:14:13.180,3:14:19.600
they were assaulted or this or that uh when
many of them had the opportunity in one way

3:14:19.600,3:14:26.890
or another to walk away from it i mean i you
know i will i remember you know something

3:14:26.890,3:14:33.240
kind of similar when i was i used to write
for a column and i remember this sort of like

3:14:33.240,3:14:42.450
uh semi-6 tv screenwriter guy that wanted
to meet with me to maybe get together and

3:14:42.450,3:14:50.409
talk about writing a tv script and so i went
and you know met with him to to have lunch

3:14:50.409,3:14:54.090
or whatever and of course that wasn’t what
he was interested at all in and i won’t get

3:14:54.090,3:15:00.409
into it but i thought to myself how many women
say yes to that you know how many women say

3:15:00.409,3:15:05.930
yes to that and get i don’t know right thousand
dollars and maybe maybe he would you know

3:15:05.930,3:15:09.740
go through with that and write a screenplay
or whatever and again i’m not trying to say

3:15:09.740,3:15:19.580
that people like uma ahmadine deserve that
but i am i’m less sympathetic to them than

3:15:19.580,3:15:26.960
i am to uh women that i have worked with in
where they have no choice i mean they’ve got

3:15:26.960,3:15:31.570
that job they have to keep it i mean i the
kinds of things that and women around the

3:15:31.570,3:15:37.320
world as well in places where i’ve been in
cairo and mexico city and so forth so i i’m

3:15:37.320,3:15:41.790
less concerned about her and i don’t know
how much her revealing anything does anything

3:15:41.790,3:15:50.620
for working women okay because my reaction
my reaction immediately because i’m a man

3:15:50.620,3:15:59.540
was and i and i think i i suspect i’m wrong
but it was and this is my honest reaction

3:15:59.540,3:16:06.790
which is by saying you were sexually assaulted
by a united states senator but not giving

3:16:06.790,3:16:15.720
out his name in a book who are you helping
well she’s helping herself sell books you

3:16:15.720,3:16:22.989
know i mean i look who she works with look
who she married i mean again she you know

3:16:22.989,3:16:29.190
get yourself to a psychiatric couch you know
as soon as possible but i i just think that

3:16:29.190,3:16:39.370
um again you know the focus needs to be on
uh working women um who who are trapped in

3:16:39.370,3:16:46.600
these jobs and who have no choice they’re
not you know it’s it’s a different issue that

3:16:46.600,3:16:52.720
she has you know what i mean and it’s salacious
you know what’s happened with me too is it’s

3:16:52.720,3:17:00.380
become sadly salacious rather than really
effective you know and play out for me we

3:17:00.380,3:17:12.010
saw with christine blasley blasey ford the
the woman who accused the rapist uh kavanaugh

3:17:12.010,3:17:19.680
when you name a name there are consequences
to that well when you name a name but i mean

3:17:19.680,3:17:23.359
you’re dragged through the mind i know there’s
reasons for not doing it but it turns into

3:17:23.359,3:17:30.020
this kind of kabuki theater it just turns
into a lot of wealthy white women um and i’m

3:17:30.020,3:17:34.479
not saying they weren’t abused but they kind
of need to look at how they allow them so

3:17:34.479,3:17:40.180
i just don’t know if anybody watched miss
mrs america about phyllis schlafly you know

3:17:40.180,3:17:46.149
and there’s this whole way that women i mean
that’s a whole other issue but there’s a whole

3:17:46.149,3:17:51.430
way that women play into to harming other
women i mean you know if you if you look at

3:17:51.430,3:17:56.220
handmaid’s tale and all of these kinds of
stories and i i look at some of these women

3:17:56.220,3:18:02.660
and you know when they decide to say it who
they decide it’s like after they’ve gotten

3:18:02.660,3:18:08.960
all the benefits after they’ve after they’ve
gone up the ladder then they speak out versus

3:18:08.960,3:18:14.560
women who like myself and other people who’ve
walked away who’ve stood up who’ve said things

3:18:14.560,3:18:22.989
generally like again i i want to be careful
how i say this but look at what she’s doing

3:18:22.989,3:18:27.500
she’s writing a book and you know she’s gotten
together with her publishers her agents and

3:18:27.500,3:18:33.399
they figured out what’s going to sell books
and they don’t want th they don’t want the

3:18:33.399,3:18:37.659
lord why don’t you tell us and you know let’s
have her on an interview see if we can get

3:18:37.659,3:18:45.370
her to reveal and you know it’s it’s just
disgusting anyways thank you thank you thank

3:18:45.370,3:18:52.290
you i wanted only women to weigh in on this
so thank you well thank you alicia let us

3:18:52.290,3:19:00.399
now go to new york city where dr harriet fraud
is standing by she is the host of two podcasts

3:19:00.399,3:19:07.199
it’s not just in your head and capitalism
hits home one of them is with max golding

3:19:07.199,3:19:13.510
and she is a licensed hypnotherapist and let
me ask you a question you’re thank you you’re

3:19:13.510,3:19:22.140
early uh david cobb can’t do the show this
week or next week and we had another guest

3:19:22.140,3:19:28.260
scheduled for 7 30 but uh something happened
so the topic i brought up and i’d like to

3:19:28.260,3:19:35.200
ask you this uh huma abedin anthony weiner’s
ex-wife has a new book out she says she was

3:19:35.200,3:19:41.199
sexually assaulted by a united states senator
she won’t name the name then you and i’m saying

3:19:41.199,3:19:47.500
well what does she owe the metoo movement
does she owe it to us and then i look at prince

3:19:47.500,3:19:57.949
andrew who has been accused of sexually assaulting
committing statutory rape with one of jeffrey

3:19:57.949,3:20:03.750
epstein’s victims virginia jeffrey

3:20:03.750,3:20:10.750
they are going after her now they are dragging
this woman through the mud calling her easy

3:20:10.750,3:20:17.970
and an opportunist this is a girl who was
set was trafficked by jillaine maxwell as

3:20:17.970,3:20:25.109
a child and prince andrew now is dragging
her through the mud i guess that answers my

3:20:25.109,3:20:30.760
question why isn’t huma abedin coming forward
and naming the name of the senator you go

3:20:30.760,3:20:36.010
after a united states senator and accuse him
of sexual assault you’re not going to win

3:20:36.010,3:20:43.739
are you well it’s going to even if you win
it will be dragged out and you will be humiliated

3:20:43.739,3:20:52.239
and accused and it has to be worth it to you
right and huma abedin is already kind of a

3:20:52.239,3:21:00.410
victim in everyone’s eyes because of marrying
anthony weiner well named but i remember the

3:21:00.410,3:21:06.560
daily news when he wanted to stay in the race
the daily news had a headline weiner sticks

3:21:06.560,3:21:11.600
it out

3:21:11.600,3:21:20.319
that’s pretty good yes it was but i mean she’s
known as a victim and she was also probably

3:21:20.319,3:21:31.090
doubly a victim but the people who sexually
abuse women

3:21:31.090,3:21:37.630
are also monstrous people who turn around
and accuse their accusers that’s a trump style

3:21:37.630,3:21:45.270
maneuver yeah use your lawyers make them pay
and so it’s pretty sick on the other hand

3:21:45.270,3:21:50.510
i have a client who’s a lovely fellow who
was falsely accused and who’s in terrible

3:21:50.510,3:21:57.360
trouble because everybody believes the woman
even though he has evidence that her allegations

3:21:57.360,3:22:07.920
are untrue right so that this whole area of
sexual abuse and of calling out predation

3:22:07.920,3:22:13.649
and sexual predation and acknowledging sexual
predation is a new one and people are go all

3:22:13.649,3:22:19.930
over the place with it it’s a new men who
perpetrated our trying to defend themselves

3:22:19.930,3:22:26.060
even cuomo with those 11 women said you know
it was just a paternal style i learned in

3:22:26.060,3:22:32.500
the old italian way and so on you know what
was your reaction over over the weekend we

3:22:32.500,3:22:39.721
discovered that they are charging andrew cuomo
the former governor of new york who had a

3:22:39.721,3:22:46.740
step down for sexual they call it harassment
i call it assault if you touch somebody grab

3:22:46.740,3:22:53.300
someone’s breast under their blouse that’s
assault that’s assault it’s not sexual harassment

3:22:53.300,3:22:56.489
it’s assault and now he’s facing

3:22:56.489,3:23:04.210
criminal charges i believe misdemeanor criminal
criminal charges that may carry a year in

3:23:04.210,3:23:13.359
prison it’s been politicized why aren’t why
do they why is why is andrew cuomo being prosecuted

3:23:13.359,3:23:21.529
but cyrus vance can’t seem to get donald trump
behind bars what was your reaction to andrew

3:23:21.529,3:23:28.819
cuomo being charged well i think that andrew
cuomo first of all andrew cuomo was such a

3:23:28.819,3:23:35.870
um a figure of very divergent feelings for
new yorkers he was excellent during the pandemics

3:23:35.870,3:23:42.080
beginning he was one of the few that gave
weekly rundowns that were actually accurate

3:23:42.080,3:23:51.080
he did leave off the death count at the nursing
homes whose donor he from whose donor he richly

3:23:51.080,3:23:58.689
benefited but he he was one of the few reasonable
voices however that style that aggressive

3:23:58.689,3:24:05.689
bullying style which screams and bullies men
and women and sexually demeans women is out

3:24:05.689,3:24:10.470
of order and where you have a he said she
said you don’t really know if the woman is

3:24:10.470,3:24:17.180
making it up for political advantage like
the woman who accused biden of pushing her

3:24:17.180,3:24:22.729
into an alcove at the capitol and molesting
her there are no alcohols at the capitol she

3:24:22.729,3:24:31.569
was a little careless or whoever was managing
her from trump’s camp was a little too sloppy

3:24:31.569,3:24:40.479
and so she was silenced but there is an environment
in which sexual abuse is on the agenda sexuality

3:24:40.479,3:24:46.029
is on the agenda and if it’s he said she said
you really don’t know but if it’s he said

3:24:46.029,3:24:53.720
and she said 80 times that is cosby’s case
or he said she said 100 times as in weinstein’s

3:24:53.720,3:25:03.439
case where he said you know when is it 15
and she said 15 times in r kelly’s all right

3:25:03.439,3:25:09.359
well that’s very different and so i do think
everything can be abused sexual abuse can

3:25:09.359,3:25:17.160
be abused women can try to get advantages
or men can try to get advantages through claiming

3:25:17.160,3:25:24.920
sexual abuse but if you have numerous counts
you’re guilty and in terms of cuomo there

3:25:24.920,3:25:31.290
are numerous accounts of his overstepping
his sexual boundaries right with the women

3:25:31.290,3:25:37.310
in his office i i want to roger ailes

3:25:37.310,3:25:47.449
a monster is a monster is a monster you you
cannot compartmentalize a man’s behavior if

3:25:47.449,3:25:55.440
you sexually assault a woman that’s not the
first time you’ve sexually assaulted a woman

3:25:55.440,3:26:02.319
and it’s not the only bad thing you do in
your life that you do other things to men

3:26:02.319,3:26:08.750
that might not be sexual assault for example
i was reading an interview with kevin smith

3:26:08.750,3:26:15.020
who somehow became a producer on goodwill
hunting a movie starring robin williams ben

3:26:15.020,3:26:26.790
affleck and matt damon harvey weinstein killed
goodwill hunting in the theaters because robin

3:26:26.790,3:26:35.659
williams had a bigger cut of the theatrical
ticket than he did the video rentals so the

3:26:35.659,3:26:43.069
movie ended up getting an oscar for for robin
williams there was tremendous getting great

3:26:43.069,3:26:52.140
reviews weinstein is a monster and he screwed
robin it was more important for him to see

3:26:52.140,3:27:01.870
robin not get his cut of the movie and so
the movie was taken out of circular distribution

3:27:01.870,3:27:08.990
to screw robin just to screw him out of some
money partly it is that within the capitalist

3:27:08.990,3:27:17.680
system those people who are the owners and
the ceos feel they have the privilege to access

3:27:17.680,3:27:23.920
every service they need for money that they
need all the sexuality that they need that

3:27:23.920,3:27:31.250
is their right as dominant men and i must
say as i have talked about this it also came

3:27:31.250,3:27:37.739
to light that there’s a huge number of men
who are sexually propositioned by their bosses

3:27:37.739,3:27:45.050
and feel obliged now they’re not raped and
held down but they’re economically threatened

3:27:45.050,3:27:52.410
sex is another by male bosses by other male
bosses and female bosses right as well right

3:27:52.410,3:28:00.279
next is another service for the privileged
and it’s another entitlement of the capitalist

3:28:00.279,3:28:08.529
owner i will access every service from you
that i want including sexual satisfaction

3:28:08.529,3:28:19.380
with men it’s not sexual not always sexual
domination of a mayor male underling it can

