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Episode 1008 Transcript

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you're listening to the david feldman

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radio program you said pathetic humph

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joining us is the author of

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pound-foolish

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and the co-author of the index card she

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writes for The Washington Post

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Helaine olen welcome back oh thank you

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for having me on again oh god you know

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the stuff you wrote in the past two

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weeks has been phenomenal and I want to

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talk about John Bogle who passed away

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last week he i'ma Bogle head Bogle had

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he invented the Vanguard index fund

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which simplified investing for the the

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common man and exposed as you wrote that

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financial planners are really just

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glorified stockbrokers and you have a

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great piece about Davos or Davos and how

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they're talking about Alexandria Ocasio

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Cortez but first you wrote about the

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teachers strike in LA and I want to read

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something you wrote and this just sums

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up everything I believe are you really a

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progressive right Salette no and if you

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vote for Democratic candidates but don't

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effectively address the United States

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growing economic divides and how they

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impact children god that makes my head

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explode I'm not saying that LGBTQ issues

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and abortion and black lives matter all

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that stuff is important but if you don't

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talk about the growing economic divides

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and have a impact children get the F out

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of the Democratic Party I come to feel

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that it's not an either/or both are very

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important you know there's no eat it for

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a woman there's no economic freedom for

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instance without you know the right to

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control your own body right this kind of

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basic you know if you're

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african-american if you know you're

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risking death by walking in a white

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neighborhood yeah you know this is going

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to interfere with your ability to make a

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living and it's also just sort of

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heinous and we can go on and talk about

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that right but at the same time we have

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to admit that we have extraordinary

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economic divides in this country our

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wealth and income inequality is it

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record-breaking levels

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it's almost certainly exceeded 1929 it's

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not going to end well for anybody

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I think the trends continue and it's not

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enough to be a progressive and say well

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I believe in a woman's right to choose

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but I'm also kind of economically

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conservative that doesn't that just

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doesn't hold water anymore maybe it

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never held water but it certainly

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doesn't hold water now now you just sort

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of come off as kind of a well-meaning

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hypocrite frankly and I think this was -

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the thing that the Los Angeles teachers

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strike really highlighted and I think it

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really highlighted it for a couple of

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different reasons but the first maybe

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most important is that last year as we

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know there were several wildcat teacher

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strikes and they were in red state

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territory for the most part in places

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like West Virginia and the teachers are

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being horrendously underpaid and in

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Oklahoma where you know the schools have

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been so shortchanged that there are

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districts that are at four days a week

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of classes and everybody of course was

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rah-rah the teachers right and and

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indeed they managed to get you know

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depending on what state it was they got

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raises they got some better working

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conditions and so on down the line but

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in fact these things are also going on

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in a lot of blue states they go on in

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New York and they go on in Chicago and

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they go on in Los Angeles where teachers

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were reporting forty-nine students in a

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classroom and Los Angeles as we know is

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you know a city with severe income

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divides a lot of the wealthiest people

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are not using the public schools you

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know this was becoming you know it was

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kind of calling people out on it and say

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you know what side are you on and to the

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credit of Los Angelenos most of them

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were on the side of the teachers and

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this strike really you know held in part

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because there was one such strong

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support for the fact of everybody saying

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yeah wait a minute this isn't right this

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isn't a good situation it's not right

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that teachers you know are being forced

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to work under these conditions and it's

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not right the children are being forced

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to learn in these conditions of you know

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of these large class sizes of schools

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without nurses without social workers

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Los Angeles school children the vast

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majority are you know under art the

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poverty live at the poverty line or

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under and are eligible for free lunches

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you wrote in The Washington Post 80% of

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all students attending public schools in

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Los Angeles qualify for free lunch

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yeah that's extraordinary I mean that's

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an extraordinarily high number and again

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some of it is driven by the fact that

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wealthier Los Angelenos generally don't

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use the public schools but what are the

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reasons they don't use public schools

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it's because you're dealing with

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situations like forty plus children at a

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class it's hard to blame a parent who

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could afford to get out of that

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something

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that's not for my kid and leaving well

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we're also dealing with Holly with

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liberals who are you know cool on the

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social issues but fiscally conservative

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well people want to keep their buddy

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right I want to pay their taxes prop 13

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prop 13 you know a lot of said

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California is the home of the original

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tax revolt one of the things that's

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probably going to happen as I'm sure I

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don't need to tell you or any listener

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is that part of prop 13 it's probably

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coming up on the 2020 ballot for at

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least the commercial part of your mind

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our listeners who have was it Howard

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Jarvis and web prophecy jarvez 1978

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California's or you know freezes the tax

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tax property tax rate - I think I'm

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income speaking from New York so it's a

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1% or two it's a 1% raise a year right

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and of course over time advantages

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people who've been in their residences

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for a long time

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there's no reassessments and wealthier

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people are frequently making out I mean

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last year I mean there was a story in

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the LA Times and hopefully I'm going to

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remember this right various Hollywood

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actors who had inherited family homes in

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Malibu who were basically paying their

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taxes with a couple of days renting the

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homes out on Airbnb that's the other

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thing about prop 13 for the non

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California listeners of the show you can

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inherit it it's really extraordinary and

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over time so what prop 13

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houses in 78 California is one of the

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top states of the country for spending

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on education now it's in the bottom tier

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the bottom had bottom 10% of states at

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one point it was so bad it was like in

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the bottom five but that's actually

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they've moved up a bit in the rankings

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since that and I mean this is you know

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the politics of inequality we're at

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large and it's the politics frankly to

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some extent of racism

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I mean people realize that a lot of the

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children in the public schools are not

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white and a certain percentage of people

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don't want to pay for that yeah and

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that's kind of a horrible thing to admit

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it's well known about anybody who

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studies prop 13 the prop 13 passed

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within a year of the big busing battles

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in Los Angeles and that it right well

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not have passed if it wasn't for those

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battles and that's you know what are the

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huge parts of prop 13 so I guess a is

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there any defense of Howard Jarvis in

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prop 13 because in 1978 weren't interest

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rates kind of high and senior citizens

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were complaining about inflation and

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then they were being killed by the

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property taxes or is that just a mess

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you know it's not totally a mess one of

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the issues was was that you know real

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estate prices were climbing rapidly and

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people were you know suddenly being

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claiming they were being forced out

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right so and this is the problem in a

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lot of parts of the country right I live

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in New York where there was finally a

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property tax cap put on after property

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taxes and a lot of the suburbs basically

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doubled in a ten to fifteen year period

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and but there are other ways you could

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address this you don't have to simply

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address it by simply tapping property

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taxes which ultimately just rewards

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people who bought who tend to be you

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know older whiter wealthier and so on

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there are ways you can get them you know

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you could give people a break and get

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them we get the money when you sell the

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house you can give them a break by

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getting the money from their estate when

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they you know when they pass on you can

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do income adjustments you know would

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basically say hey you know if you have

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under X amount of income we're going to

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accept

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to from this property tax raise there's

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actually all sorts of stuff you can do

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besides simply freezing property taxes I

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see well you brought up the wildcat

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strikes that preceded the teachers

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strike in Los Angeles two quick

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questions in them we'll move on what is

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a wildcat strike by definition what is

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wildcat strike mean and the LA teachers

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have a tentative agreement yes see what

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happens when you stick together wildcat

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strike means done without the approval

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of the union and the reason many of

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these were wildcat strikes was because

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these were in states where union

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teachers were basically banned from

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striking and that the unions could have

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been fined had they encourage their

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members to go on strike so and that's

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not the case in California so teachers

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could go on strike legally and they

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could do it at the back and get their

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union and in these other places that was

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a much harder lift wildcat strikes also

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sometimes happened for the record

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because I know about 20 listeners are

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probably jumping down my throat right

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now you know people sometimes disagree

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with their unions to go out on strike as

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well so it can happen in states you know

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it could happen other where there is no

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balance and how good the good a deal did

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the teachers get in Los Angeles salary

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wise they got the 6% raise that was on

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the table from the get-go even before

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the strike but the deal they got really

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was for the students and for working

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conditions and there will be Univ nurses

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now at every school there is a guarantee

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at least for some period of time of

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smaller class sizes it's not ideal

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because it's not a perm that's not

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permanent and I think I've got this

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right but it's certainly a start and you

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know it's certainly better than what was

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on offer you know the the still

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lingering concern is the charter school

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issue which I don't which is you know

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with another sort of sub tier part of

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this that is going to obviously be an

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ongoing issue well you write about Davos

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what is Davos from what I've read of

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your piece it's self-serving incestuous

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move

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and oligarchs from all around the world

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gathering to protect their money

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what is Davos and their obsessing with

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Alexandria Ocasio car Tessa's call to

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tax the rich at seventy percent after

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ten million dollars and one of the

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things you wrote over the Washington

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Post is those guys that Davos are so

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busy congratulating themselves but

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they're not really that bright we you

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know we'd like to think they're bright

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because they're wealthy and they like to

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think they're bright but you know as

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Wilbur Ross has proven they're really

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idiots aren't they oh my god well come

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back to / awesome yeah okay this annual

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gathering of you know of what used to be

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called but first seriously and then

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sarcastically the best and the brightest

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you know are wealthy overlords basically

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the cost of admission is basically tens

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of thousands of dollars that's what they