3:28:19.380,3:28:26.220
be something as the meeting was called for
noon i’ll show up at three o’clock i will

3:28:26.220,3:28:33.930
keep you i better wait and you will wait for
me for three hours and i dare you to say anything

3:28:33.930,3:28:39.800
i’m gonna rob you of three hours of time that
you could have spent either with your family

3:28:39.800,3:28:45.279
pursuing your own interests or working for
the company doing work for the company it’s

3:28:45.279,3:28:53.160
more important for my swagger to keep you
waiting three hours how many times have i

3:28:53.160,3:28:58.819
gone through that how many times have we gone
through something as simple as our time it’s

3:28:58.819,3:29:05.150
a combination once you are a capitalist in
charge you have the right to dominate in every

3:29:05.150,3:29:11.660
way cuomo was known as bullying the people
in his office he bullied the women sexually

3:29:11.660,3:29:19.230
demeaning them by calling them honey and baby
talking about their bodies and insulting their

3:29:19.230,3:29:27.550
outfits and what finally did him in was that
bullying because he and men and men he bullied

3:29:27.550,3:29:35.130
men he bullied men in some ways he bullied
women in other ways but he was a bully and

3:29:35.130,3:29:45.520
needed to dominate and what finally did him
in was that you know most state police who

3:29:45.520,3:29:52.100
are guarding a celebrity don’t tell what the
celebrity is doing right unless they do it

3:29:52.100,3:30:00.530
to the state police officer exactly and not
only that that is an honor that comes with

3:30:00.530,3:30:08.430
certain amount of service and that seniority
and he chose a shapely state trooper pushed

3:30:08.430,3:30:16.760
her ahead of all the others in order to access
her sexuality and the others decided okay

3:30:16.760,3:30:24.650
your detail will rat on you whatever you do
so labor got him back and he would humiliate

3:30:24.650,3:30:32.979
the husband of that the females the yeah he
would do he would humiliate the husband in

3:30:32.979,3:30:39.890
front of the wife to establish dominance and
say look what i can get away with so this

3:30:39.890,3:30:45.810
isn’t about you know they always say rape
is not about sex it’s about power so that’s

3:30:45.810,3:30:53.290
right he wasn’t gonna get anything from this
state trooper and chances are he probably

3:30:53.290,3:31:02.770
couldn’t if he could get anything from her
he couldn’t perform so all he could do was

3:31:02.770,3:31:10.899
swagger he and say to himself i am more because
you are less right it’s exactly the opposite

3:31:10.899,3:31:16.649
of a cooperative arrangement where you decide
together out of mutual respect whatever you’re

3:31:16.649,3:31:24.580
doing whether it’s in sex or whether it’s
in business but he had to be he had to dominate

3:31:24.580,3:31:32.090
you have to win over people it’s the goal
is winning getting more for you more services

3:31:32.090,3:31:40.450
more acquiescence more subordination more
adoration more attention it’s the capitalist

3:31:40.450,3:31:49.030
idea more i’m winning because i’m getting
more and in this case it’s more power and

3:31:49.030,3:31:55.649
it’s ingrained we see it with sports it’s
winning for the sake of i’ve never i’m not

3:31:55.649,3:32:02.189
a sport i just you know i was interested in
sports and then i discovered a new set of

3:32:02.189,3:32:09.409
balls to play with that were much more satisfying
and i don’t i’m not interested in childish

3:32:09.409,3:32:15.569
games i wish i could watch the world series
but it’s you know it’s pick its side and root

3:32:15.569,3:32:22.330
for it and when and then you’re in the workplace
and as you just said you’re dealing with men

3:32:22.330,3:32:28.120
who who have to win who are competitive it’s
not for the good of the company it’s not for

3:32:28.120,3:32:34.740
the good of anything other than i want to
win i want to move on up and i want that big

3:32:34.740,3:32:40.439
office and i want people to know that i’m
important because i don’t feel important i

3:32:40.439,3:32:50.600
don’t i feel lousy so i need power i remember
my uh the was the professor saying there were

3:32:50.600,3:32:56.199
big fights over who got the corner office
among these professionals really i mean it’s

3:32:56.199,3:33:03.370
a sense that i am more because i get more
power i get more privilege i get more sexual

3:33:03.370,3:33:10.460
access and it isn’t about enjoying that it’s
about accumulation right okay and that’s what

3:33:10.460,3:33:16.420
capitalism is about you always have to accumulate
more because your competitor might be doing

3:33:16.420,3:33:22.020
something and you have to be ready to invest
because you have more you can and you can

3:33:22.020,3:33:28.760
outshine that person and it’s a very ugly
way to treat people and it’s the opposite

3:33:28.760,3:33:35.960
of what you want in a society our society
is really sick yeah i i you know i have i’ve

3:33:35.960,3:33:46.120
been i’m just old and my advice to young people
is show me somebody with a corner office and

3:33:46.120,3:33:54.359
a title and i will show you someone who is
being marginalized at work the the the power

3:33:54.359,3:34:01.060
structure is such especially when it’s men
who are in charge anytime they give another

3:34:01.060,3:34:13.029
man a title and a big office it’s to quiet
him down and make him go away

3:34:13.029,3:34:24.229
and if you have that corner office and that
title you are a threat to everyone who’s above

3:34:24.229,3:34:32.010
you and you will be so if you want to make
it in corporate america don’t have an office

3:34:32.010,3:34:42.399
don’t have a title yeah go for go just go
for some money and influence and it’s the

3:34:42.399,3:34:47.909
thing is that because then you’re a threat
all the way down except in nursery school

3:34:47.909,3:34:53.020
you have to civilize the children they don’t
say take all the kid take all that kid’s toys

3:34:53.020,3:34:59.500
and sell them back to him for his lunch no
everybody’s supposed to share because you

3:34:59.500,3:35:06.100
can’t have peace anywhere without that but
capitalism brings out the most disgusting

3:35:06.100,3:35:13.490
competitive ugly things in people alec baldwin
alec baldwin a couple of people said to me

3:35:13.490,3:35:20.029
why are you picking on alec baldwin and i
say because he killed somebody he killed somebody

3:35:20.029,3:35:25.720
accidentally but because of his own greed
because he was the producer of this of the

3:35:25.720,3:35:34.980
movie and he knew they were replacing the
union workers with scabs that day the day

3:35:34.980,3:35:45.470
he killed somebody he was handed a a hot gun
by a scab a a a what they call a phi core

3:35:45.470,3:35:52.010
member of the dga who was against the dga
he knew that guy was a scab he knew he had

3:35:52.010,3:35:58.220
a non-union set and had it been a union set
he wanted to kill somebody and i think of

3:35:58.220,3:36:08.540
him punching somebody for a parking spot getting
arrested for and and people say they they

3:36:08.540,3:36:14.140
laugh and they go you know alec has uh he’s
got uh issues you know he’s got a temper but

3:36:14.140,3:36:21.489
you know he means well he means well there
you punch somebody over a parking spot that’s

3:36:21.489,3:36:28.949
crazy also the woman that he killed had she
walked off with the iazzi workers she wouldn’t

3:36:28.949,3:36:36.790
have been dead right and she said i’m in solidarity
i will not work here right that um and i mean

3:36:36.790,3:36:43.620
i’m sure he did feel badly afterwards but
of course that unbridled greed that he had

3:36:43.620,3:36:51.609
paid for that day and that he was the he was
in charge here was more important than anything

3:36:51.609,3:36:59.899
else you know kristin um god see g-h-o-d-s-e-e
has a wonderful book why is sex better under

3:36:59.899,3:37:07.920
socialism and she talks about why it is better
why even people comparing the gdr sex and

3:37:07.920,3:37:13.470
western germany it’s because if someone doesn’t
hold an economic cudgel over you to support

3:37:13.470,3:37:19.979
you because you have state support and protection
for yourself and your children it really helps

3:37:19.979,3:37:28.090
relationships because your equals your economic
and social equals rather than someone having

3:37:28.090,3:37:34.840
power over you and money over you you’re talking
about the gdr the the german democratic democratic

3:37:34.840,3:37:40.250
republic east germany before the war collapsed
right and sex was better relationships were

3:37:40.250,3:37:45.140
better i don’t know about the rest of the
relationship she doesn’t discuss it but she

3:37:45.140,3:37:51.479
says the sex was better and then after the
wall fell there there were studies that she

3:37:51.479,3:37:59.409
cites between western german men whether their
sex was better with people who had come from

3:37:59.409,3:38:05.590
these germans or western german women and
it was much better with the eastern german

3:38:05.590,3:38:11.069
women because even with all the ills and spying
of that society there was free subsidized

3:38:11.069,3:38:17.979
child care there were meals you could take
home from work it wasn’t the sex wasn’t treated

3:38:17.979,3:38:23.330
the sex wasn’t transactional it was more honest
it wasn’t transactional it wasn’t you didn’t

3:38:23.330,3:38:29.770
have to use sex in order to have economic
gain which is what these men are counting

3:38:29.770,3:38:36.399
on in their offices these women need the job
they can be manipulated and used for whatever

3:38:36.399,3:38:43.100
the boss wants and if you take that motive
away you have a greater chance of an agreement

3:38:43.100,3:38:50.159
for mutual pleasure among equals you know
i’m i’m smiling i’ve said this once before

3:38:50.159,3:38:56.989
on the show and it’s true i’m gonna you know
i’m a baby boomer i’m a product of my culture

3:38:56.989,3:39:06.750
my parents values and i’m being honest with
you i wish i got laid because i was rich famous

3:39:06.750,3:39:14.550
and successful i’m being honest i’ve been
so conditioned and programmed by the the culture

3:39:14.550,3:39:20.760
that i’m thinking i i wish once i got laid
because i was rich powerful and success i

3:39:20.760,3:39:26.119
wish i wish a woman liked me only because
i was successful i wonder what that would

3:39:26.119,3:39:31.760
be like but i’m being embarrassed i’m sorry
what you wouldn’t you would know you were

3:39:31.760,3:39:39.460
dominating a person i would know that yes
if you if someone had sex with you only to

3:39:39.460,3:39:44.180
get something out of you you’d know you were
using somebody and she was using you suppose

3:39:44.180,3:39:51.550
she was just starstruck what about what about
just being starstruck is that domination no

3:39:51.550,3:39:57.310
that’s possible although taking advantage
of a star-struck person who admires you is

3:39:57.310,3:40:04.800
a little strange because you’re not equals
what kristen godsey’s book why sex is better

3:40:04.800,3:40:12.649
under socialism is about his sex among equals
is a very different thing from sexes domination

3:40:12.649,3:40:20.350
right right you know and is that so learning
uh this is really important so i i don’t want

3:40:20.350,3:40:29.869
to make a joke about this sex has to be equal
it has to be consensual you have to keep communicating

3:40:29.869,3:40:34.229
and asking and is this okay is that okay

3:40:34.229,3:40:49.720
the idea that you take somebody right that
is society conditioning both sexes to to think

3:40:49.720,3:40:54.699
that way but that’s not natural right that’s
not that’s not enough there is nothing natural

3:40:54.699,3:41:02.040
humans are cultural beings right so that’s
not natural and what you have there’s a guy

3:41:02.040,3:41:09.529
in moscow idaho with a mega church which is
a very well known mega church uh evangelical

3:41:09.529,3:41:19.060
medi mega church who says sex should not be
a pleasure party well it won’t be with him

3:41:19.060,3:41:26.080
the man conquers and dominates and the woman
receives as she should in other words he’s

3:41:26.080,3:41:31.720
counseling rape which is another extension
of this i take power you don’t have a choice

3:41:31.720,3:41:40.090
it’s little sort of mini imperialism i take
over you have no choice i conquer and i dominate

3:41:40.090,3:41:47.560
and my in the case of a guy like weinstein
epstein i want to make them all jewish cosby

3:41:47.560,3:41:58.680
lester moonves roger ailes it’s that same
idea i conquer i take for my pleasure and

3:41:58.680,3:42:07.239
[ __ ] you literally right right do not exist
as a person in nature i can remember being

3:42:07.239,3:42:16.659
younger being around male friends and there’d
be cats screaming outside they were in heat

3:42:16.659,3:42:25.359
and somebody said see that’s you know sex
is uh non-can you know something of the cat

3:42:25.359,3:42:32.189
was not it was non-consensual and i remember
thinking well wait a second the re that’s

3:42:32.189,3:42:40.979
the female cat saying no yeah that that’s
not a female cat we need consent necessarily

3:42:40.979,3:42:48.700
rape each other a lot of animals need consent
right most of the this is gruesome during

3:42:48.700,3:42:55.040
rutting season on the highways you’ll most
of the the deer you see on the side of the

3:42:55.040,3:43:04.170
road are female deers who are who have been
they’ve been snuck up from behind and they’ve