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charge corporations for coming or

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members of their organization who you

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know are allowed to come and it's a GAD

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and of course Davos itself is you know

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this very wealthy you know ski resort

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town right sort of an equivalent of

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Aspen or some sort and so they all

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gather every January in this wonderful

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ski town living it's wonderful I've

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never been there looks wonderful

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Switzerland where yes what's your letter

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I should say where you know the

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hamburgers are fifty six dollars and the

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hot dogs are forty dollars this is all

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true and they do panels on serious

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things like where is the economic onna

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me going in the next year and how did we

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get Donald Trump and you know what kind

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of business could we do with unit with

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the populist head of Brazil and you know

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and so on down the line right and this

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is supposed to be you know these are

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supposed to be our sort of Masters of

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the Universe

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telling us what to do and it sort of

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steak pizza to this hole in their minds

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anyway it fits into this whole kind of

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idea that you know that's been so

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prevalent in our culture for the past

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forty plus years that people who have

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money have it for a reason and they're

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somehow worthier and smarter and

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just get things better than you and me

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ring and and the said word comes down on

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high and in fact of course you know as

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we all know these people who have been

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sitting there ruminating in Davos you

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know somehow missed the rise of Donald

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Trump they somehow missed breaks it they

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somehow missed you know the fact that

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when you you know allow income and

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wealth inequality to go to the levels

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were at now people tend to get really

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angry and often because most people

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aren't totally steeped in this don't

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even know what the heck they're angry

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about they just see them lives kind of

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deteriorating right and the people at

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Davos or if the sort who say things like

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well but how could they be complaining

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everybody has a television set now at

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air conditioning right this is so much

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better to be poor now I mean a poor

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person is like a rich person 100 years

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ago yeah what could be the problem and

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so they do this every year and so what

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happened this year this is they're all

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up there they're still up there and

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they're very worried about you know

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possibility of a recession in the United

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States and they're worried about what's

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going on with us in China and they're

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kind of worried about the federal

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government shutdown because you know

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that's Trump hasn't shown up Theresa May

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hasn't shown up macron from France is

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not showing up because of the

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yellowjacket thing but at the same time

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you know somehow when they start talking

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about how to solve this it's not about

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Sam so what are the topic of

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conversation that came up is the

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increase in calls in the United States

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to raise income taxes on the wealthiest

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of Americans right and for the most part

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this has been Alexandria Ocasio

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courthouses announcement that she would

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like to you know raise the tax rate on

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people earning more than 10 million

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dollars to annually to 70 percent and

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although I think probably now there's

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also probably talk of Elizabeth Warren's

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wealth tax a wealth proposal taxing

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proposal as well and so anyway you know

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they you know it's been brought up there

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they roared with laughter what it's been

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brought up they've declared it an odd

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starter one guy I think at Guggenheim

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Partners which is an investment advisory

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firm actually said oh my god this is

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going to force people out of the work

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force because you can't

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a two-income family when they're paying

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taxes at 70% and when they earn over ten

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million dollars explain how stupid that

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is

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Alexandra Castillo Cortez is calling for

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seventy percent tax on income over ten

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million dollars right extraordinary

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lengths that you know people will take

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to protect their privilege which is what

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Davos really is about in the end it's

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protecting your privilege

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and in this case protecting your

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privilege means you don't have to admit

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that you're part of the problem and that

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you know in the words of the 1960s

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you're not going to be part of the

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solution right you are the solution a

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lot of people say taxing the wealthiest

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1% is not going to pay for Medicare for

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all it's not going to pay for anything

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but the argument that I've read is that

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that doesn't matter what we want to do

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is tax the wealthiest 1% because they

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have too much money it's not a healthy

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start with the micro-level

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it's going to pay for something right

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can it pay for everything of course not

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but it's going to pay for something so

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let's just put that out there right so

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this is kind of a bogus argument like no

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you know of course I can't pay for all

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of Acts or all of why but it certainly

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could make a dent in it second it's a

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bigger argument one of the reasons that

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we are at this pass is because so many

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so few people have so much and so many

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people have so little and that when you

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tax it you start bringing people back

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towards the mean and that in turn will

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presumably

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bring more money into the system over

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time because one of the issues were

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actually having is for all of our age of

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great wealth right and all these people

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you know at the top making these untold

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riches we in fact have less

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entrepreneurial efforts than we did 30

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years ago business is much more

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consolidated people in generals have

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seen their incomes stagnate and this

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means there's just simply less they are

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living on less and less while a few

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people are just supporting all the money

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at the top and when you have that much

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money at the top you get political power

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that's why this money has to be taken

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away from them because it's not really

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their money so they're great elizabeth

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warren comment if years ago right which

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is like well you know you made this

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money at this factory did you build the

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road that got you there and then of

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course not and it becomes you know this

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just kind of you know blight over

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Society for lack of a better word it

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really sort of destroyed slowly

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destroyed you know the both the quality

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of life and the society itself because

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people you know most people simply

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aren't working it you know don't they

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let me say that again most people you

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know don't have that money they can't

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keep up with the pressures and they just

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find themselves falling further and

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further behind while a very small cohort

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is just sort of hoarding the vast

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majority of gains how frightened are

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they of congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio

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Cortez who's 28 years old

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I think she's she's 29 29 clearly very

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frightened and when you think about that

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that's actually kind of extraordinary

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right she's you know one congresswoman

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from the Bronx and queens and she's to

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the left of her own party but I think

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what scares people is that she's clearly

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touched a nerve

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in fact polls show most people do want

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to see taxes raised on the top 1% of

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earners and polls show most people's

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support you know Medicare for all yeah

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the Kaiser Foundation just had this new

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study

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but it's how its framed right but no

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even when you frame it in the most

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conservative interpretation you come up

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with the fact that you know majorities

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of people would like to see either a

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public option or medicare at least

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expanded to cover people 50 and up I

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mean so you know a you the other side

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likes to make this contention of oh you

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know it's you know or that people want

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to be able to buy in if they can you

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know if there's nothing else when the

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other side says oh well it's how its

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framed yes it's how its framed but

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there's really no way that it's framed

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where people go oh no we want the system

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we have now do they know they're

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ignorant when they say if you tax people

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seventy percent after their first ten

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million how're they gonna I don't think

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kind of survive is that willful

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ignorance they know they're that stupid

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what did Wilbur Ross say he's the

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Commerce Secretary and is he stupid or

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is he just pretending to be this is the

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thing about being rich it isolates

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people and you start thinking everybody

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is like who you're hanging around with

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and that's human nature right you know

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people who you know or middle class

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often have a very hard time really

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imagining the lives of the wealthy and

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but there's bigger consequences for this

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but it's the wealthy trying to imagine

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how people the middle class get by so

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what happened this week was Wilbur Ross

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who's the sort of guy by the way to like

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convince the Forbes list he was a

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billionaire when it's actually was only

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worth seven hundred million dollars

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because that kind of wasn't enough for

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him and you know has also been accused

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by various people of ripping off his

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business associates I mean really like

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stellar citizens and falling asleep

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during Trump meetings yeah I mean you

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know I remember I know he's quite

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elderly any we're not saying all the

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elderly do that but clearly you know

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peace quite elderly and anyway so he

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spoke up this morning he's on CNBC and

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he's getting interviewed by a bunch of

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CNBC people in Davos and we all know

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CNBC right like this is where like if

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you're wealthy you want to feel good

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about your life you go give an interview

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to CNBC I mean this is not like node for

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its hard-hitting you progressive Journal

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okay this is a sort of place where Alex

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algeri Ocasio Cortez his numbers get

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raked over the coals normally anyway so

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he manages us to stun the CNBC anchors

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who again are in Davos okay you know by

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saying that he doesn't understand why

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the federal workers who haven't been

545
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paid in over a month now you know having

546
00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:00,570
such a hard time and are going to food

547
00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:02,639
pantries and homeless shelters to look

548
00:23:00,570 --> 00:23:05,220
for food because of course anybody could

549
00:23:02,639 --> 00:23:08,190
just get alone right believe it it's

550
00:23:05,220 --> 00:23:09,899
just a little bit of interest and like

551
00:23:08,190 --> 00:23:11,429
people's heads were spending their

552
00:23:09,899 --> 00:23:12,960
reports that there are some federal

553
00:23:11,429 --> 00:23:15,899
workers who are going to homeless

554
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,389
shelters to get food well I know they

555
00:23:15,899 --> 00:23:21,990
are and I don't really quite understand

556
00:23:18,389 --> 00:23:24,299
why because they the obligations that

557
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:27,090
they would undertake say a borrowing

558
00:23:24,299 --> 00:23:30,960
from the bank or a credit union are in

559
00:23:27,090 --> 00:23:33,480
effect federally guaranteed so the 30

560
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,299
days of pay that some people will be out

561
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:39,360
there's no real reason why they

562
00:23:36,299 --> 00:23:41,519
shouldn't be able to get a loan against

563
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:43,919
it of course this is utterly ridiculous

564
00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:46,110
right I mean first off to be if the

565
00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:48,360
technical answer no not everybody can

566
00:23:46,110 --> 00:23:50,399
get a loan not everybody can get a zero

567
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:52,830
percent loan a lot of people are being