3:43:04.170,3:43:11.430
said get get away from me and they bowled
out onto the street and get hit by uh cars

3:43:11.430,3:43:18.880
so uh kind of depressing to bring that up
i don’t know sorry you know but animals have

3:43:18.880,3:43:24.979
the choice right most animals have the choice
to leave they’re not raped right is taking

3:43:24.979,3:43:31.610
power over someone for your own privilege
it is exactly equivalent to imperialism right

3:43:31.610,3:43:39.670
so in 1452 that pope saying any christian
who lands on a land that is not christian

3:43:39.670,3:43:50.979
has a right to conquer and invade so when
when uh cosby weinstein when they’re called

3:43:50.979,3:43:58.529
animals that’s a disservice to animals totally
unfair to animals they are humans they are

3:43:58.529,3:44:06.390
very much capitalist humans right let’s talk
about workers and the democratic party i’m

3:44:06.390,3:44:13.900
obsessed with false allies people who present
themselves as allies of the world like alec

3:44:13.900,3:44:20.580
baldwin you know i’m not gonna let up on alec
baldwin because i mentioned this at the top

3:44:20.580,3:44:27.380
of the show he the night before he killed
somebody he went on instagram and said he

3:44:27.380,3:44:34.431
supported ayatsi and said if you decide to
go on strike i will support you he was in

3:44:34.431,3:44:44.080
a hotel a luxurious hotel that was also promised
to the iatsi members of the movie he was producing

3:44:44.080,3:44:50.540
and they showed up and were told no you’re
staying 50 miles away at a flea bag in albuquerque

3:44:50.540,3:44:55.460
but he said i support your right and i will
support you if you strike like he had any

3:44:55.460,3:45:01.250
choice in the matter if they go on strike
everything gets shut down the very next day

3:45:01.250,3:45:10.930
the police escorted ayatsi off this the set
that he was a producer on but he gets to present

3:45:10.930,3:45:21.370
himself as a left-of-center ally of the working
man and you know there would be as you pointed

3:45:21.370,3:45:30.460
out a cinematographer alive tonight had he
not hired scabs that’s right she would be

3:45:30.460,3:45:36.250
alive if she had walked off the set and he
who had real power would also be alive but

3:45:36.250,3:45:42.260
that false allies is a very important thing
it’s very important in the workers movement

3:45:42.260,3:45:47.760
now because i was trying to figure out what
happened to the democratic party it used to

3:45:47.760,3:45:53.580
be allied with the union movement it was union
contributions that pushed them over the top

3:45:53.580,3:46:02.359
and the one who changed that was clinton supposedly
a progressive ally and what he did was he

3:46:02.359,3:46:08.199
may he was progressive on gender at least
in his statements even though he molested

3:46:08.199,3:46:16.720
people and was and everybody i’m sorry and
he was a rapist juanita broderick that’s right

3:46:16.720,3:46:26.700
he was a rapist and he was progressive on
race relationships and yet what he did was

3:46:26.700,3:46:37.569
the democratic recipe changed he’s the one
who initiated the um treaties the north nafta

3:46:37.569,3:46:49.640
right which then lost about well 700 000 jobs
directly well-paid jobs to mexico and then

3:46:49.640,3:46:56.159
those workers could never get such well-paid
jobs and gave the manufacturers freedom to

3:46:56.159,3:47:03.300
threaten with every strike will move your
jobs to mexico right and then that same recipe

3:47:03.300,3:47:12.250
was taken up by obama so the white working
class was made more and more oppressed and

3:47:12.250,3:47:17.119
it’s only with the pandemic where people were
told how essential they were and then not

3:47:17.119,3:47:24.199
paid and where the top billionaires made 400
billion and they didn’t get a raise that that

3:47:24.199,3:47:30.600
changed but it was that clinton plan so hillary
clinton could refer to the mass of people

3:47:30.600,3:47:35.199
as the basket of deplorables right because
if you don’t have money and you’re not in

3:47:35.199,3:47:41.220
the rich celebrity culture you’re deplorable
right if you have to work and they changed

3:47:41.220,3:47:46.870
the recipe they got much more corporate money
they sold out the unions they sold out the

3:47:46.870,3:47:54.180
working class and they made some symbolic
gains that are important right but nonetheless

3:47:54.180,3:48:02.250
hillary clinton was such a fake feminist she
was for raising the minimum wage to 12.50

3:48:02.250,3:48:10.200
an hour well 65 of minimum wage workers are
women so that’s not so progressive compared

3:48:10.200,3:48:19.890
to to uh bernie was 15 dollars an hour and
yet it was really the black south that that

3:48:19.890,3:48:27.580
um what voted for hillary right even though
he and he cut well he got rid of welfare bill

3:48:27.580,3:48:34.970
clinton he got rid of welfare and also he
had symbolic events he had some of his campaign

3:48:34.970,3:48:43.800
headquarters at the teresa hotel in harlem
but meanwhile he’s shafting him like obama

3:48:43.800,3:48:50.470
who is brown and who made a point of saying
some very progressive things meanwhile since

3:48:50.470,3:48:57.250
he rescued the banks and didn’t rescue the
homeowners and it was the subprime mortgages

3:48:57.250,3:49:02.659
were sold overwhelmingly to blacks who lost
more wealth under obama than they had for

3:49:02.659,3:49:12.479
the previous time since uh the end of reconciliation
and in the south i mean really it’s that fooling

3:49:12.479,3:49:20.239
them and that’s why i think trump’s voters
hate women’s rights and hate minority rights

3:49:20.239,3:49:27.229
because somehow that was used to immiserate
them as a cover right but still you know i

3:49:27.229,3:49:35.760
think it was the clintons whose recipe looked
progressive on race and gender while you shaft

3:49:35.760,3:49:41.220
the masses of working people black and brown
and white and you get all the corporate money

3:49:41.220,3:49:52.109
right and they got us convinced it’s not not
you uh maybe me uh sometimes convincing well

3:49:52.109,3:49:57.420
these are the things they have to say to get
elected you don’t you know you you have to

3:49:57.420,3:50:03.250
look like you’re pro-business and pro-wall
street and that you’re strong on military

3:50:03.250,3:50:09.460
otherwise you’re going to be seen like mcgovern
and weak so they’re just looking strong but

3:50:09.460,3:50:15.159
you know you know his heart that’s how joe
biden ran he’s like a caricature but what

3:50:15.159,3:50:21.350
do you do when you get in i mean when clinton
got in the unions that backed him and raised

3:50:21.350,3:50:28.370
the money for him expected he’d kill nafta
right it was democratic it was a democratic

3:50:28.370,3:50:35.170
congress that killed nafta before under bush
right so he’s not sure but no he changed the

3:50:35.170,3:50:46.410
recipe and al gore and al gore album for the
masses of working people who are emigrated

3:50:46.410,3:50:52.880
other countries like germany the strongest
economy in europe all of scandinavia with

3:50:52.880,3:51:01.130
stronger economies and even france forbid
outsourcing it’s illegal if you want to outsource

3:51:01.130,3:51:06.819
in sweden you have to find every single worker
in your current factory an equivalently paid

3:51:06.819,3:51:12.109
equivalent job it’s cheaper to make a different
product if that one didn’t sell than it is

3:51:12.109,3:51:22.149
to outsource it’s just forbidden in germany
you know i i was saying earl i say this all

3:51:22.149,3:51:30.399
the time i don’t have a pr i do have a problem
with exxon mobil but exxon mobil has to do

3:51:30.399,3:51:38.850
what it has to do and they have to do what
they have to do and uh i know that they’re

3:51:38.850,3:51:48.949
the enemy my problem is the the the the faux
ally the person who’s supposed to be representing

3:51:48.949,3:51:57.790
me and says you know it’s complicated yeah
right and and they really are ordinary folks

3:51:57.790,3:52:09.000
they’re divorce attorneys they are divorce
attorneys prolong the divorce by creating

3:52:09.000,3:52:16.470
nuance gray areas because they make more money
the longer this goes they are they are they

3:52:16.470,3:52:20.970
should be driven off a cliff every single
divorce attorney it should be against the

3:52:20.970,3:52:29.290
law to have to have a divorce go through the
courts that’s ridiculous um and so you know

3:52:29.290,3:52:38.091
when joe biden and the democrats present themselves
as the friend of the working man that’s more

3:52:38.091,3:52:45.590
sinful than somebody like lindsey graham’s
uh saying hey we got to get rid of that extra

3:52:45.590,3:52:53.770
300 a week we ca it’s costing management too
much you know they’re they won’t come back

3:52:53.770,3:53:00.699
to work we at least the republicans say get
rid of welfare get rea let’s starve them out

3:53:00.699,3:53:06.600
i’m so hungry that they have to work no matter
how degrading and underpaid that’s right god

3:53:06.600,3:53:13.270
bless i’m serious god bless them for for drawing
a line in the sand and telling us who the

3:53:13.270,3:53:19.310
enemy is and what they believe trump said
that he was the working person’s friend he

3:53:19.310,3:53:23.640
he’s going to make america great again and
bring them back their jobs right so they all

3:53:23.640,3:53:31.050
need a bit of that false populism but it is
more fake like hillary clinton tried to get

3:53:31.050,3:53:38.229
the feminists to vote for her because she
has a vagina however what she did to women

3:53:38.229,3:53:46.510
not four women was terrible it was terrible
to um suggest a lower wage it’s terrible to

3:53:46.510,3:53:52.300
call people a basket of deplorables because
they don’t have money they also initiated

3:53:52.300,3:53:58.569
that money and prestige money and fame that’s
what’s important well they are the more they

3:53:58.569,3:54:04.300
built this place the people who stormed the
capital and the people i went to those rallies

3:54:04.300,3:54:10.830
for trump they’re deplorable those people
are deplorable they are deplorable fascistic

3:54:10.830,3:54:17.739
people and they’re stupid i’m stupid yeah
they’re just yeah and they’re getting us killed

3:54:17.739,3:54:21.950
they won’t get vaccinated they’re getting
us killed i mean at some point they are and

3:54:21.950,3:54:27.550
also they have no program except to negate
the current program they have nothing positive

3:54:27.550,3:54:34.300
at all to offer and they’re proto-fascists
they really are they’re angry proto-fascists

3:54:34.300,3:54:38.529
who don’t want to look at the real enemy because
the real enemy is actually more powerful than

3:54:38.529,3:54:45.439
they they want to stomp on whoever is lower
in the social order than they are building

3:54:45.439,3:54:56.580
for i i was watching uh matt gates uh is it
cothorn horror thunk hawthorne and and bobert

3:54:56.580,3:55:05.220
and sang things that have nothing to do with
policy pure hatred yes you know let’s go brandon

3:55:05.220,3:55:17.180
this attacking of biden and it’s just about
hating liberals and hating democrats uh hatred

3:55:17.180,3:55:26.290
for the other side you you can actually build
a movement on nothing other than hatred right

3:55:26.290,3:55:33.680
we’re offering you nothing other than hatred
for the other side hatred for blacks arabs

3:55:33.680,3:55:42.939
muslims now i’m kind of pleased to see that
the anti-semitism is out in the open now uh

3:55:42.939,3:55:50.750
so that my jewish friends the the jew my jewish
friends who uh that not they’re not my friends

3:55:50.750,3:55:53.710
my relatives

3:55:53.710,3:56:00.710
who thought who think that they’re not these
people don’t aren’t coming for the jews which

3:56:00.710,3:56:07.420
they are yeah yeah that’s yeah they’re higher
they killed heather heyer and those same people

3:56:07.420,3:56:12.310
that trump said there were a lot of nice people
in that group you know they were fascists

3:56:12.310,3:56:18.880
and anti-semites and they are angry and they
have a right to be angry they have been shafted

3:56:18.880,3:56:24.569
but they don’t want to look up the ladder
to see who did it it’d suck up kick down in

3:56:24.569,3:56:30.330
a classic way that is sick and cruel and it
won’t help their cause it will just express

3:56:30.330,3:56:37.699
their rage and someone like bernie did express
people’s rage but he had a program to help

3:56:37.699,3:56:44.040
he understood the rage that’s right yeah and
he was defeated in large part by southern

3:56:44.040,3:56:49.060
and many southern blacks who thought he was
progressive because he made you know he had

3:56:49.060,3:56:55.370
his campaign headquarters one of them at the
hotel teresa you’re talking about who i’m

3:56:55.370,3:57:03.729
talking about clinton clinton right um you
know and hillary clinton yeah what would have

3:57:03.729,3:57:12.250
happened what happened was the democrat it
was a given that the senate was up for grabs

3:57:12.250,3:57:20.069
it went back and forth between republicans
and democrats but clinton lost the house two

3:57:20.069,3:57:26.520
years into his presidency he lost the house
of representatives that was a tectonic shift

3:57:26.520,3:57:34.850
when newt gingrich won in 94. the republicans
hadn’t had the house in what was it 40 years

3:57:34.850,3:57:44.369
how many years had it been what you turn your
back on the working people you lose the house

3:57:44.369,3:57:50.619
that’s right and there are now two classes
in our capitalist system it’s now the employers

3:57:50.619,3:57:56.330
and those who work directly under them and
get a decent wage and the employees who get

3:57:56.330,3:58:05.750
cheated all the time and you know trump is
a classic demagogue and the republicans went

3:58:05.750,3:58:14.050
to demagoguery right and the democrats went
to corporate money with a veneer of progressive

3:58:14.050,3:58:22.650
gender and race politics but only a veneer
because the people who were shafted were black

3:58:22.650,3:58:30.640
and brown people and women who earn less you
know i hear we have to wrap it up but let

3:58:30.640,3:58:35.229
me let me ask you if this is too simplistic
because i’m utterly convinced this is the

3:58:35.229,3:58:44.119
answer i have spent the past 11 years hearing
democrats say overturn citizens united we’ve

3:58:44.119,3:58:50.030
got to get the money out of politics i’ve
heard democrats who are very wealthy say we

3:58:50.030,3:58:58.069
need a constitutional amendment to overturn
citizens united and good luck with that and

3:58:58.069,3:59:06.319
my answer is we don’t need to get money out
of politics we need to get you out of the

3:59:06.319,3:59:15.060
democratic party we need to get people who
have money out of the democratic party and

3:59:15.060,3:59:25.500
there’s one measure if you’re worth half a
million the dollars quarter of a million dollars

3:59:25.500,3:59:33.770
that is a liability that should be held against
you if you’re perhaps of course it would be

3:59:33.770,3:59:39.220
you wouldn’t think someone’s qualified for
a government position because he’s the cio

3:59:39.220,3:59:44.569
you think well he’s a ceo he’s used to cheating
ordinary people you’re excluded who makes

3:59:44.569,3:59:50.400
an honest living okay who’s the champion of
the people who’s working for non-profits those

3:59:50.400,3:59:56.720
people are the ones we want however the culture
is so saturated with capitalist values that

3:59:56.720,4:00:03.180
it’s assumed that those people can lead we
want a business leader most businesses fail

4:00:03.180,4:00:08.479
and these people are kept on even when they
wreck everything they’re given golden parachutes

4:00:08.479,4:00:15.210
you know roger ailes with a disgusting culture
he got 60 million to leave lester moonves

4:00:15.210,4:00:22.689
who was raping people at 50 million people
who fail get these amazing golden parachutes

4:00:22.689,4:00:29.609
while the people under them are thrown out
with nothing and the american culture eulogizes

4:00:29.609,4:00:36.279
money if you’re you’re rich there’s something
good about you rather than your suspect yeah

4:00:36.279,4:00:44.609
we we have to change the culture parents parents
need to teach their kids that the rich will

4:00:44.609,4:00:55.660
not save us and don’t go to movies starring
millionaires don’t watch anything that’s made

4:00:55.660,4:01:04.330
by a corporation it is suspect anything that’s
made by a corporation is suspect that’s true

4:01:04.330,4:01:09.220
but i also don’t think you should just forbid
them there i just think you should have taxes

4:01:09.220,4:01:14.229
that remove their money yes well said doctor

4:01:14.229,4:01:20.640
you know often people like uh bezos and others
will say i get a dollar a year that’s what

4:01:20.640,4:01:25.699
the person from whole foods said yes you get
a dollar because your stocks are not taxed

4:01:25.699,4:01:30.670
the wealth in them are not taxed and when
you and so you don’t have to pay a penny and

4:01:30.670,4:01:35.200
then when you need money you borrow against
those stocks so then you can get tax write-offs

4:01:35.200,4:01:40.109
on your debt and nobody touches your wealth
they touch your wealth if you’re somebody

4:01:40.109,4:01:46.090
with a little house you get property tax they
touch your wealth if you have a car you get

4:01:46.090,4:01:51.739
a car tax but not your wealth with stocks
and bonds and not your wealth in all of those

4:01:51.739,4:01:59.090
things that are not taxed so if we wanted
to equalize things we would take what fdr

4:01:59.090,4:02:11.000
did 96 no 94.8 of that wealth should be taxed
great dr harriet fraud is the host of capitalism

4:02:11.000,4:02:15.050
hits home and it’s not just in your head how
do people contact you

4:02:15.050,4:02:25.609
agefraud gmail.com or harrietfraud.com um
on my website fantastic thank you i don’t

4:02:25.609,4:02:32.350
have a great show i love talking i the show
is only as good as the guests so this is a

4:02:32.350,4:02:37.811
great show it’s a great show because of you
and our next guest professor adnan hussein

4:02:37.811,4:02:46.010
is bringing back professor david schmidt who
i know from thegreatcourses.com he has a fantastic

4:02:46.010,4:02:53.939
lecture series called mystery and suspense
fiction which i have not finished yet but

4:02:53.939,4:03:01.670
if you’re a fan of the detective novel i’m
going to tell you to go to thegreatcourses.com

4:03:01.670,4:03:10.119
and purchase mystery and suspense fiction
he teaches a class in the detective novel

4:03:10.119,4:03:19.390
from edgar allan poe uh the the rue morgue
the murder at the rue morgue through uh sherlock

4:03:19.390,4:03:27.840
holmes and then agatha christie and then to
on to all the other hard-boiled type of detective

4:03:27.840,4:03:36.500
novels from dashad hamill mickey spelaine
and uh uh raymond chandler and he it’s a really

4:03:36.500,4:03:42.779
great lecture series and the other great thing
about thegreatcourses.com and then i’ll be

4:03:42.779,4:04:00.979
quiet is these classes online teach you that
you can learn anything anywhere and the idea

4:04:00.979,4:04:09.560
i’m going to get angry of sending your kid
to an elite private school

4:04:09.560,4:04:17.970
i used to drive a taurus and it had the same
body as a jaguar i was told that they just

4:04:17.970,4:04:24.050
replaced i’m telling you that when i my taurus
at one time was identical to a jaguar they

4:04:24.050,4:04:31.979
just they changed the body but it had the
same engine basically as a as a jaguar you

4:04:31.979,4:04:41.650
don’t need these elite private schools they
go to the great courses dot com and take mystery

4:04:41.650,4:04:50.680
and suspense fiction study with professor
david schmid and uh i will shut up about this

4:04:50.680,4:04:56.210
but it’ll turn you into a connoisseur of professors
and you’ll see that just because somebody

4:04:56.210,4:05:03.449
says they’re sending their kid to a 50 000
a year preschool to get them on that fast

4:05:03.449,4:05:10.290
track into some 2 million a year private school
it’s not about education it’s about something

4:05:10.290,4:05:20.449
else take it away deep springs graduate professor
aden hussain i’m going to turn my camera off

4:05:20.449,4:05:30.859
and be quiet well thanks so much david for
having us on again and for david schmidt um

4:05:30.859,4:05:36.609
for returning it’s wonderful to have you back
uh with us on the david feldman show thanks

4:05:36.609,4:05:41.670
now i’m very happy to be here thank you for
inviting me well we had a wonderful conversation

4:05:41.670,4:05:48.920
a few months ago about serial killers mass
killings and violence in america in popular

4:05:48.920,4:05:55.930
culture as well and since it was halloween
it seemed like it was a good time to come

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speak with you perhaps about um why halloween
and horror and the whole genre of horror fiction

4:06:05.970,4:06:12.619
and horror movies that you know we’re used
to watching in the lead-up to um halloween

4:06:12.619,4:06:18.569
over this last weekend last month or so why
does it matter why should we care about horror

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well actually at nine i probably should have
given you more notice about this but i feel

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like you know we need to begin by discussing
really the most pressing issue of the day

4:06:29.130,4:06:35.979
and that is of course the nuno has been sacked
as the boss at home so the question is like

4:06:35.979,4:06:42.330
who are they going to hire next talk about
horror well exactly see it’s not a million

4:06:42.330,4:06:46.880
miles divorced from the subject of our conversation
this evening because tottenham have truly

4:06:46.880,4:06:52.330
had a horrific season so far but anyway i
digress uh no your question is an excellent

4:06:52.330,4:06:57.250
one i think i would answer it by saying that
part of the reason that we should care is

4:06:57.250,4:07:03.640
because horror as a genre is booming and it’s
booming across all media whether we’re talking

4:07:03.640,4:07:09.330
about film or television or fiction or video
games or on the internet and i think part

4:07:09.330,4:07:16.500
of the reason for that is because everyday
life for the majority of people is at the

4:07:16.500,4:07:23.890
least anxiety inducing it’s frightening for
others it’s terrifying in the worst case scenario

4:07:23.890,4:07:30.479
and i think part of the reason that horror
is booming today is because the genre speaks

4:07:30.479,4:07:37.090
to those fears sometimes in a cathartic way
so that we can use horror narratives as a

4:07:37.090,4:07:45.120
kind of therapeutic release or relief from
these fears but also because horror has a

4:07:45.120,4:07:52.000
long history of providing a social critique
of one form or another so i think part of

4:07:52.000,4:07:59.489
the reason we should care about horror is
this is where we find uh social critique in

4:07:59.489,4:08:06.720
unexpected forms and in very effective forms
i would i would argue well that’s very interesting

4:08:06.720,4:08:11.689
i mean i think if we’re thinking about the
consumer capitalist era that we’re living

4:08:11.689,4:08:19.710
in that you’re alluding to as this anxiety
uh system that infuses daily life with worry

4:08:19.710,4:08:29.470
anxiety fear and so on it reminds me in terms
of social critique of um you know marx’s capital

4:08:29.470,4:08:34.689
in this community many people participated
in a weekly reading group weekly marks and

4:08:34.689,4:08:40.859
we read capital volume one and i think everyone
was quite astonished that um he filled his

4:08:40.859,4:08:47.870
discussion of political economy with a very
vivid sense of the horror and even refers

4:08:47.870,4:08:56.140
to the werewolf like hunger for surplus value
talks about vampires several times as like

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draining the workers of their lifeblood in
the capitalist system and workers you know

4:09:03.100,4:09:10.399
become extensions of the machines it’s kind
of this dystopic you know matrix-like automatons

4:09:10.399,4:09:16.609
that workers become subordinate to machines
so you know if we think about um capitalism

4:09:16.609,4:09:24.050
even from the very early period it seemed
that marx employed gothic and horror imagery

4:09:24.050,4:09:30.430
i’m wondering you as a horror a scholar of
of horror literature um what do you make of

4:09:30.430,4:09:39.060
this from its very origins and beginnings
well i think if marx was looking for an objective

4:09:39.060,4:09:47.670
correlative so to speak a way to convey the
visceral brutality of capitalism on the one

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hand but also how it often um conceals its
monstrosity in such a way that people are

4:09:57.180,4:10:03.320
tricked into giving their consent in this
case they sell their labor supposedly freely

4:10:03.320,4:10:09.570
and voluntarily and enter into a contract
and then once the contract is signed they

4:10:09.570,4:10:15.390
find themselves in a situation that is uh
much more horrific than they were anticipating

4:10:15.390,4:10:21.680
so if you’re a writer like marx who obviously
has strong literary inclinations in his style

4:10:21.680,4:10:29.619
at all times it should come as no surprise
that he’s going to go to the gothic to find

4:10:29.619,4:10:37.529
that objective correlative because it gives
him i think a a fountain of um of images that

4:10:37.529,4:10:44.590
he can use to dramatize what otherwise could
be you know a very dry and abstract concept

4:10:44.590,4:10:50.279
and goodness knows there are plenty of passages
hidden capital but are indeed dry and abstract

4:10:50.279,4:10:55.720
but um every so often you know we come upon
these uh images of vampires and werewolves

4:10:55.720,4:11:02.220
almost as a kind of oasis in some ways and
they they really succeed in doing what they

4:11:02.220,4:11:09.560
set out to do which is to give us that very
immediate sense of what capitalism does um

4:11:09.560,4:11:15.189
to the human body how devastating it is how
violent it is and i think it’s a tremendously

4:11:15.189,4:11:22.380
effective technique yeah indeed um that’s
really interesting i mean i think you know

4:11:22.380,4:11:29.199
one of his uh remarks i think when he’s talking
about capital accumulation is to liken it

4:11:29.199,4:11:35.740
to cannibalism you know so there’s just so
much um of that it’s interesting to think

4:11:35.740,4:11:42.520
of him as a literary figure not just a kind
of dry political economist we’re reading capital

4:11:42.520,4:11:47.530
volume two now and unfortunately it doesn’t
have as much of this kind of metaphor since

4:11:47.530,4:11:53.170
it didn’t go through his own final editing
but what do you think this kind of literary