568
00:23:50,399 --> 00:23:54,750
forced into like pawning their goods and

569
00:23:52,830 --> 00:23:56,460
working as uber drivers and by the way

570
00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:58,259
they're only making a couple of bucks I

571
00:23:56,460 --> 00:24:02,399
mean because the world is not dying for

572
00:23:58,259 --> 00:24:03,899
more ebert drivers and so anyway you

573
00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:06,840
know so this is first of all just beyond

574
00:24:03,899 --> 00:24:08,850
clueless but second it's like who on

575
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,700
earth says these things

576
00:24:08,850 --> 00:24:14,220
great like how could you even think this

577
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:16,019
is okay he's sitting there collecting a

578
00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:17,190
paycheck because the administration by

579
00:24:16,019 --> 00:24:19,470
the way is getting their paycheck this

580
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:21,509
is one of the many delights thank God

581
00:24:19,470 --> 00:24:25,679
right right they're getting a paycheck

582
00:24:21,509 --> 00:24:27,210
but the workers aren't and people and it

583
00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:30,179
just revealed this astonishing

584
00:24:27,210 --> 00:24:31,590
cluelessness and then just to compound

585
00:24:30,179 --> 00:24:35,340
it and I think people were just in shock

586
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:36,750
by the end of this is somebody a few

587
00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:39,149
hours later tracks down whether the

588
00:24:36,750 --> 00:24:41,490
chief economic advisors Larry Kudlow and

589
00:24:39,149 --> 00:24:43,169
says what do you think of this right and

590
00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:45,750
he's like well I don't want to comment

591
00:24:43,169 --> 00:24:47,070
but you know these people are volunteers

592
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:48,570
and they're doing this from the goodness

593
00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:50,580
of their hearts

594
00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:52,920
and you're like what on earth you know

595
00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:56,730
federal workers could be fined and fired

596
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:58,140
if they strike right and that they're

597
00:24:56,730 --> 00:24:59,400
not they're out of the goodness of their

598
00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:01,460
hearts they're there because they're

599
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,660
petrified they're gonna lose their jobs

600
00:25:01,460 --> 00:25:05,820
if they don't turn up and work without

601
00:25:03,660 --> 00:25:07,770
getting paid and it was just an

602
00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:09,840
extraordinary performance across the

603
00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:12,690
board and of course this is all over by

604
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:16,260
the way a mythical wall designed itself

605
00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:17,580
a mythical problem I mean I mean it's

606
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:19,560
just the whole thing's kind of crazy

607
00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:21,690
Donald Trump is like having a you know I

608
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,740
mean it if you labor support it's

609
00:25:21,690 --> 00:25:25,170
offensive

610
00:25:22,740 --> 00:25:27,540
I mean it Donald Trump's negotiating

611
00:25:25,170 --> 00:25:30,960
strategy is roughly on par with the

612
00:25:27,540 --> 00:25:33,690
two-year-olds he you know he basically

613
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,250
just insists on something and basically

614
00:25:33,690 --> 00:25:37,830
is like rolling around on the carpet

615
00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:40,080
kicking things and throwing toys hoping

616
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:43,590
he'll get his way you can tell I've

617
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,740
dealt with this in the past I find you

618
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:49,260
know the whole thing is ridiculous and

619
00:25:45,740 --> 00:25:51,480
you know he's business popularity is

620
00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:53,880
falling by the day it's now in the low

621
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,220
30s because everybody realizes that this

622
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,780
is not a way you govern a country and

623
00:25:56,220 --> 00:26:00,810
this is not a way you conduct yourself

624
00:25:57,780 --> 00:26:04,860
as president of the United States do you

625
00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:08,990
think this shutdown is gonna go for a

626
00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:13,350
year I do because I think Trump is doing

627
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:15,800
what the people at the top who put him

628
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:18,660
in office wanted him to do which is

629
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:21,600
deconstruct the administrative state and

630
00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:24,990
get us back to pre New Deal when they

631
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:29,160
see 800,000 federal workers with no

632
00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:30,750
salary that's what they want I'm

633
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,430
beginning to think you're right I mean I

634
00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:33,690
don't think it'll go a year I don't

635
00:26:32,430 --> 00:26:36,690
think the American people will tolerate

636
00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:39,900
it I also think at a certain point you

637
00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:42,210
know our systems will start phasing so I

638
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:44,670
mean how many how much longer can the

639
00:26:42,210 --> 00:26:45,900
TSA workers work without pay check how

640
00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:48,060
much longer can be your traffic

641
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,770
controllers work without a paycheck how

642
00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:52,290
much longer before the airline pilots

643
00:26:49,770 --> 00:26:54,360
who have our on record as saying this is

644
00:26:52,290 --> 00:26:56,820
dangerous flying conditions somebody

645
00:26:54,360 --> 00:27:00,720
just doesn't say I can't fly right like

646
00:26:56,820 --> 00:27:02,510
I won't do this anymore so I tend to

647
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,750
think it won't go for year but I do say

648
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:07,160
you're right and that this shows a

649
00:27:04,750 --> 00:27:10,010
devastating contempt for government it

650
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,350
is an attempt to unwind government yeah

651
00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:14,120
um you know I wrote a few weeks ago that

652
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:15,620
I felt Trump was just an and the

653
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:18,500
Republicans supporting him are basically

654
00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:20,840
a pile of nihilist you know this is kind

655
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:23,450
of the philosophy of nothingness right

656
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:27,799
that they want you know it's just this

657
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:30,559
kind of destructive force and they don't

658
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:34,040
really care I mean if you interviewed

659
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,520
Grover Norquist hint intent maybe you'll

660
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,950
do it

661
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,169
Grover Norquist says you know we got to

662
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:42,559
make government so small we can drown in

663
00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:46,840
the bathtub don't you think the shutdown

664
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:49,669
is exactly exactly what he wants I do

665
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,740
it's like the American people many of

666
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:53,720
whom say they support stuff like this

667
00:27:51,740 --> 00:27:56,690
are beginning to realize it's not what

668
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,280
they want at all right because the

669
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:59,540
longer it goes on the more people are

670
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,000
going to realize that actually the

671
00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:05,330
government does a lot I mean one of the

672
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:07,160
things that has always been very clear

673
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:08,540
to me and very much came across by the

674
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,280
way in Michael Lewis's great book that

675
00:28:08,540 --> 00:28:12,049
was published last year the fifth risk

676
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,110
is that a lot of people actually don't

677
00:28:12,049 --> 00:28:17,150
realize what government does I mean it

678
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:20,450
seems kind of absurd that like you don't

679
00:28:17,150 --> 00:28:22,130
think the government does things but you

680
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:23,450
know when they do these surveys and they

681
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:26,299
ask people have you ever taken a

682
00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:28,490
government handout you know huge numbers

683
00:28:26,299 --> 00:28:29,780
say no and then you say well you know

684
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:31,340
have you ever received an unemployment

685
00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:32,780
check and they say yes so they're like

686
00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:34,130
well you just took a handout from the

687
00:28:32,780 --> 00:28:36,350
government and they're like no I didn't

688
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:38,299
you know it's the same philosophy as you

689
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:39,559
know those cheap famous Tea Party signs

690
00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:42,080
get the government's hands off my

691
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:43,940
Medicare I mean people literally don't

692
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:47,330
realize what the government federal

693
00:28:43,940 --> 00:28:49,220
government does well and and so I think

694
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:51,200
the longer this goes on and the more

695
00:28:49,220 --> 00:28:53,120
things slowly fall apart because the

696
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,820
federal government is not functioning

697
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,830
the more people will realize you know so

698
00:28:55,820 --> 00:29:00,500
the government does do stuff and it is a

699
00:28:57,830 --> 00:29:02,540
valuable service to us the downside of

700
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:05,140
this is something could go dreadfully

701
00:29:02,540 --> 00:29:07,250
wrong while this is all getting solved

702
00:29:05,140 --> 00:29:08,480
you know I don't know about you but I

703
00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:11,090
would not be dying to get on an airplane

704
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,190
in these conditions at this point yeah I

705
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:14,510
think there's a real issue with that the

706
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:16,730
creeping it

707
00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:18,830
and not just from the TSA agents but

708
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:20,809
you've got the air traffic controllers

709
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:23,419
or you know potentially working two jobs

710
00:29:20,809 --> 00:29:26,059
right here at air traffic controller and

711
00:29:23,419 --> 00:29:27,410
you're working two jobs something's

712
00:29:26,059 --> 00:29:29,150
gonna give at some point that's no

713
00:29:27,410 --> 00:29:31,340
insult to the air traffic controllers to

714
00:29:29,150 --> 00:29:34,400
say that the pilots union is saying that

715
00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:36,679
I mean well before we get to John Bogle

716
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:40,160
it seems to me that the Republican Party

717
00:29:36,679 --> 00:29:43,820
is a coalition of two types of Americans

718
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:46,220
ninety nine percent are broke within the

719
00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:49,190
Republican Party but they follow some

720
00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:53,600
kind of ideological spite it just comes

721
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:56,510
from hatred for others and then at the

722
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:59,540
tip of the spear the one percent are the

723
00:29:56,510 --> 00:30:02,840
people like Wilbur Ross and Larry Kudlow

724
00:29:59,540 --> 00:30:04,840
who want to take an etch-a-sketch to the

725
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,690
federal government and just shake it and

726
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:10,970
no destroying the entire administrative

727
00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:13,520
state and rebuilding it kind of like

728
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:22,610
what they would do with the company that

729
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:24,799
they bought the gig is going to be art

730
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:27,110
because this is not what the American

731
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:28,610
people want that frees people who

732
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:31,010
identify themselves as fairly

733
00:30:28,610 --> 00:30:34,910
conservative that presupposes it matters

734
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:37,250
what we want what a certain point it has

735
00:30:34,910 --> 00:30:40,450
to matter what we want right I mean

736
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:44,900
there are elections presumably

737
00:30:40,450 --> 00:30:47,000
presumably they there were elections

738
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:49,309
last November the Republicans suffered a

739
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,679
fairly staggering defeat in the House of

740
00:30:49,309 --> 00:30:53,450
Representatives yeah at a certain point

741
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:55,070
you would have suspected survival

742
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:57,559
instincts would start to kick in here

743
00:30:55,070 --> 00:31:00,980
yeah well I want to talk about a great

744
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:03,169
American John Bogle who was John Bogle

745
00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:05,600
and what did he create for the common

746
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:08,080
man you wrote a great piece you wrote a

747
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:11,990
great piece in the worst host him oh

748
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:14,419
thank you John Bogle was the founder of

749
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:17,900
Vanguard the great index mutual fund

750
00:31:14,419 --> 00:31:21,530
company and basically what he did was he

751
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:23,840
popularized the idea of index funds

752
00:31:21,530 --> 00:31:25,700
which are of course funds that are you

753
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,980
know basically a broad-based you know

754
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:30,289
our broad-based

755
00:31:27,980 --> 00:31:33,889
market funds right like a mutual fund

756
00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:35,659
that will replicate the S&P 500 for you

757
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:39,649
know regular investors prior to John

758
00:31:35,659 --> 00:31:41,840
Bogle they existed but they didn't they

759
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:44,269
weren't offered to the public they John

760
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,429
Bogle is the first to offer the use to

761
00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:51,019
the public and to make the public aware

762
00:31:46,429 --> 00:31:53,720
of the fact that over time they

763
00:31:51,019 --> 00:31:54,289
generally do as well as or they do

764
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,330
better

765
00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:58,159
they generally they do better than the

766
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:59,690
vast majority have managed managed

767
00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:02,510
mutual you talk about Davos you

768
00:31:59,690 --> 00:32:05,590
mentioned Bridgewater's Ray Dalio or

769
00:32:02,510 --> 00:32:09,620
Scott mannered from Guggenheim Partners

770
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:12,260
do we know if those funds outperform the

771
00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:14,510
Vanguard 500 I don't know about their

772
00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:17,860
specific funds one by one but what we

773
00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:21,980
know overall is that the vast majority

774
00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:25,399
of you know managed investment funds of

775
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:28,820
any sort will not over time beat the S&P

776
00:32:25,399 --> 00:32:31,460
500 right they simply won't it's not

777
00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:33,139
possible great because you've got away

778
00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:34,490
you've got it you know you've got it buy

779
00:32:33,139 --> 00:32:35,570
at the right time you have to sell at

780
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:37,100
the right time you have to pick the

781
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:38,870
right stocks at the right time and sell

782
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:40,610
the right stocks at the right time you

783
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:44,960
have to account for all the transaction

784
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:47,330
costs all of that makes it so that less

785
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,789
than 1% of people and that less of one

786
00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:51,740
percent of people includes the managers

787
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:53,600
of these funds it includes you and me

788
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:55,490
right there's no significant difference

789
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,220
at this point to not do this you're in

790
00:32:55,490 --> 00:33:02,570
in your app only 1% do it year in and

791
00:32:58,220 --> 00:33:04,760
year out it's less than 1% so so the

792
00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:09,190
odds are that these geniuses meeting in

793
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:13,370
Davos do not outperform the index funds

794
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:17,539
right or if they do it's because they

795
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:19,549
have either you know they've got access

796
00:33:17,539 --> 00:33:22,880
to investments that you and I don't

797
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:25,669
write you know they get in at crap

798
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,649
preferred rates there's just one of the

799
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:30,340
secrets of warren buffett success I was

800
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:33,980
just going to ask you about

801
00:33:30,340 --> 00:33:36,950
by the way extremely good investor and a

802
00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:39,889
big and a big fan of John bogles right

803
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:40,909
because he knows you and I are not

804
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:43,279
getting in

805
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:45,080
goldman sachs a at the ring he's getting

806
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:47,119
it right or the return he's guaranteed

807
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:51,529
or the conditions he can invest under

808
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:53,529
and so the result is is that you know

809
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:55,849
people are the financial services sector

810
00:33:53,529 --> 00:33:58,279
you know was making a killing for years

811
00:33:55,849 --> 00:33:59,960
convincing people that they could you

812
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,820
know keep up with the big boys right

813
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:05,269
what in fact they could do no such thing

814
00:34:01,820 --> 00:34:07,429
and sort of boggles genius was that he

815
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:10,579
came along at the right time right

816
00:34:07,429 --> 00:34:13,700
he founded the you know the he opens the

817
00:34:10,579 --> 00:34:17,000
fund to the public in late 1975 just

818
00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:19,190
about the same time as the individual

819
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,829
retirement account debuts and only a

820
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:23,839
couple of years before the 401k debuts

821
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:27,049
so all of a sudden people are kind of

822
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:29,990
forced to do this and so because of the

823
00:34:27,049 --> 00:34:32,030
keep in mind even as late as late 1980s

824
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:36,260
you only have about 25% of people

825
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:39,200
invested in the stock market so what he

826
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:41,419
what if his genius is isn't just that he

827
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:44,329
realizes you can't keep up right you're

828
00:34:41,419 --> 00:34:47,210
knocking it out investors out invest you

829
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:48,589
know the stock market it's that there

830
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:50,629
were a lot of people who actually don't

831
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:52,369
want to the financial services sector

832
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:53,929
had sort of predicated their pitch on

833
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:55,639
gee you want to be smarter than the

834
00:34:53,929 --> 00:34:59,869
markets right you want to do better

835
00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:01,549
what Bogle kind of Intuit it he's I'm

836
00:34:59,869 --> 00:35:04,069
not totally sure he would have even put

837
00:35:01,549 --> 00:35:05,930
it this way but what he intuited is that

838
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:07,760
actually a lot of people were just okay

839
00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:09,980
keeping up with the Dow Jones a--'s they

840
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,359
want to be had which is a major

841
00:35:09,980 --> 00:35:16,250
difference right

842
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:17,990
and because index funds are not you know

843
00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:19,400
they don't have superstar managers they

844
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:21,650
don't have to pick up trading costs

845
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,730
they're just replicating it index you

846
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:25,460
can actually offer them at this

847
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:28,039
incredibly cheap price in fact they're

848
00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:30,049
now you know places like fidelity that's

849
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:32,029
offering them at literally zero costs

850
00:35:30,049 --> 00:35:35,390
hoping to sell people who invested them

851
00:35:32,029 --> 00:35:37,880
on other services because they're really

852
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:39,319
there's no call there's next to no cost

853
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,319
I mean there's a small cost to them but

854
00:35:39,319 --> 00:35:46,059
there's really very little cost and so

855
00:35:42,319 --> 00:35:48,829
you know he made Americans lives better

856
00:35:46,059 --> 00:35:51,319
you know but I do want to say before we

857
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:52,880
all go yeah a John Bogle you know just

858
00:35:51,319 --> 00:35:54,500
couldn't solve the retirement issue on

859
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,109
his own right the

860
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:59,060
to the batter else as the 401k and the

861
00:35:57,109 --> 00:36:02,329
individual retirement account worthy as

862
00:35:59,060 --> 00:36:04,190
they are or not whatever you think of

863
00:36:02,329 --> 00:36:06,589
them in and of themselves are generally

864
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:09,589
still for rich people I mean the fact of

865
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:11,660
the matter is is the combination of the

866
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:13,940
fact that you know there is income

867
00:36:11,660 --> 00:36:16,220
massive income inequality there is

868
00:36:13,940 --> 00:36:17,540
wealth inequality you know huge numbers

869
00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:19,730
of people can't afford to put the money

870
00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:22,430
in and even if they do they're probably

871
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:24,400
not putting enough in so you know what

872
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:28,310
he really did was make a bad situation

873
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:30,109
somewhat better and that's that's still

874
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:31,670
a really good thing I'm not gonna sit

875
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:33,619
here and knock him for it but I don't

876
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:35,720
want to say that had we all listened to

877
00:36:33,619 --> 00:36:37,490
John Bogle there'd be no issue with

878
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:39,740
people saving for retirement because

879
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:42,890
that's probably not true either you

880
00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:45,349
write that financial planners in America

881
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:49,220
are glorified stockbrokers who were just

882
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:51,890
tricking you into buying the products

883
00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:53,690
that they're being told to push so their

884
00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:57,319
investment firm makes money

885
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:59,150
there was a fiduciary rule set up by the

886
00:36:57,319 --> 00:37:01,280
Obama administration I believe it was

887
00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:05,030
housed in the Commerce Department right

888
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,440
Wilbur Ross Labor Department Department

889
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:09,319
of Labor right

890
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:12,470
what is the fiduciary rule and what has