4:11:53.170,4:12:01.040
sense of um the horror genre has been able
to accomplish after marx when it really begins

4:12:01.040,4:12:09.340
in film and and so on how does it continue
to uh how does the gothic and the horror uh

4:12:09.340,4:12:15.699
continue to provide a sort of social critique
right well there’s a uh you know a continuing

4:12:15.699,4:12:22.670
debate about what the first true horror film
would be um and in as much as there’s consensus

4:12:22.670,4:12:29.790
on that matter a lot of people point to the
cabinet of dr caligari as inaugurating the

4:12:29.790,4:12:35.590
film horror genre and there i think if you
do choose that as your starting point you

4:12:35.590,4:12:42.330
have a very interesting example of a film
produced immediately following um germany’s

4:12:42.330,4:12:49.609
loss in world war one and the way in which
the filmmakers um both of whom had traumatic

4:12:49.609,4:12:56.649
experience during the war use the horror genre
as a way to comment upon what the country

4:12:56.649,4:13:04.090
had just experienced and in particular trying
to encourage a kind of healthy suspicion of

4:13:04.090,4:13:10.680
authority and to point out the consequences
of what happens when a single individual is

4:13:10.680,4:13:18.229
given too much power so right from the beginning
you can see that horror film has that potential

4:13:18.229,4:13:25.159
to be used as a form of social critique and
even if you were to choose the other popular

4:13:25.159,4:13:30.800
candidate for the beginning of horror film
which would be nosferatu there you have a

4:13:30.800,4:13:36.330
figure that is the vampire that’s not only
used by marx but it is also of course famously

4:13:36.330,4:13:44.670
used by graham stoker and dracula as a kind
of embodiment of colonial and imperial conquests

4:13:44.670,4:13:51.090
and everything that is associated with that
and you see that very clearly in nosferatu

4:13:51.090,4:13:58.920
as well so you could argue that this um tendency
towards social critique or at the very least

4:13:58.920,4:14:05.750
the ability to interpret horror as a former
social critique is really sort of built into

4:14:05.750,4:14:13.670
the dna of the genre right from the beginning
yeah interesting i’m of course inclined to

4:14:13.670,4:14:21.170
want to add to one of the early films in the
genre birth of a nation but i don’t think

4:14:21.170,4:14:27.560
it was intended to be a horror film but uh
for well you know i i would say about that

4:14:27.560,4:14:34.830
adnan that i think one of the advantages of
um a generic classification like horror is

4:14:34.830,4:14:41.750
its flexibility and i think that that in itself
can be a useful tool of critique because you

4:14:41.750,4:14:48.520
can take um a narrative that wouldn’t ordinarily
be classified as a horror narrative and in

4:14:48.520,4:14:56.569
making an argument for why it should be considered
that you not only encourage this kind of self-reflexive

4:14:56.569,4:15:03.130
um relationship with the genre but you also
make an argument for why that genre should

4:15:03.130,4:15:08.029
be extended and why it should be applied in
this particular case so i’m not one of these

4:15:08.029,4:15:14.590
uh people who insist upon you know very sort
of firm limits to the definition i think the

4:15:14.590,4:15:19.920
interest in uh occasions is when precisely
you can argue about whether something should

4:15:19.920,4:15:25.359
be reclassified as a horror narrative well
in this case i would just say if you take

4:15:25.359,4:15:34.250
a you know audience response you uh it certainly
is terror inspiring and terror inducing you

4:15:34.250,4:15:41.689
know the racial violence of the kkk and so
on um but i understand that in the 30s um

4:15:41.689,4:15:49.170
the monster movies like frankenstein and others
became really uh popular and how do you see

4:15:49.170,4:15:56.689
the growth of the genre in the course of the
30s reflecting social critique in that time

4:15:56.689,4:16:04.739
i mean one aspect of this is escapism um so
in other words the monster movies were particularly

4:16:04.739,4:16:12.710
popular um in an era not long after the american
economy had collapsed in 1929 so the standard

4:16:12.710,4:16:20.229
explanation for the popularity of the universal
monster movies in the 1930s is that the public

4:16:20.229,4:16:26.079
were looking for an escape from everyday reality
and i certainly wouldn’t dismiss that reading

4:16:26.079,4:16:32.189
and i would also just say as an aside i don’t
really agree with the attitude that you still

4:16:32.189,4:16:39.590
find amongst a lot of critics of popular culture
who consider escapism to be a bad thing i

4:16:39.590,4:16:44.510
think it’s an absolutely necessary thing it
serves a very important social function but

4:16:44.510,4:16:51.270
beyond that i would argue that what you find
in those uh monster movies of the 1930s is

4:16:51.270,4:16:56.569
another very important element of the horror
genre is this engagement with the figure of

4:16:56.569,4:17:02.619
the other um that is embodied in various forms
whether it be the mummy or frankenstein or

4:17:02.619,4:17:10.329
the invisible man or dracula and on one hand
that engagement with the other is obviously

4:17:10.329,4:17:17.590
characterized by monstrosity and to that degree
the monster is this abjected figure that we

4:17:17.590,4:17:22.591
are meant to be scared of but that’s not the
whole story by any means because if you were

4:17:22.591,4:17:30.960
to take james whale’s 1931 film frankenstein
as an example that film is typical of many

4:17:30.960,4:17:38.069
monster movies of the period in that it also
encourages the audience’s sympathetic identification

4:17:38.069,4:17:44.560
with the monster so otherness and the way
it’s treated in these films is it’s certainly

4:17:44.560,4:17:51.409
not as simple as just identifying a target
for hatred or aggression it’s got just as

4:17:51.409,4:17:58.159
much to do with this sympathetic sympathetic
identification with the figure of the outsider

4:17:58.159,4:18:02.960
and in that sense you could argue that part
of the appeal especially in the context in

4:18:02.960,4:18:09.430
the years after the great depression was it
spoke to people’s um realization that they

4:18:09.430,4:18:16.529
had been left outside of the social contract
this system that everyone believed would take

4:18:16.529,4:18:21.450
care of them has suddenly disappeared and
they’ve been left to fend for themselves and

4:18:21.450,4:18:26.040
in that context a figure like frankenstein
wouldn’t i mean the monster rather would indeed

4:18:26.040,4:18:27.869
be very sympathetic

4:18:27.869,4:18:36.030
yeah that’s a different uh twist to it i have
another thought on it i’m wondering during

4:18:36.030,4:18:44.010
that era this is more technical dimensions
of the genre do you think that i’m just struck

4:18:44.010,4:18:49.210
by the fact that there seemed to have been
so many interesting early films in the horror

4:18:49.210,4:18:58.170
genre and i’m wondering if the era of silent
films somehow was conducive to this kind of

4:18:58.170,4:19:05.250
wordless uh nameless fear i don’t know if
the i mean obviously the genre has developed

4:19:05.250,4:19:12.540
very well with all kinds of audio and dialogue
and everything but it i wonder if if um there

4:19:12.540,4:19:22.800
was something about um the filmmaking and
uh that that um you could tap into some elemental

4:19:22.800,4:19:27.220
form of social critique through horror that
would have been i don’t know less possible

4:19:27.220,4:19:34.130
to do through uh um you know a kind of subject
that would have required a lot of dialogue

4:19:34.130,4:19:37.920
and and and so on i’m just wondering if you
had any thoughts about that that’s interesting

4:19:37.920,4:19:43.850
yeah i i think you could definitely if you
go back to caligari and mos farazu you can

4:19:43.850,4:19:49.800
make the argument that the visual language
of german expressionism which influences those

4:19:49.800,4:19:57.910
films was um more than able to communicate
without the use of audible dialogue whether

4:19:57.910,4:20:03.710
it be through the way the which the sets were
designed or the lighting or the actors expressions

4:20:03.710,4:20:11.600
along with subtitles it was able to convey
meaning very effectively and in fact um ironically

4:20:11.600,4:20:17.510
if you again go to the example of frankenstein
the reason bella lugosi turned down the role

4:20:17.510,4:20:21.979
of the monster was because it had no dialogue
it wasn’t a speaking part he felt that that

4:20:21.979,4:20:27.540
was beneath him and so boris karloff got the
role and does an absolutely extraordinary

4:20:27.540,4:20:35.739
job of communicating to the audience why that
monster deserves sympathy through a very um

4:20:35.739,4:20:42.609
sort of pre-linguistic code of grunts and
moans and facial expressions so i think you’re

4:20:42.609,4:20:48.520
right the visual language of horror is already
sort of very communicative but when you add

4:20:48.520,4:20:54.859
dialogue into that obviously you’re able to
add yet another um weapon in your arsenal

4:20:54.859,4:21:02.189
so to speak so what did filmmakers accomplish
in terms of cultural and social critique in

4:21:02.189,4:21:09.040
later eras when they could combine that visual
dimension uh you know the gruesome uh you

4:21:09.040,4:21:14.579
know kind of slasher type films or you know
what what happens when they can also combine

4:21:14.579,4:21:21.659
dialogue in the sort of post-war period well
i mean very quickly we should say that um

4:21:21.659,4:21:28.340
this is where we need to draw a quick distinction
between what we the the audience can read

4:21:28.340,4:21:35.780
into um and decode from a film and what the
director necessarily intends because if you

4:21:35.780,4:21:40.600
take a film made during the height of the
cold war for example like invasion of the

4:21:40.600,4:21:46.680
body snatches uh the director don siegel and
the star kevin mccarthy have both described

4:21:46.680,4:21:52.060
that film as just a simple adventure film
they never meant for it to be um some kind

4:21:52.060,4:21:58.950
of allegory uh about anti-communism or an
allegorical critique of american conformity

4:21:58.950,4:22:05.890
in the post-war era and yet the film has been
read in both of those ways um consistently

4:22:05.890,4:22:12.550
so the dialogue can give that additional layer
of meaning but it can also be so generative

4:22:12.550,4:22:17.920
that you can have a film like invasion of
the body snatches that can have two completely

4:22:17.920,4:22:25.380
plausible but ideologically and politically
polarized readings um is it a critique of

4:22:25.380,4:22:30.420
anti is it a critique of communism is it a
critique of american conformancy and the answer

4:22:30.420,4:22:37.810
is yes it’s both of those um another example
would be um a really landmark film night of

4:22:37.810,4:22:45.000
the living dead in 1968 directed by george
romero again romero you know never pretended

4:22:45.000,4:22:52.170
to make some kind of grand ideological statement
with that film and he’s he famously claimed

4:22:52.170,4:22:58.229
that even his costume of dwayne jones um an
african-american actor in the lead role which

4:22:58.229,4:23:04.750
historically was immensely important had absolutely
nothing to do with jones race he just said

4:23:04.750,4:23:11.640
he gave the best audition that’s why he got
the role but even there um people very very

4:23:11.640,4:23:20.109
quickly considering the year it was released
um saw the zombies not only as a kind of symbol

4:23:20.109,4:23:26.970
for the excesses of american capitalism and
consumerism but also as a kind of allegory

4:23:26.970,4:23:33.729
for american involvement in vietnam at the
time and so this is i think the best way to

4:23:33.729,4:23:42.529
think of this is that these horror texts have
potentialities and contained within them that

4:23:42.529,4:23:47.670
can be realized by the audience it doesn’t
really matter whether or not the director

4:23:47.670,4:23:55.520
intended that level of meaning as long as
audiences are responsive to what they see

4:23:55.520,4:24:02.000
as that potentiality that to me is more important
because it points to how generative horror

4:24:02.000,4:24:08.000
attacks can be and i would say this is true
even a film that not many people would say

4:24:08.000,4:24:14.359
has any aspirations towards social critique
at all which is the texas chainsaw massacre

4:24:14.359,4:24:20.739
um produced in in the 1974 which many people
would regard as being in the absolute gutter

4:24:20.739,4:24:27.159
of exploitation films and in fact is celebrated
by many people um precisely for that reason

4:24:27.159,4:24:32.899
but even in the case of texas chainsaw bear
in mind that the family of cannibals that’s

4:24:32.899,4:24:39.560
at the center of that film are former slaughterhouse
workers who have been made unemployed and

4:24:39.560,4:24:44.670
consequently with no other means to support
themselves what do they do they start a family

4:24:44.670,4:24:51.149
business they become entrepreneurs as a matter
of fact this is not necessarily something

4:24:51.149,4:24:58.290
that we’re meant to admire their entrepreneurial
spirit but that economic subtext to texas

4:24:58.290,4:25:06.020
chainsaw you don’t have to read too deeply
into a subtext to find that layer of meaning

4:25:06.020,4:25:12.310
so there’s another great example about a film
which a lot of people absolutely despise um

4:25:12.310,4:25:19.110
can be read in such a way to give it uh that
dimension of social critique well that’s fascinating

4:25:19.110,4:25:25.340
because i think you know we’ve heard some
language about those who have been the losers

4:25:25.340,4:25:32.840
and displaced in neoliberalism in recent times
and in fact actually 1974 is about the time

4:25:32.840,4:25:39.290
that whole process of liberalizing the economy
was was the beginning and taking place with

4:25:39.290,4:25:46.479
the oil shocks and so on um but we’ve heard
about deplorables we’ve heard about you know

4:25:46.479,4:25:53.050
people who should basically be considered
much like those characters in the texas chainsaw

4:25:53.050,4:25:59.100
massacre i’m wondering about the contemporary
relevance you mentioned how important horror

4:25:59.100,4:26:05.449
as a genre in every kind of field of contemporary
popular culture you know is there something

4:26:05.449,4:26:13.300
to the to this that um that shift or change
in direction of aspects of the horror genre

4:26:13.300,4:26:20.279
um you know since these slasher films um you
know if if there is something you know to

4:26:20.279,4:26:25.350
recover you know you might say about i think
definitely there is i mean we can’t possibly

4:26:25.350,4:26:31.569
conclude this discussion without mentioning
uh squid game because there is an example

4:26:31.569,4:26:38.360
of a piece of popular culture that a is generically
difficult to pin down is it horror is it suspense

4:26:38.360,4:26:44.930
is it thriller is it crime yes it’s all of
those things so again we have this idea of

4:26:44.930,4:26:51.710
a hybrid monstrous genre that doesn’t obey
sort of neat generic classifications and what

4:26:51.710,4:27:01.390
i would add to that is to me it’s so extraordinary
and telling the the resonance that this narrative

4:27:01.390,4:27:09.420
has with so many people i mean the most popular
program ever streamed on netflix why because

4:27:09.420,4:27:16.120
i think it’s anti-capitalism is there right
on the surface it’s not subtext we all know

4:27:16.120,4:27:22.800
that we cannot have elon musk and jeff bezos
without having the dispossessed on the other

4:27:22.800,4:27:28.880
side these two things exist in a complementary
and symbiotic relationship to us but we it’s

4:27:28.880,4:27:34.989
one thing to know that it’s another thing
to see it visually presented in a compelling

4:27:34.989,4:27:41.609
way in a series like squid game and i think
this is a big part of the reason why that

4:27:41.609,4:27:49.109
show resonated with so many people it really
encapsulates horror’s ability to speak to

4:27:49.109,4:27:56.270
the contemporary social formation in a way
that is not didactic uh it’s not preachy it’s

4:27:56.270,4:28:05.229
dramatic it’s thrilling and it’s able to dramatize
things that we all know exist but to do so

4:28:05.229,4:28:11.670
in a memorable way that’s absolutely terrific
um i’m wondering if anybody has any other

4:28:11.670,4:28:17.069
questions if i would like to open i don’t
know how you’re doing on time professor but

4:28:17.069,4:28:22.050
i have some questions and i’d like to ask
the people in our virtual studio audience

4:28:22.050,4:28:30.619
to raise their hand cancel culture right it
exists i i don’t think it really is a problem

4:28:30.619,4:28:38.109
but people are being censored how is that
affecting horror films

4:28:38.109,4:28:43.340
i don’t think it is at the moment i mean to
me the market for horror narratives is more

4:28:43.340,4:28:49.750
active and more wide open than it’s ever been
before and i think a lot of this um can be

4:28:49.750,4:28:55.800
attributed to the success of get out a few
years ago i think part of the reason that

4:28:55.800,4:29:04.619
get out was a game changer is that like the
exorcist in 1973 it persuaded the culture

4:29:04.619,4:29:10.040
industries and the financiers that horror
could be a mainstream phenomena and it could

4:29:10.040,4:29:16.280
be something that should can and should be
taken seriously and so i think that for that

4:29:16.280,4:29:23.270
reason studios um are more willing to take
a gamble with horror narratives than they’ve

4:29:23.270,4:29:28.920
ever been before and more projects are being
greenlit now that previously would have had

4:29:28.920,4:29:33.890
a really hard time getting funding right but
the success of get out just changed everything

4:29:33.890,4:29:39.010
in that respect the reason i bring this up
is because i’m interested in comedy get out

4:29:39.010,4:29:47.930
was a comedy right is it do you find that
horror films are more subversive politically

4:29:47.930,4:29:56.760
than today’s comedies i think they tend to
be because well do is that a fair statement

4:29:56.760,4:30:02.069
i i personally would agree with that um but
i would also add and this is a point of view

4:30:02.069,4:30:07.271
that not everyone agrees with but personally
i don’t think comedy and horror necessarily

4:30:07.271,4:30:13.239
go very well together i can think of a lot
of those hybrid narratives that work as comedies

4:30:13.239,4:30:18.360
but not as horror narratives i was just going
to ask you about that yeah you can count on

4:30:18.360,4:30:24.350
the you can count on the fingers of one foot
how many of these hybrids are actually successful

4:30:24.350,4:30:30.470
as horror narratives in this in the sense
that they frighten you because to me laughter

4:30:30.470,4:30:40.170
is the antithesis of fear laughter dispels
fear in a way that you cannot have um a comic

4:30:40.170,4:30:45.439
narrative that is also a horror narrative
now what about get out well i think the reason

4:30:45.439,4:30:52.090
the jordan peels succeeds in combining those
two things is that he keeps the comedic elements

4:30:52.090,4:30:59.510
rigidly under control they are almost all
associated with the character of rod whenever

4:30:59.510,4:31:06.579
rod shows up the tsa agent we get these moments
of comic relief when he’s not on the screen

4:31:06.579,4:31:11.760
there’s no comedy and i think that’s how you
do it and that’s what jordan peele understands

4:31:11.760,4:31:17.270
um and so it has to be something that’s introduced
with a very very light touch so it doesn’t

4:31:17.270,4:31:24.040
dissolve uh the fear and the dread that we
expect from horror to me excuse me for one

4:31:24.040,4:31:30.040
second professor hussain and then i’ll i but
this is really important to me comedy i do

4:31:30.040,4:31:38.699
think there’s a link between comedy and horror
that the more horrible something is the funnier

4:31:38.699,4:31:43.979
it is i i always think you know a the only
thing funnier than your grandmother falling

4:31:43.979,4:31:53.350
down fly to steps is if she’s in a wheelchair
and has the flu right so you know that that

4:31:53.350,4:32:00.989
that’s a fact as far as i’m concerned with
comedy and i’ve i’ve seen myself so horrified

4:32:00.989,4:32:11.590
at some horror films that i’ve seen that i’ve
laughed out of surprise and shock so if you’re

4:32:11.590,4:32:18.890
playing it for comedy it’s no good but if
you’re playing it for sheer horror you’re

4:32:18.890,4:32:22.909
going to get bigger laughs is that a fair
statement i think that is a fair statement

4:32:22.909,4:32:30.239
and we should also add that to me this makes
a difference as to whether you’re watching

4:32:30.239,4:32:35.739
a horror film by yourself or in a movie theater
because i think once you add that communal

4:32:35.739,4:32:41.390
dimension to the experience the comedy tends
to get amped up i mean i’ll give you an example

4:32:41.390,4:32:46.070
before the lockdown before the pandemic i
was watching a not very good horror movie

4:32:46.070,4:32:52.180
uh with my kids in the movie theater called
the prodigy about an evil child and at one

4:32:52.180,4:32:57.029
point in the film when it’s already been established
that the kid is evil he comes into his mother’s

4:32:57.029,4:33:01.140
room and the kid’s about eight or nine years
old and he says mommy can i sleep in your

4:33:01.140,4:33:08.541
bed tonight and before the mother replies
someone in the audience said oh hell no the

4:33:08.541,4:33:13.080
whole movie theater collapsed right because
it was it’s what we were all thinking but

4:33:13.080,4:33:21.369
the timing was perfect the punchline was there
and that kind of interaction between the audience

4:33:21.369,4:33:31.639
and the screen i think can play such an important
role um to me there can’t be great laughter

4:33:31.639,4:33:37.480
unless that’s right unless you’ve created
tension unless there’s absolutely and and

4:33:37.480,4:33:46.711
laughter is is the release yeah evil is funny
iago and othello is funny and you know people

4:33:46.711,4:33:53.650
get people get mad i mean it but it also varies
i mean for example i assumed that to go back

4:33:53.650,4:34:00.439
to get out i assumed that most people’s reaction
when uh rod the ts agent shows up at the end

4:34:00.439,4:34:05.539
of the film to rescue chris is that when they
realize it’s rod when i watched the film the

4:34:05.539,4:34:12.439
audience went crazy everyone started clearing
cheering and clapping i spoke to someone recently

4:34:12.439,4:34:18.049
who saw get out when it was first released
at a cinema in the deep south they started

4:34:18.049,4:34:24.191
clapping before they realized it was wrong
in other words they were cheering and clapping

4:34:24.191,4:34:28.910
when they thought it was the cops when they
realized it was wrong there was dead silence

4:34:28.910,4:34:33.840
in the cinema at which point my friend started
to feel really nervous and said maybe we should

4:34:33.840,4:34:40.441
leave so you know those moments of like laughter
and release and tension also have that kind

4:34:40.441,4:34:46.160
of unpredictability um sort of built into
them you don’t always know how someone’s going

4:34:46.160,4:34:53.549
to respond even though it’s coded right professor
uh i’ll turn it back to professor hussein

4:34:53.549,4:34:58.160
how much do you have time to take some questions
from the audience yeah absolutely i just want

4:34:58.160,4:35:04.500
to see that john hayes has a question why
don’t we ask have john hayes ask yes yes um

4:35:04.500,4:35:10.049
david what do you think about david cronenberg
for example he focuses on body horror as it

4:35:10.049,4:35:16.730
were dealing with the self and that’s my feeling
about it it’s just people are insecure about

4:35:16.730,4:35:22.520
their own self enough to trust themselves
or their own bodies and how they might relate

4:35:22.520,4:35:30.039
to uh horror in general yeah i’m i’m a huge
cronenberg fan i think the body horror genre

4:35:30.039,4:35:36.750
in particular can be extremely subversive
because it sort of speaks to those very intimate

4:35:36.750,4:35:44.609
fears we have about our own bodies their ability
to turn against us or our perceptions of what

4:35:44.609,4:35:51.100
we feel to be their inadequacies and it’s
also a great subgenre to explore the gender

4:35:51.100,4:35:57.639
dimensions of bodies as well so although body
horror is not to everyone’s taste i think

4:35:57.639,4:36:04.980
it’s a really good way to touch the audience
the pun intended to touch the audience in

4:36:04.980,4:36:11.289
a way that really um makes them experience
those fears at a very visceral level and that’s

4:36:11.289,4:36:18.529
what i admire about it that’s why i think
it’s useful thank you i agree rodrigo has

4:36:18.529,4:36:19.529
a question

4:36:19.529,4:36:34.809
let me uh can he unmute rodrigo

4:36:34.809,4:36:44.189
my question is aren’t there lots of uh horror
movies where we’re expected to root for the

4:36:44.189,4:36:52.869
rich white survivors when they come after
frankenstein’s monster for being very challenged

4:36:52.869,4:36:57.270
i’m conflating a lot of things there but

4:36:57.270,4:37:04.160
yeah i i think on the surface when we see
you know that classic image of the mob of

4:37:04.160,4:37:10.750
angry villagers with the flaming torches pursuing
the monster in theory we’re meant to be um

4:37:10.750,4:37:17.449
on the side of the angry villages but um i
don’t think that’s necessarily a given and

4:37:17.449,4:37:24.680
i think especially if you re-watch frankenstein
in 2021 uh hopefully you would be less inclined

4:37:24.680,4:37:31.600
than ever to identify with the angry mob now
that of course is not going to be true for

4:37:31.600,4:37:38.820
everyone but that’s one of the things that
makes the political messages or content of

4:37:38.820,4:37:43.990
horror narratives so interesting as i indicated
before when i was talking about invasion of

4:37:43.990,4:37:51.770
the body snatches you can have mutually incompatible
readings of a horror narrative that co-exists

4:37:51.770,4:37:58.449
with each other so that means that you can
show a film to a hundred people and you know

4:37:58.449,4:38:02.270
they could split right down the middle in
drawing completely different messages and

4:38:02.270,4:38:08.660
conclusions from it so even though the subtextual
layer of meaning may be there that doesn’t

4:38:08.660,4:38:12.939
mean that it’s always going to be read identically
by every member of the audience and it’s one

4:38:12.939,4:38:21.869
of the things that makes these texts so rich

4:38:21.869,4:38:23.639
i think we have a question from professor
john

4:38:23.639,4:38:31.469
professor john i have to allow you to talk

4:38:31.469,4:38:43.031
yes hello uh hi yeah i i just want to you
know on that point of you know the audience

4:38:43.031,4:38:52.539
interpreting the message of or messages of
the of the work whether it’s yeah um if you’re