891
00:37:09,319 --> 00:37:16,700
happened to it well it's no more so the

892
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:19,880
idea was was that for retirement savers

893
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:21,800
as we talked about right so you go to

894
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,359
your most people go to seek financial

895
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,310
advice they think their financial

896
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:27,520
advisor which is what are these young

897
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:30,230
terms of the industry it means nothing

898
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,940
it's somebody who has it like basically

899
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:33,260
like a doctor Hippocratic oath to you

900
00:37:31,940 --> 00:37:35,810
right does they have to act your best

901
00:37:33,260 --> 00:37:37,460
interests and when when when this is

902
00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:39,800
polled a vast majority of people think

903
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:41,839
this it's totally not true the vast

904
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,579
majority of financial advisors work to

905
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:45,800
this rather load standard called the

906
00:37:43,579 --> 00:37:48,020
suitability standard which basically

907
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,819
means they can prioritize their

908
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:51,319
financial interests over your own as

909
00:37:49,819 --> 00:37:54,200
long as they're not doing out now

910
00:37:51,319 --> 00:37:58,730
malfeasance toward you so for instance

911
00:37:54,200 --> 00:38:00,140
they don't have to tell you if you know

912
00:37:58,730 --> 00:38:02,839
they're recommending a particular

913
00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:05,720
investment over one that would do better

914
00:38:02,839 --> 00:38:07,130
for you and that they're recommending an

915
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,000
investment because it tastes up a bigger

916
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:09,500
Commission or

917
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,830
they're somehow getting pushed by their

918
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:17,120
employer to put you selling you on it

919
00:38:12,830 --> 00:38:18,710
which is right and you know and they

920
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,200
don't have to say that it's only a

921
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:23,120
problem if it's out now now sees it like

922
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,880
it's just so incredibly inappropriate

923
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,410
for you it's also very hard to prove

924
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,210
right because they then make you sign

925
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:31,010
mandatory arbitration agreements a good

926
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:33,560
luck to you actually getting justice at

927
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:35,300
that point so I mean there are some

928
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,270
advisors who work to a higher standard

929
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:40,280
but you like have to do to ask for them

930
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:42,740
and so anyway so you have these people

931
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,660
who do this and so the retired and the

932
00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:47,090
Obama administration estimated this was

933
00:38:44,660 --> 00:38:48,740
costing investors about seventeen

934
00:38:47,090 --> 00:38:50,660
billion dollars a year and they're in

935
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:53,330
gains again something that would make

936
00:38:50,660 --> 00:38:55,520
life a lot better for people and they

937
00:38:53,330 --> 00:38:58,970
really attempted to change this for

938
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,650
retirement savers and they because the

939
00:38:58,970 --> 00:39:03,650
Department of Labor has jurisdiction

940
00:39:00,650 --> 00:39:08,270
over retirement savings not all savings

941
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:10,730
and so they basically push this through

942
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:12,860
that this would be the law through

943
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:16,430
regular the regulatory process for

944
00:39:12,860 --> 00:39:18,740
retirement savers and it gets challenged

945
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:21,410
in the courts and a very conservative

946
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:24,020
court in Texas basically overturns it

947
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:26,240
and the Obama administration and by this

948
00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:27,410
time were days away from the Trump

949
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:29,480
administration and the Trump

950
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:31,820
administration's like we're really not

951
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,370
interested in this and that's pretty

952
00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:36,440
much the end of it there's now some

953
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:38,060
attempts to do it through the Securities

954
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,040
and Exchange Commission but they're very

955
00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:43,520
weak and not producing to be going much

956
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,900
of anywhere at the moment and anyway

957
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,430
though to bring this back to John Bogle

958
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:48,800
John Bogle basically spent the last

959
00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:50,780
years of his life frantically trying to

960
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,060
promote the idea of the fiduciary

961
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:55,790
standard that your advisor should have a

962
00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:57,980
duty to you that exceeded the duty to

963
00:39:55,790 --> 00:40:00,470
his or her pocketbook there are a couple

964
00:39:57,980 --> 00:40:03,620
of things I'm absolutely convinced of I

965
00:40:00,470 --> 00:40:06,800
know that we need Medicare for all I

966
00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:09,710
know that there's just if you're against

967
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,300
it watch out because I will come after

968
00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:14,060
you with everything I've got

969
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:16,370
which is nothing but I wanted to sound

970
00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:19,010
tough for a second I know that Ralph

971
00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:22,220
Nader's our greatest living American

972
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:25,220
I know that a vegetarian vegan diet is

973
00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:27,619
morally superior and would save the

974
00:40:25,220 --> 00:40:30,920
planet and this is what I believe and I

975
00:40:27,619 --> 00:40:34,010
want you to respond to this there are

976
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:37,760
more mutual funds than there are stocks

977
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:41,060
there are more baskets of stocks than

978
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,190
there are stocks to put in those baskets

979
00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:47,869
which means we've seen this

980
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:50,480
proliferation of people who have become

981
00:40:47,869 --> 00:40:53,510
investment advisors and making all these

982
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,550
financial products that benefit nobody

983
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:58,490
they don't have perform the index funds

984
00:40:55,550 --> 00:41:02,000
these products these financial products

985
00:40:58,490 --> 00:41:06,890
only benefit the people who are selling

986
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:10,580
them and they're selling a lie I am

987
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:14,119
utterly I am utterly convinced that if

988
00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:16,790
you shut down 90 percent of the

989
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:20,869
financial sector in this country we

990
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:22,070
would have a much healthier economy but

991
00:41:20,869 --> 00:41:26,150
just think what it would do to the New

992
00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:27,680
York City restaurant scene but is that

993
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:29,960
isn't that true that you can eliminate

994
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,730
when you talk about taking an

995
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,920
etch-a-sketch to the federal government

996
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:37,130
if we took an etch-a-sketch to Wall

997
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:39,470
Street and just got rid of ninety

998
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:44,450
percent of the people who work there you

999
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:50,090
see the entire country grow and blossom

1000
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:52,460
and bloom I talked about this in town

1001
00:41:50,090 --> 00:41:57,490
foolish right financialization of the

1002
00:41:52,460 --> 00:42:00,350
economy and these jobs are basically

1003
00:41:57,490 --> 00:42:03,859
that jobs for the whole sector is

1004
00:42:00,350 --> 00:42:06,800
basically turning americans into so much

1005
00:42:03,859 --> 00:42:08,540
they're sort of leeches in one level on

1006
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,280
the american public I mean financial

1007
00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:12,200
sector has a valuable role I don't want

1008
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,910
to say that their total leeches yeah

1009
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,660
there's no investment without the

1010
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:19,070
financial sector right but what these

1011
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:20,210
what they've done and what the financial

1012
00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:22,940
sector has done what the health care

1013
00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:25,040
sector has done is over time it's not

1014
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:27,710
just that they're doing good they're

1015
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:30,650
also profiting by sort of like attaching

1016
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:34,670
themselves as leeches and try to extract

1017
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:36,950
see after see after see out of Americans

1018
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:40,220
who are suffering from stagnant wages

1019
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:42,440
who are you know falling behind a rapid

1020
00:42:40,220 --> 00:42:45,260
pace and one of the reasons they're

1021
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,510
falling behind is because you have to

1022
00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:48,800
give more of your money to this and I

1023
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:50,990
actually don't even think the financial

1024
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,850
sector is the worst of all the actors at

1025
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:54,680
all of us keep in mind the price of

1026
00:42:52,850 --> 00:42:56,720
insulin has basically doubled over the

1027
00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:00,260
last five or six years right

1028
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:03,140
that's just plain out extraction yeah I

1029
00:43:00,260 --> 00:43:05,750
mean it's extortion of sick people it's

1030
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:07,460
horrible and it should be stopped but

1031
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:09,500
because we have wealthy people and

1032
00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:12,710
wealthy corporations basically dictating

1033
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:14,420
government policy it's not and so I

1034
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:15,950
don't want to just single out the

1035
00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:17,630
financial sector for this because I

1036
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:20,180
think it's a much much bigger problem

1037
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:21,740
than that we bring back the draft and if

1038
00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:24,920
you want to be a conscientious objector

1039
00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:27,830
then you have to live for two years on

1040
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:31,220
food stamps in fact I think every

1041
00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:34,330
American when they turn 22 should have

1042
00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:39,050
to spend a year living on food stamps

1043
00:43:34,330 --> 00:43:41,900
that through taxation I think we need

1044
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:44,840
free public education at our

1045
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:48,200
universities and we pay for it

1046
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:51,670
by demanding that when you graduate you

1047
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:53,900
have to live below poverty for a year

1048
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:55,850
yeah but you know people's parents would

1049
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:59,390
just let some money on the side come on

1050
00:43:55,850 --> 00:44:01,910
but you can use the IRS to to monitor

1051
00:43:59,390 --> 00:44:06,800
that if everybody had to spend one year

1052
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:09,080
of their insignificant life living below

1053
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:12,620
the poverty line be a much better

1054
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:14,120
country 24 if you're 24 23 what does it

1055
00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:16,160
matter if you're living below the

1056
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,410
poverty line I think would just be

1057
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:21,230
better like tax the upper levels so that

1058
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:23,870
more of us are living less divided lives

1059
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:25,640
that's it that's who I mean you know

1060
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:27,770
it's I think that would probably

1061
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,940
ultimately have more of an impact I mean

1062
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:31,880
because one of the things I talked about

1063
00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:33,080
was wealth inequality and I think I

1064
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,810
mentioned this earlier in the show I

1065
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,630
mean it isolates people I mean the thing

1066
00:44:35,810 --> 00:44:40,730
so you know you literally get you know

1067
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:42,770
this sort of like Donald Trump doesn't

1068
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:43,520
appear to have a clue how a supermarket

1069
00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:45,560
works right

1070
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,970
right like he literally thinks like you

1071
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,990
could go in there and put stuff on

1072
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:53,000
account um probably because when he what

1073
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:55,400
goes to a supermarket if I had to guess

1074
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,870
he turns 28 and tells them to put it on

1075
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,490
a credit card right he probably doesn't

1076
00:44:56,870 --> 00:45:01,220
even deal with it himself he doesn't

1077
00:44:58,490 --> 00:45:02,420
have any cash right most of the very

1078
00:45:01,220 --> 00:45:03,950
wealthy people I've ever met in my life

1079
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:09,260
many of them don't walk around with cash

1080
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:11,480
right and I think that you know it's an

1081
00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:13,850
isolating thing and I think what would

1082
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,770
really make a knock at some of the

1083
00:45:13,850 --> 00:45:19,880
divides in our society is simply

1084
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:22,490
bringing this divide down because it

1085
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:25,460
would encourage people to not live such

1086
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:27,530
isolated lives and I think the less

1087
00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:29,150
isolated of life you lead the more

1088
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:30,890
empathy you're going to have for other

1089
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:33,890
people I mean that's just a certain

1090
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:36,290
amount of common sense you know it's if

1091
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:39,080
you don't know people personally who

1092
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:41,210
this sort of stuff impacts except maybe

1093
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,410
your made you know the chances are

1094
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:44,120
incredible you're just not going to

1095
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:46,130
think of it as a problem because it's

1096
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,480
gonna seem so abstract and I mean that

1097
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:49,460
for people who are decently well-meaning

1098
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:53,690
not like the cretins who are in charge

1099
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:55,430
right now right and I think that that's

1100
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:57,190
really in the end the most you know

1101
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:59,510
valuable thing and I think that was why

1102
00:45:57,190 --> 00:46:02,240
Alexandria Castillo Cortez hits such a

1103
00:45:59,510 --> 00:46:03,980
nerve with that 70% marginal tax rate

1104
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:06,590
it's like wait a second we're gonna have

1105
00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:08,510
to give something up right wait a second

1106
00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:10,250
you know we're part of this we're part

1107
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:11,720
of the problem you know because they've

1108
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:13,940
all convinced themselves there's somehow

1109
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:17,540
not part of the problem right right and

1110
00:46:13,940 --> 00:46:19,610
I've learned from her that yeah

1111
00:46:17,540 --> 00:46:21,650
taxing them at you know seventy percent

1112
00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:25,190
after ten million may not pay for

1113
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:29,600
everything but there's a virtue to

1114
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:32,660
insisting that the richest 1% has less

1115
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:35,180
money and I and I want to say that to

1116
00:46:32,660 --> 00:46:38,210
Larry Kudlow and the people at Davos the

1117
00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:41,240
purpose of taxing you at seventy percent

1118
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:44,450
after ten million is so you don't have

1119
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:46,280
as much money that's the problem I'm not

1120
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:48,650
concerned about paying for Medicare by

1121
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,960
taxing you with this rate I'm only

1122
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:52,880
concerned about making sure that you

1123
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,930
have less money

1124
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,920
ergo less power right I think

1125
00:46:56,930 --> 00:47:00,140
one of the things that's interesting

1126
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:04,220
that's creeping into this argument is

1127
00:47:00,140 --> 00:47:05,960
that because we've been so thinking this

1128
00:47:04,220 --> 00:47:07,760
way for so long right I think of it as a

1129
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,369
sort of forty year cycle right that sort

1130
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,930
of starts in the late 1970s that we have

1131
00:47:10,369 --> 00:47:14,510
to sort of justify everything by a

1132
00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:16,369
cost-benefit analysis right well you

1133
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:18,829
know if we're gonna tax it has to do X

1134
00:47:16,369 --> 00:47:21,020
or Y when in fact it could just have

1135
00:47:18,829 --> 00:47:22,550
this greater goal of simply reducing

1136
00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:25,010
income inequality and wealth inequality

1137
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:27,619
because that in and of itself is a good

1138
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:28,910
thing right and I think that's the thing

1139
00:47:27,619 --> 00:47:30,920
that's kind of getting lost in this

1140
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:32,180
argument a little bit as well you know

1141
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,400
this world you know this won't pay for

1142
00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:35,690
this well maybe it won't but a lot of

1143
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,230
other good things will come out of the

1144
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:42,380
fact that you're going to simply have

1145
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:44,059
less money I mean that's you know that

1146
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:46,250
you're gonna be forced to interact with

1147
00:47:44,059 --> 00:47:49,069
other people more you're gonna be forced

1148
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:50,450
to you know ponder the fact that you

1149
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:52,309
know no you're not going to solve the

1150
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:53,869
world's problems by setting up a charity

1151
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:55,849
which is dependent on the amount of

1152
00:47:53,869 --> 00:47:57,290
money you want to give it voluntarily by

1153
00:47:55,849 --> 00:48:00,349
you know issues that are going to be

1154
00:47:57,290 --> 00:48:01,970
decided by us as a society yeah and

1155
00:48:00,349 --> 00:48:04,369
that's the big thing that has been lost

1156
00:48:01,970 --> 00:48:06,410
over the past 40 years is that we've

1157
00:48:04,369 --> 00:48:08,569
sort of had this idea that wealthy

1158
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:09,530
people as I bring this full circle to

1159
00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:11,660
what I said at the beginning that

1160
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:13,400
wealthy people like are somehow you know

1161
00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:15,020
these uber people and that they just

1162
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,579
have this better sense of the way the

1163
00:48:15,020 --> 00:48:18,410
world works and the rest of us you know

1164
00:48:16,579 --> 00:48:20,960
random you know day-to-day you know

1165
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:23,240
scroungers out there and and therefore

1166
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,400
they should have more of a say and that

1167
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:27,380
their money is buying them that say and

1168
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,420
I just at the end of the day I don't

1169
00:48:27,380 --> 00:48:31,309
think that's right our founding fathers

1170
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:33,380
were against primogeniture they made it

1171
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:35,720
against the law from a Gentry's like

1172
00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:39,730
leaving all your money to your oldest

1173
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:42,770
son so the money stays concentrated in

1174
00:48:39,730 --> 00:48:44,809
one person so there's an aristocracy we

1175
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:48,260
our founding fathers outlawed having an

1176
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:51,200
aristocracy but they've rejiggered the

1177
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:53,540
tax system so there is one anyway okay

1178
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,930
next week next week Helaine olen is the

1179
00:48:53,540 --> 00:48:59,960
author Huff pound-foolish and the index

1180
00:48:56,930 --> 00:49:01,970
card which she co-wrote and she writes

1181
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:03,250
for The Washington Post everybody should

1182
00:49:01,970 --> 00:49:06,020
read her over at the Washington Post

1183
00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:06,680
thank you thank you for having me on are

1184
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:08,160
you kidding

1185
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:28,619
Stan wine for one second

1186
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:28,619
[Music]

1187
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:34,880
you're listening to the david feldman

1188
00:49:31,460 --> 00:49:38,500
radio program you said pathetic humph

1189
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,970
let's go to deerfield massachusetts were

1190
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:43,609
screenwriter actor comedian and

1191
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:45,890
gentleman farmer John Ross is standing

1192
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:49,099
by hello John it's always an adventure

1193
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:51,530
and exciting to hear my introduction to

1194
00:49:49,099 --> 00:49:53,060
find out who and what I am because it's

1195
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:55,099
different every time and I enjoy it

1196
00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:58,369
you're an award-winning comedy writer

1197
00:49:55,099 --> 00:50:00,140
that is true yes what's happening with

1198
00:49:58,369 --> 00:50:02,540
the government shutdown is your farm

1199
00:50:00,140 --> 00:50:05,690
being affected by this Donald Trump my

1200
00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:07,640
esteem for him grows every day that one

1201
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:10,190
thing about the wall that I'm a little

1202
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:12,800
bit mmm like how effective is a wall

1203
00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:16,190
really I mean why not a dome let's

1204
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,619
enclose the entire country they can't

1205
00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:23,810
get over a dome let me think about this

1206
00:50:18,619 --> 00:50:27,290
for a second that makes sense

1207
00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:31,400
for now I'll take the wall these crybaby

1208
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:31,609
federal workers who want their money why

1209
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,099
not

1210
00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:36,890
liquidate some of your stocks sell a

1211
00:50:34,099 --> 00:50:38,990
bond well how is this that hard they're

1212
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:41,089
learning their lesson because Donald

1213
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:43,490
Trump is teaching us teaching them and

1214
00:50:41,089 --> 00:50:45,619
teaching us that their jobs are

1215
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:47,750
irrelevant like we don't even need their

1216
00:50:45,619 --> 00:50:49,070
jobs because America has to top it up

1217
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:51,880
you know what I mean mm-hmm