4:38:52.539,4:38:58.801
trying to create a film that is delivering
a particular message or getting people to

4:38:58.801,4:39:02.289
think in a particular way about something
um

4:39:02.289,4:39:13.559
television shows are criticized for being
heavy-handed yeah is there a way to do that

4:39:13.559,4:39:20.061
that um you know it’s not knocking the person
over the head and do you have any examples

4:39:20.061,4:39:29.840
of that well i think very often um in horror
narratives especially in films over the years

4:39:29.840,4:39:36.430
there’s tended to be a kind of tension when
it comes to the conclusion of a narrative

4:39:36.430,4:39:42.298
which is obviously where you’re going to you
know leave your audience with something like

4:39:42.298,4:39:48.048
the moral that they’re meant to take away
from this story and there has been a tension

4:39:48.048,4:39:55.280
between providing resolution on the one hand
and leaving things open-ended on the other

4:39:55.280,4:40:00.410
and some people have felt very strongly that
part of the appeal of horror narratives is

4:40:00.410,4:40:07.298
that in the narrative horror comes to an end
and so for that reason resolution of some

4:40:07.298,4:40:14.218
kind must be provided now you can do that
in a way that’s not necessarily didactic if

4:40:14.218,4:40:19.550
you can also combine that resolution with
the possibility that not everything is as

4:40:19.550,4:40:24.320
neatly resolved as it appears now apart from
anything else this is a good business model

4:40:24.320,4:40:29.878
ironically because then you leave open the
possibility of a sequel and this is something

4:40:29.878,4:40:34.980
that actually goes again all the way back
to dr caligari one of the interesting things

4:40:34.980,4:40:40.690
about that film is that it provides a frame
narrative and a lot of people have been critical

4:40:40.690,4:40:46.872
of that frame narrative because they say it
makes the story too conventional it wraps

4:40:46.872,4:40:52.950
up all of the loose ends and it allows the
viewer to walk out of the movie theater with

4:40:52.950,4:40:59.170
us with a feeling of tidy resolution some
filmmakers want that other filmmakers definitely

4:40:59.170,4:41:05.620
don’t i think nowadays we’re tending more
and more toward a lack of resolution because

4:41:05.620,4:41:09.638
we’re comfortable with that and part of the
reason we’re comfortable with that is because

4:41:09.638,4:41:14.550
we live in a world without resolutions we
live in a world without you know any tidy

4:41:14.550,4:41:18.950
conclusions to these problems

4:41:18.950,4:41:28.460
i think we i think we’ve gotten to everybody
i believe uh i’ll be piggish and ask one question

4:41:28.460,4:41:38.420
about the exorcist yeah i went and saw the
25th anniversary of the exorcist it was showing

4:41:38.420,4:41:46.372
at ucla now the first time i saw it i had
never been that scared in my life 25 years

4:41:46.372,4:41:53.790
later i’m living in los angeles a friend of
mine and i go to ucla and it’s filled with

4:41:53.790,4:42:02.040
young coeds who in the lead up to the movie
the coming attract there was an energy in

4:42:02.040,4:42:10.040
the room that reminded me of my father showing
me frankenstein and telling me there was a

4:42:10.040,4:42:17.500
you you’re not going to believe how terrified
my generation was you’re going to laugh at

4:42:17.500,4:42:24.410
what scared us yeah and i remember i hadn’t
seen i hadn’t seen the exorcist in 25 years

4:42:24.410,4:42:30.030
and i just heard these young kids laughing
and they were smoking and probably taking

4:42:30.030,4:42:39.500
mushrooms and i’m thinking they don’t think
they’re not anticipating this movie and i

4:42:39.500,4:42:48.040
don’t know how scary it’s going to be and
i saw young kids freaking out yeah from that

4:42:48.040,4:42:56.128
movie and i have to admit i enjoyed it of
all the movies i teach on a regular basis

4:42:56.128,4:43:01.110
the exorcist is the one that still tends to
get under their skin um when i first started

4:43:01.110,4:43:05.600
teaching the horror film there were films
i left off the syllabus thinking they might

4:43:05.600,4:43:09.770
be too intense for them and as it turned out
not only have they seen them but the average

4:43:09.770,4:43:13.791
age at which they first watched them was 10
or 11 years old like what movies who you know

4:43:13.791,4:43:20.058
what well for first unlike takashi mikey’s
audition which is a terrifying movie and they

4:43:20.058,4:43:26.468
watched it at 11 years old which is just inconceivable
to me but the exorcist has that rare ability

4:43:26.468,4:43:32.780
to still be shocking and disturbing to the
contemporary generation the other thing i

4:43:32.780,4:43:37.840
would compare it to in that sense in literature
is william burroughs this naked lunch not

4:43:37.840,4:43:43.250
because of any similarity in subject matter
but simply because you can still teach naked

4:43:43.250,4:43:47.690
lunch today and students are disgusted by
it which is one of the reasons i love naked

4:43:47.690,4:43:53.190
lunch because so few things so few things
can do that however i would just add one more

4:43:53.190,4:44:02.540
thing david um i once taught uh texas chainsaw
massacre and the next week a female student

4:44:02.540,4:44:07.890
came to me and said um oh by the way the class
had let out about 10 o’clock at night so she

4:44:07.890,4:44:12.620
drove back to her apartment and realized that
she’d locked herself out of her apartment

4:44:12.620,4:44:18.570
so had to spend the night in her car after
watching texas chainsaw massacre she said

4:44:18.570,4:44:23.940
the film hadn’t scared her at all but the
combination of the film and having to sleep

4:44:23.940,4:44:29.378
in her car for the night that did it so i
would say if you think a film hasn’t scared

4:44:29.378,4:44:33.958
you try sleeping in your car the night after
you’ve immediately seen it and you’ll have

4:44:33.958,4:44:40.400
a much better sense of how much the film got
to you or not can a movie trunk can a movie

4:44:40.400,4:44:45.171
traumatize somebody like where you think it
can yeah i mean that gets us into the whole

4:44:45.171,4:44:49.890
area of trigger warnings which is obviously
like a whole kettle of fish someone said i

4:44:49.890,4:44:56.410
should have trigger one into my horror film
class and i felt my response was to say if

4:44:56.410,4:45:01.090
you’re taking a horror from class i would
think the trigger warnings are unnecessary

4:45:01.090,4:45:07.370
but yes i think so and often they can sneak
up on us we don’t know that we’re going to

4:45:07.370,4:45:11.622
have this response until we’re in the middle
of the movie and then it’s too late um but

4:45:11.622,4:45:16.680
arguably i would say a lot of horror films
have psychological escape patches built into

4:45:16.680,4:45:24.208
them to stop us from becoming over identified
there’s a very very very small number of horror

4:45:24.208,4:45:30.048
films that make us feel complicit with what
we’re seeing and that to me is the sign of

4:45:30.048,4:45:35.580
a truly great horror film uh and i’m thinking
of films like henry portrait of the serial

4:45:35.580,4:45:41.958
killer or michael hanukkah’s funny games that
make us feel that we are responsible by virtue

4:45:41.958,4:45:47.888
of the fact we are watching him for what’s
happening on the screen and that’s an intensely

4:45:47.888,4:45:53.330
uncomfortable feeling and it’s a feeling that
most films want to avoid like the plague because

4:45:53.330,4:46:00.110
what most of us want is guilt-free enjoyment
of violence and that’s what we get from horror

4:46:00.110,4:46:04.548
i the hardest i’ve laughed at a horror film
was henry portrait of a serial killer i only

4:46:04.548,4:46:12.770
saw it once and i remember it the henry said
to his roommate it was 30 years ago that i

4:46:12.770,4:46:19.520
saw it that’s your sis he was flirting with
his sister and i said that’s your sister that’s

4:46:19.520,4:46:25.460
wrong and i remember thinking i think the
audience laughed but henry was when they when

4:46:25.460,4:46:30.770
they sent the movie away to be uh classified
by the censorship board they got it got sent

4:46:30.770,4:46:35.650
back saying we can’t give this a rating and
normally they suggest what scenes need to

4:46:35.650,4:46:39.708
be changed so they said well what scenes can
we change they said nothing you would need

4:46:39.708,4:46:45.170
to change the entire film the entire film
has an objectionable moral content and to

4:46:45.170,4:46:51.280
me that’s what makes the film so great right
what film can you just if it comes on tv like

4:46:51.280,4:46:57.180
to me the godfather obviously you know i get
locked it is there a horror film that it’s

4:46:57.180,4:47:04.520
on the tv and you say okay i’ll just two minutes
and next thing you know you’re locked in um

4:47:04.520,4:47:09.250
the most recent one i would say that i really
wanted to take the opportunity to recommend

4:47:09.250,4:47:15.708
that just blew me away was a movie that came
out a couple of years ago called saint maude

4:47:15.708,4:47:20.620
don’t think it’s been seen by a lot of people
but it’s just an absolutely powerhouse film

4:47:20.620,4:47:27.200
kind of a slow burn psychological suspense
not much gore but once you’re locked into

4:47:27.200,4:47:33.480
that film you absolutely cannot look away
it’s a great great film well i’ll let professor

4:47:33.480,4:47:41.770
hussein wrap this up i just want to tell my
listeners to go to thegreatcourses.com and

4:47:41.770,4:47:48.710
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4:47:48.710,4:47:55.058
uh change the way you read and i hope you
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4:47:55.058,4:47:59.940
novel and uh i would love to do that david
so i really enjoy being on the show so thank

4:47:59.940,4:48:05.190
you so much thank you very much i’ll let professor
hussain well just just to say thanks so much

4:48:05.190,4:48:11.090
david how can people follow your work and
also before we do the defect the detective

4:48:11.090,4:48:17.020
i’ve been trying to get david to agree to
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4:48:17.020,4:48:22.860
uh oh yeah yeah well so we got we’ve got a
real agenda here but how can people follow

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your work um probably the easiest way to to
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4:48:29.350,4:48:34.600
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4:48:34.600,4:48:41.830
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as well who’s going to be mayor tomorrow night

4:48:41.830,4:48:45.990
who’s mayor of buffalo next tomorrow night
well hopefully hopefully we’ll have a new

4:48:45.990,4:48:51.138
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4:48:51.138,4:48:57.040
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4:48:57.040,4:49:02.230
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4:49:02.230,4:49:08.540
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schmidt we will be back i believe uh it’s
professor marianne cummings is next is that

4:52:31.128,4:52:39.650
correct professor marianne are you next yes
it is do you mind well let’s let’s just let’s

4:52:39.650,4:52:44.590
just go i was going to play a song but let’s
bring you in sorry sorry to keep you waiting

4:52:44.590,4:52:51.780
did i keep you waiting maybe i didn’t who
do i have to apologize you know i didn’t have

4:52:51.780,4:52:59.540
anywhere else to go neither did i so uh i
don’t know i was listening i could have i

4:52:59.540,4:53:07.048
could have listened to another hour of that
tell you the truth um i always feel i have

4:53:07.048,4:53:09.540
to apologize i have to apologize you have
to apologize to me so we can get this over

4:53:09.540,4:53:15.070
with um but i wanted to talk about the birds
i just saw the bird watch the birds with a

4:53:15.070,4:53:22.030
friend i saw the birds and vertigo i saw what
you tweeted it was very funny yeah and it’s

4:53:22.030,4:53:29.560
just but it dawned on me that the birds and
knight of the living dead have sort of the

4:53:29.560,4:53:37.290
same plot in that the evil the elements of
the evil like individual birds or even individual

4:53:37.290,4:53:42.308
dummy uh zombies they’re they’re not really
very dangerous you can just kind of whack

4:53:42.308,4:53:49.010
them with a baseball bat individually it’s
just the in it’s just the incessant kind of

4:53:49.010,4:53:53.230
the coming of these these things that keep
calming and coming that you know like the

4:53:53.230,4:54:01.500
hordes of them and and they’re all just like
you know no no particular uh one villain or

4:54:01.500,4:54:09.920
or brain behind it it’s just this force that
you can’t reason with that never lets up and

4:54:09.920,4:54:15.458
the real horror of course is the um it’s not
so much the the things that are out there

4:54:15.458,4:54:21.730
which are just forces of nature but it’s the
uh psychological breakdown of the group that’s

4:54:21.730,4:54:28.660
trapped by them so you know and that’s kind
of most of the story and a lot of horror is

4:54:28.660,4:54:35.280
kind of like in a certain sense alien or aliens
is kind of the same thing even though those

4:54:35.280,4:54:40.840
things individually are quite dangerous they’re
not um you know they they’re they’re certainly

4:54:40.840,4:54:46.951
killable it’s just that the whole group starts
having its own breakdowns and you know it

4:54:46.951,4:54:55.138
and psychosis and uh you know who survives
is is one of you know psychological resilience

4:54:55.138,4:55:01.940
more than anything else i don’t remember being
scared by the birds as you just said i saw

4:55:01.940,4:55:08.560
when i was a kid and i was now did you see
it when i saw it it was on nbc and it was

4:55:08.560,4:55:14.540
the most watched movie of the week for some
reason i remember my mother let me stay up

4:55:14.540,4:55:20.130
late and watch that movie i think she wanted
somebody to watch it with right and the i

4:55:20.130,4:55:25.320
think what makes it when you’re not trying
to overthink something what makes the birds

4:55:25.320,4:55:30.270
so compelling if you just let yourself get
sucked in is bernard herrmann’s soundtrack

4:55:30.270,4:55:36.120
there’s not a single song in the whole movie
except that scene where these school kids

4:55:36.120,4:55:44.100
are singing and the crows one by one are assembling
behind melanie griffith’s mom you know as

4:55:44.100,4:55:47.800
he’s saying they’re having a cigarette that
was just creepy that by the way that’s a proper

4:55:47.800,4:55:54.900
murder of crows oh that’s right it’s a murder
of quotes is a line of them and there were

4:55:54.900,4:56:03.980
one murder of crows after another assembling
a visual pun yeah so that was and in it it’s

4:56:03.980,4:56:09.200
kind of funny and in the usual thing like
if people behaved rationally you wouldn’t

4:56:09.200,4:56:13.808
have much of a plot but you could probably
say that about any great movie or novel like

4:56:13.808,4:56:19.450
if somebody just you know did something reasonable
you wouldn’t have you wouldn’t have the drama

4:56:19.450,4:56:26.708
well so what scares you i i’m not i am scared
by the unseen like the exorcist scares me

4:56:26.708,4:56:33.940
the unknowable uh a slasher movie that doesn’t
scare you well you know it’s funny you said

4:56:33.940,4:56:39.378
you’re i remember going to see the exorcist
and i think i saw it with uh saul and our

4:56:39.378,4:56:44.128
friend michael and there were only three of
us in the theater and then a bunch of kids

4:56:44.128,4:56:48.480
came in and a bunch of kids were kind of laughing
and joking and they thought it would be another

4:56:48.480,4:56:55.420
like you know halloween or you know friday
the 13th or whatever and they were like you

4:56:55.420,4:57:00.670
had described they were chattering and they
were having a good time and boy i mean i didn’t

4:57:00.670,4:57:04.760
i did not see that movie when it first came
out although i remember people talking about

4:57:04.760,4:57:12.860
it but that movie you had really no idea it
was a differently paced story than we had

4:57:12.860,4:57:18.442
been conditioned to up until the 90s the late
90s and it was like i think what was freaking

4:57:18.442,4:57:23.760
those kids out is they had no idea where this
was going they had no idea what the resolution

4:57:23.760,4:57:29.588
was going to be they had i mean it freaked
me out i mean it freaked me out when uh who

4:57:29.588,4:57:36.610
is the character linda blair yeah crab walking
downstairs i did not expect that reagan just

4:57:36.610,4:57:46.720
yeah they named her reagan on purpose yeah
that was a slam at reagan he how could that

4:57:46.720,4:57:52.100
be islam of reagan i mean that the exorcist
i think came in 74 he was governor of cal

4:57:52.100,4:57:58.760
he was governor of california okay that came
out as a book but when did it come out but

4:57:58.760,4:58:06.080
he was government much longer before i think
it was william b beatty beatty something baby

4:58:06.080,4:58:13.400
and i they purposely named the devil regan
reagan on purpose it was not uh and they were

4:58:13.400,4:58:21.171
right uh but um when i was a kid so the movies
that actually scared me like was and that

4:58:21.171,4:58:27.580
was kind of creepy jaws did not scare me jaws
is not scary oh no no but the movies that

4:58:27.580,4:58:33.280
scared me was carnival souls i watched one
afternoon it was sir gasly graves program

4:58:33.280,4:58:38.730
in the detroit area and it was like a rainy
saturday afternoon that was a genuinely terrifying

4:58:38.730,4:58:43.730
movie carnival souls and i think that’s a
bit of a cult classic then it was night of

4:58:43.730,4:58:49.590
the living dead i was staying up at age oh
i don’t know i was young but my parents were

4:58:49.590,4:58:53.628
just down the street playing pinnacles so
they just set me up with you know milk and

4:58:53.628,4:58:59.530
cookies and i was watching this night of the
living dead and they showed it without much

4:58:59.530,4:59:05.110
commercial interruption so it really did look
like it was a real you know they had chili

4:59:05.110,4:59:10.480
billy which told my friends told me was a
real newscaster in the philadelphia area who

4:59:10.480,4:59:16.391
was doing the uh broadcasting the little t
when they were watching the tv in the movie

4:59:16.391,4:59:23.420
and it was the you know grainy sort of video
film that news films were shut i mean i was

4:59:23.420,4:59:29.180
and the next the next monday because apparently
that night there were like dozens of dozens

4:59:29.180,4:59:36.808
of calls into it was a wjr tv station because
people thought this was real and then my teacher

4:59:36.808,4:59:44.530
got to teach us about you know uh orson welles
and the you know more of the world war of

4:59:44.530,4:59:48.760
the worlds yeah that’s how i learned about
ocean wells we talked about nylon and i told

4:59:48.760,4:59:53.628
him i saw the whole movie and these the teachers
looking at me aren’t you a little young my

4:59:53.628,4:59:58.260
parents were next door playing pinnacle i
got to stay up now that’s a myth about war

4:59:58.260,5:00:06.150
of the worlds yeah that americans didn’t fall
for it that was part of the marketing but

5:00:06.150,5:00:12.378
behind they’ve done a whole pbs documentary
about war of the worlds and how americans

5:00:12.378,5:00:17.968
believed that we were under attack by aliens
and now it turns out all that was mostly hype

5:00:17.968,5:00:23.628
but okay how would i know i wasn’t alive at
the time why was that that’s the first time

5:00:23.628,5:00:29.860
i ever heard about it right i think the but
uh that was kind of creepy i saw alien the

5:00:29.860,5:00:35.628
first alien movie uh after it was released
but i saw it like in ann arbor at a late night

5:00:35.628,5:00:39.920
show that was genuinely terrifying the first
one because you again you didn’t know how

5:00:39.920,5:00:46.540
that was going to end up jacob’s ladder is
the one has i don’t know if you’ve seen that

5:00:46.540,5:00:52.610
and i think what creeps me out about that
again i had no idea what was going on and

5:00:52.610,5:00:59.480
at the end it sort of is explained what might
be happening and i kind of believe that hey

5:00:59.480,5:01:06.458
maybe that’s actually what might what you
might go through if you haven’t resolved crap

5:01:06.458,5:01:13.308
and on your way out of this life i mean that
was that’s what creeped me out but um you

5:01:13.308,5:01:25.110
know uh a lot of the the horror um the horror
genres i’m i’m i’m kind of like i i’ve kind

5:01:25.110,5:01:32.480
of taken by the fact that horror and comedy
are very very close in my mind it’s like something

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that can be hilarious could have end up horrifying
and possibly because it could have been horrifying

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it ends up being hilarious when the worst
did not happen and you know that’s that’s

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with comedy though comedy is considered more
benign so you have to pull your punches horror

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you don’t yeah um that that’s true um i think
that some of the funniest lions shakespeare

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ever wrote was in his tragedies i mean and
for the same reason that uh saul goodman in

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breaking bad was like the most popular of
the minor characters because he kind of provided

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it’s a very dark as the whole story starts
you know just spiraling downward into darkness

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there’s the lawyer there’s a sleazy lawyer
who is like a beacon of sanity and humanity

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and all this you know so that’s why yeah speaking
of horror shows are we going to talk about

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democrats collapsing um what are we looking
at here what are we looking at this is i’m

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you you know you’re right and and i remember
saying to you when you said you weren’t going

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to vote for biden you’re right but i’m voting
for biden and looking back i still would have

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voted for biden i wanted bernie but you’re
right the well the problem is we only have

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four years left before the planet is irredeemable
right and the left is asleep good chunk of

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the quote left really isn’t the left i mean
mariki is going to be lecturing me now from

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here until next tuesday um you know my use
my my easy were use of the word left but you

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know the people who would consider themselves
leftish are largely asleep they think that

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it’s just going to be handled because democrats
are in charge and after all they’re not the

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like the evil republicans they won’t let the
world collapse and they’re letting the world

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collapse and it’s uh it’s one of these four
horror movie things where you don’t know there’s

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no like central brain anymore there’s no central
evil there’s just a bunch of you know like

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creepy zombies that don’t even know what they’re
doing that’ll suck your brains out if you’re

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not careful and it’s and i don’t know and
they keep coming right i don’t know what the

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answer is except that it’s probably not going
to be in electoral politics at least short

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term i think the the biggest i i mean the
biggest hope for anything changing is the

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direct action in in the strikes yes and i
mean because there is something look these

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guys who think they run the world you know
the obamas and the clintons i mean people

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who might have gotten through graduate school
or law school that couldn’t make breakfast

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to save their lives you know it’s like these
are the guys that get rewarded and these are

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the guys that really don’t have they think
they have technical though they have no technical

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ability and they you know if you were if you
were in the hunger games these guys would

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be the first to die you know at least in living
in my neighborhood people still know how to

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do things so the people that know how to do
things and it’s all labor i mean money doesn’t

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create all this wealth and innovation it’s
labor it’s a it’s a person or people cooperating

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uh you know when the project is big so uh
that’s what i think is going to happen but

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i did read something that was very interesting
to me i read cnbc just you know good it’s

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a good website it’s it’s they kind of cover
they well they had a great article brian schwartz

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today frustrated democratic donors threatened
to hold back midterm donations over infighting

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in congress and the tight virginia race and
i’m going whoa you mean if terry mcauliffe

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loses you’re going to take your money elsewhere
next november that’s fantastic or at least

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next next spring when there are several uh
genuinely progressive uh challengers to uh

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conservative democrats they won’t have their
money to spend so maybe i should be hoping

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that mcauliffe loses what is that if the democrats
keep the house of delegates how bad is it

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if they and there’s then there’s then there’s
gridlock which is probably better than whatever

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you know like whatever democrats like terry
mcauliffe would think of his progress you

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know and uh speaking of which i i think that
um i was listening talk about horror films

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i was listening to

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talk about the leap of faith they’re all going
to take and i’m like leap of faith this sounds

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like hey you go up to the attic and i’ll go
down check the cellar out in a horror movie

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what are they talking about leap of faith
they are going to vote anyway they are going

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to vote for both bills you’re saying they’re
going to vote for the infrastructure bill

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with the assurance that the reconciliation
bill will be brought up and i’m like going

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don’t are you effing with us i mean seriously
are you really are you serious you’ve got

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to be joking you know it’s um but anyway um
this is uh the the rest of the article uh

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describes how not only are they frustrated
they don’t they didn’t think that terry they

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thought that mcauliffe would be a much stronger
the performer than he is and they’re also

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frustrated that the democrats haven’t voted
you know haven’t gotten the bills together

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yet in other words voting for the massive
subsidies that corporations are going to get

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if you know the votes go the way they want
if you’ve got a completely gutted uh reconciliation

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bill and the infrastructure bill i mean what’s
left of the reconciliation bill a lot of it

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i mean if we are to believe what we hear i
don’t know i mean there is some word that

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uh that um that bernie is going to insist
that they vote the 3.5 trillion or he’s walking

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right and i think at this point they should
they should call they should they should call

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mansion and cinemas bluff because mansion
and cinemas donors want that uh infrastructure

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bill they want something so you have power
so you say okay you want that then we get

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this well how badly do you want it if you
if we don’t get 3.5 trillion you don’t get

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that i mean that’s how politics works and
if you’re the one that is always blinking

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if you’re the one that’s always caving you’re
not going to get anything i i mean i don’t

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understand what they think to get and they’re
trying to be nice to biden i mean some people

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were showing biden today just kind of sleeping
during the big uh uh plenary talk at was it

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cop 26 in glasgow this morning and i’m going
okay you know that’s that’s you know more

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you know more about this than i do earlier
i was saying what is he doing in glasgow he’s

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got the green new deal on his desk get it
passed there’s nothing that’s absolutely right

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there’s nothing in glasgow that he needs to
be told we know what to do pass the green

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new commission of any world leader he doesn’t
need to play nice with china if the us is

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still a major force in the world even economically
if the u.s took the lead if they showed any

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leadership at all there would have no problem
with the other countries getting in line i

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mean but there are no there’s no leadership
and that’s what you get we have a regency

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government going on i don’t know who’s making
decisions in the buying administration now

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it isn’t biden i i mean um you know i i i
was listening earlier to your conversations

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about um i know um who is it um right she
should talk i mean she should she should talk