1218
00:50:49,070 --> 00:50:55,280
like the all the crybaby Americans I

1219
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:57,530
inspect my food before I eat it I need

1220
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,050
somebody to inspect this what are you a

1221
00:50:57,530 --> 00:51:01,130
baby right if it doesn't smell good

1222
00:51:00,050 --> 00:51:03,190
don't eat it

1223
00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:05,930
right you don't nobody inspect your food

1224
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:07,280
right right you don't need that oh I

1225
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:09,380
don't want to get an airplane let

1226
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,960
somebody inspect it first it's got two

1227
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:14,570
wings in two wheels it's a plane

1228
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:17,330
get on it ray got fired the air traffic

1229
00:51:14,570 --> 00:51:18,859
controllers do we still have aircraft I

1230
00:51:17,330 --> 00:51:20,330
know they went on strike and to teach

1231
00:51:18,859 --> 00:51:22,580
them a lesson he fired all the air

1232
00:51:20,330 --> 00:51:25,460
traffic controllers don't the planes

1233
00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:27,530
just automatically know where to go and

1234
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:29,540
where to fly now you don't need those

1235
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:31,339
guys well they have autopilot and they

1236
00:51:29,540 --> 00:51:33,950
have Auto traffic controller I'm sure I

1237
00:51:31,339 --> 00:51:35,690
think I read that somewhere yeah you

1238
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:38,450
don't need that Hey and you know I heard

1239
00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:40,700
these federal prison guards like Oh

1240
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:41,839
cry baby I don't have gas to get back

1241
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:42,950
and forth to work so you know what they

1242
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:46,579
did this is true

1243
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:48,980
they set up cots in the prison for the

1244
00:51:46,579 --> 00:51:50,150
prison guards so they just sleep there

1245
00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:52,670
that makes sense

1246
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:55,400
right exactly all these things are like

1247
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:58,520
wow why haven't we been doing this all

1248
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,020
along have the guards be in the prison

1249
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,240
with the prisoners all the time

1250
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:05,390
it's insane that they're not the

1251
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:10,070
inefficiency exactly Donald Trump is

1252
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:12,800
making this country eficient mm-hmm

1253
00:52:10,070 --> 00:52:15,320
so that's good yeah Wilbur Ross had some

1254
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:20,000
good oh your uncle uncle Wilbur he's got

1255
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,750
that Ross chin that swagger he does have

1256
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,630
the swagger

1257
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:25,670
he's any successful just like you yeah

1258
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:28,790
yeah so what did he say he said take a

1259
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:31,609
loan exactly why can't they go take

1260
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:33,890
payday loans they're too lazy to go to

1261
00:52:31,609 --> 00:52:36,680
the bank and get along you believe it

1262
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:38,329
that's federal employees for you yep

1263
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,430
yeah yeah they've been trained

1264
00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:43,010
I want my government checks sent to me

1265
00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:46,730
because I'm a federal employee yeah did

1266
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:49,430
is wanted handed to me spoon-fed Donald

1267
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:52,040
Trump is spoon feeding them the bitter

1268
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:54,950
medicine these people need and spoon

1269
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:58,490
feeding the rest of us the truth as are

1270
00:52:54,950 --> 00:53:01,160
you thank you John Ross you're welcome

1271
00:52:58,490 --> 00:53:04,640
these cry-baby federal workers having

1272
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:06,950
soup kitchens and food drives canned

1273
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,050
food drives for these people you cannot

1274
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:11,510
give them free food they're like stray

1275
00:53:09,050 --> 00:53:13,130
cats like they'll be back yeah looking

1276
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:15,319
for a handout as soon as you give them

1277
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:17,240
anything so we've got to get rid of

1278
00:53:15,319 --> 00:53:17,540
these people should take their kids from

1279
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:19,369
them

1280
00:53:17,540 --> 00:53:22,579
so you're saying two separate federal

1281
00:53:19,369 --> 00:53:24,560
employees from their kids it's not a bad

1282
00:53:22,579 --> 00:53:27,079
idea it's a great idea they shouldn't be

1283
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:30,260
having kids now who do we get to

1284
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:31,880
separate them from their kids we might

1285
00:53:30,260 --> 00:53:34,460
have to ask them to self separate

1286
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,710
because self-deportation

1287
00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:38,270
which I began was Mitt Romney's idea

1288
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:40,430
yeah that's right I got it for my admit

1289
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:43,250
I stole it I took it and I took it in a

1290
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:46,339
different direction self separation

1291
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:49,579
mm-hmm like an amoeba or a Paramecium

1292
00:53:46,339 --> 00:53:54,260
maybe we should get Laura Trump to

1293
00:53:49,579 --> 00:53:55,890
promote yeah I love her she is I like

1294
00:53:54,260 --> 00:53:58,500
her she's married

1295
00:53:55,890 --> 00:54:00,750
she's married to Eric the hunter what a

1296
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:01,799
great guy the apple doesn't fall far

1297
00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:05,369
from the tree

1298
00:54:01,799 --> 00:54:07,500
Donald Trump he self separated he's a

1299
00:54:05,369 --> 00:54:10,410
good father he's a great father I

1300
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:13,319
apologize he's a great father he self

1301
00:54:10,410 --> 00:54:15,510
separated he knew that the best thing

1302
00:54:13,319 --> 00:54:17,519
for kids is self separation

1303
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:20,099
he left the mother he left everybody

1304
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:23,210
left everybody and it made those kids

1305
00:54:20,099 --> 00:54:26,400
tough it made him top it made them

1306
00:54:23,210 --> 00:54:28,140
ambitious I mean those guys are geniuses

1307
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,019
Don jr. and Eric if they could have gone

1308
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:33,839
and worked for anybody they could have

1309
00:54:31,019 --> 00:54:36,539
gotten any job in any fortune 500

1310
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:38,369
company but what do they do they came

1311
00:54:36,539 --> 00:54:40,740
back to Donald and now they're working

1312
00:54:38,369 --> 00:54:45,900
for us which is nice

1313
00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:50,279
and nobody thanks them you and I do you

1314
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:52,769
read about that male nurse at the care

1315
00:54:50,279 --> 00:54:56,640
facility this person in a vegetative

1316
00:54:52,769 --> 00:54:58,740
state gave birth Yeah right and they're

1317
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,589
claiming he's being accused of

1318
00:54:58,740 --> 00:55:04,890
impregnating this woman in a coma you've

1319
00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:06,539
got the story straight and he's produced

1320
00:55:04,890 --> 00:55:11,759
his personal calendars that prove that

1321
00:55:06,539 --> 00:55:13,559
he didn't was he with squeaked they're

1322
00:55:11,759 --> 00:55:16,430
ruining a good man they're trying to

1323
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:20,819
ruining a good man just because

1324
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:22,319
political correctness where are you

1325
00:55:20,819 --> 00:55:24,539
gonna get good people to serve in

1326
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:26,700
government like Brett Kavanaugh what he

1327
00:55:24,539 --> 00:55:28,170
went through right well that's funny I

1328
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:29,309
hadn't thought about Brett Kavanaugh and

1329
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:30,960
we were talking about this but oh yeah

1330
00:55:29,309 --> 00:55:32,819
Brett Kavanaugh yes he went through a

1331
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,319
similar thing it occurs to me now you

1332
00:55:32,819 --> 00:55:36,900
know it's a miracle that anybody would

1333
00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:42,390
want to be a Supreme Court justice and

1334
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:45,809
it's a miracle that anybody would wanna

1335
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:47,819
have sex with a quadriplegic in a coma

1336
00:55:45,809 --> 00:55:51,569
if there are these kind of consequences

1337
00:55:47,819 --> 00:55:54,630
he'll restrain him dangerous territory

1338
00:55:51,569 --> 00:55:58,019
all right god bless america yes sir

1339
00:55:54,630 --> 00:56:00,359
god bless Donald Trump yes sir and god

1340
00:55:58,019 --> 00:56:03,329
bless the men and women of ice who are

1341
00:56:00,359 --> 00:56:05,220
keeping her border safe yes I have

1342
00:56:03,329 --> 00:56:09,059
pictures of them life-sized pictures on

1343
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:09,539
my wall of the heroes of ice god bless

1344
00:56:09,059 --> 00:56:11,429
them

1345
00:56:09,539 --> 00:56:13,829
god bless you sir and you're teaching

1346
00:56:11,429 --> 00:56:15,959
screenwriting at Covington Catholic

1347
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:18,509
school I understand that is correct yeah

1348
00:56:15,959 --> 00:56:21,389
we start with a little drum circle yes

1349
00:56:18,509 --> 00:56:24,359
we sing we chant about structure and

1350
00:56:21,389 --> 00:56:24,929
plot points and the dark night of the

1351
00:56:24,359 --> 00:56:30,269
soul

1352
00:56:24,929 --> 00:56:32,909
what about Kamala Harris huh huh right

1353
00:56:30,269 --> 00:56:36,509
she's put everyone in San Francisco in

1354
00:56:32,909 --> 00:56:39,119
jail mm-hmm right no evidence when she

1355
00:56:36,509 --> 00:56:41,159
was the DA in San Francisco with all

1356
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:44,939
made up of it with all made up evidence

1357
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:48,359
yes such as the FBI they're all in on

1358
00:56:44,939 --> 00:56:50,399
the FBI we gotta get may be no more

1359
00:56:48,359 --> 00:56:53,880
prosecutors now you're a member of the

1360
00:56:50,399 --> 00:56:55,909
National Rifle Association yes that was

1361
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,619
your dr. Martin Luther King Day

1362
00:56:55,909 --> 00:57:01,349
delightful you know that I'm very

1363
00:56:58,619 --> 00:57:05,130
reverent of the Reverend dr. Martin

1364
00:57:01,349 --> 00:57:07,319
Luther King jr. great man I don't think

1365
00:57:05,130 --> 00:57:11,219
generator man than dr. Martin Luther

1366
00:57:07,319 --> 00:57:15,239
King jr. possibly not and cut down in

1367
00:57:11,219 --> 00:57:18,479
his prime and did not have to be did you

1368
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:21,539
know that he had applied a gun permit a

1369
00:57:18,479 --> 00:57:24,209
carry permit in a state that a May issue

1370
00:57:21,539 --> 00:57:25,979
like it might and then and they turned

1371
00:57:24,209 --> 00:57:28,709
him down they turned him down they

1372
00:57:25,979 --> 00:57:30,419
turned him down to get a gun to get a

1373
00:57:28,709 --> 00:57:33,089
gun now you're a member of the National

1374
00:57:30,419 --> 00:57:35,999
Rifle Association yes I would like to

1375
00:57:33,089 --> 00:57:38,789
run for president I think that I could

1376
00:57:35,999 --> 00:57:42,959
challenge Oliver North but yes right now

1377
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:45,389
I'm just a plebeian run-of-the-mill yeah

1378
00:57:42,959 --> 00:57:47,159
actually a that dr. Martin Luther King

1379
00:57:45,389 --> 00:57:50,989
jr. would still be alive today

1380
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:56,369
had he been issued that handgun

1381
00:57:50,989 --> 00:57:58,469
obviously it's so simple right yeah yeah

1382
00:57:56,369 --> 00:58:01,699
the only way to stop a bad guy with a

1383
00:57:58,469 --> 00:58:05,999
gun is a non-violent pacifist with a gun

1384
00:58:01,699 --> 00:58:10,739
if dr. Martin Luther King jr. had had a

1385
00:58:05,999 --> 00:58:12,929
gun do you think James Earl Ray would

1386
00:58:10,739 --> 00:58:15,149
have tried that no because he would have

1387
00:58:12,929 --> 00:58:17,779
stepped out on that balcony and he would

1388
00:58:15,149 --> 00:58:20,999
have had that gun turned sideways

1389
00:58:17,779 --> 00:58:22,430
gangster style thanks the style and

1390
00:58:20,999 --> 00:58:24,500
James Earl Ray would have

1391
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:25,960
had that sniper rifle on wet whoa whoa

1392
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:28,060
whoa

1393
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:49,060
exactly exactly

1394
00:58:28,060 --> 00:58:51,380
[Music]

1395
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:52,790
you're listening to the david feldman

1396
00:58:51,380 --> 00:58:55,490
radio program

1397
00:58:52,790 --> 00:58:57,650
you said pathetic humph let's go to

1398
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:58,970
washington d.c which is still there i

1399
00:58:57,650 --> 00:59:02,060
hope it is

1400
00:58:58,970 --> 00:59:03,430
oh good okay and Zack Ford is the LGBTQ

1401
00:59:02,060 --> 00:59:07,070
editor for Think Progress

1402
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:09,950
thinkprogress.org read him every day he

1403
00:59:07,070 --> 00:59:12,320
was gone last week but he's back and

1404
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:15,920
we're gonna talk about the Supreme

1405
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:17,660
Court's ruling on the military banning

1406
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,760
transgender people from serving in the

1407
00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:24,230
military I want to talk about religious

1408
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:28,730
freedom foster care and how people start

1409
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:31,400
with persecuting the LGBTQ but it

1410
00:59:28,730 --> 00:59:33,410
doesn't end there and it's on to Muslims

1411
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:38,810
and Jews or it starts with Muslims and

1412
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:42,440
Jews and then goes over to LGBTQ under

1413
00:59:38,810 --> 00:59:46,750
the guise of religious liberty and New

1414
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:50,000
York State very blue but maybe behind on

1415
00:59:46,750 --> 00:59:53,150
LGBTQ issues surprisingly we'll ask Zach

1416
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,910
about that in a second but first Nancy

1417
00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:57,770
Pelosi didn't see great do you think

1418
00:59:55,910 --> 01:00:00,220
she's great you know I think we're

1419
00:59:57,770 --> 01:00:02,960
seeing somebody stand up to Trump and

1420
01:00:00,220 --> 01:00:05,240
that's refreshing in and of itself and I

1421
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,870
think she's doing it in thoughtful

1422
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:12,140
measured ways and you know we saw Trump

1423
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:14,330
cave a little bit because you know he

1424
01:00:12,140 --> 01:00:16,730
wanted to do the State of the Union and

1425
01:00:14,330 --> 01:00:19,070
she said well we're not gonna pass the

1426
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:21,670
thing we need to pass to let you come so

1427
01:00:19,070 --> 01:00:23,480
he kind of gave up on that and you know

1428
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:25,640
obviously he's gonna do what he's gonna

1429
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,710
do he's gonna find some other venue or

1430
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,710
do some one of his campaign events or

1431
01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:32,990
whatever but you know it was it was I'll

1432
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:34,850
show a force from from the Speaker of

1433
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:37,580
the House and it it worked in this

1434
01:00:34,850 --> 01:00:39,470
particular case so I don't know I'm it's

1435
01:00:37,580 --> 01:00:41,540
it's kind of a small potatoes thing but

1436
01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:43,460
I'm optimistic I'm excited to see you

1437
01:00:41,540 --> 01:00:45,110
know what future showdowns might look

1438
01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:47,240
like I thought she approached it in a

1439
01:00:45,110 --> 01:00:50,030
very thoughtful way yeah I got scared

1440
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:53,060
because it happened around the same time

1441
01:00:50,030 --> 01:00:56,330
that Michael Kohn canceled his testimony

1442
01:00:53,060 --> 01:00:58,280
he said I can't guarantee my own safety

1443
01:00:56,330 --> 01:01:00,290
I've been getting threats and then you

1444
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,730
you know you watch the news and they

1445
01:01:00,290 --> 01:01:05,210
replay the

1446
01:01:01,730 --> 01:01:07,850
threats from Giuliani and Donald Trump

1447
01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:09,800
and it is obstruction of justice it's

1448
01:01:07,850 --> 01:01:12,050
saying if you testify we're gonna go

1449
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,900
after your family your father-in-law is

1450
01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:16,850
gonna get arrested it's straight out of

1451
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:19,190
Godfather two we're Frankie five angels

1452
01:01:16,850 --> 01:01:21,590
as testifying and suddenly his brother

1453
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:25,130
shows up from Sicily this is just

1454
01:01:21,590 --> 01:01:28,520
downright mobster intimidation that was

1455
01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:33,200
going on early in the day on Wednesday

1456
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:34,880
and Trump said I'm going to the Capitol

1457
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,680
whether or not I'm invited I'm gonna

1458
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:40,520
deliver that State of the Union I began

1459
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:44,600
to think you know he could do that he

1460
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:47,960
could storm the Capitol with his Secret

1461
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,730
Service or ice and there would be some

1462
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,190
people who would show up for that speech

1463
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:53,840
and that would be really scary it's no

1464
01:01:52,190 --> 01:01:56,750
secret that he was a bully it's no

1465
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:59,030
secret that he's willing to take on

1466
01:01:56,750 --> 01:02:00,680
conventional steps to get his way but

1467
01:01:59,030 --> 01:02:02,210
you know I think it would have been an

1468
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,940
interesting thing if he showed up

1469
01:02:02,210 --> 01:02:07,820
because like I said the house has to

1470
01:02:04,940 --> 01:02:10,220
pass a resolution inviting him in to

1471
01:02:07,820 --> 01:02:12,170
speak and if he showed up and spoke you

1472
01:02:10,220 --> 01:02:14,750
know it'd be topsy-turvy if you'd like

1473
01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:17,840
something out of house of cards but I

1474
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:18,920
don't know that it would you know look

1475
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,540
good in his favor

1476
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,520
I think it would just show that he's

1477
01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:25,550
more of a bully and more of somebody who

1478
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:27,850
is willing to bulldoze to try to get his

1479
01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:31,250
way regardless of how unrealistic or

1480
01:02:27,850 --> 01:02:33,440
xenophobic that way is yeah well 35

1481
01:02:31,250 --> 01:02:36,230
percent of the American people would say

1482
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:38,180
go gadem yeah they've put the

1483
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:40,850
Constitution on a treadmill this is the

1484
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:43,580
ultimate I hope it's the ultimate stress

1485
01:02:40,850 --> 01:02:47,420
test he's found every hole he's like

1486
01:02:43,580 --> 01:02:50,990
water if you've ever been in a flood you

1487
01:02:47,420 --> 01:02:54,410
know what water does he finds every

1488
01:02:50,990 --> 01:02:57,200
crack every hole and leaves behind black

1489
01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:58,580
mold okay you're off to creating change

1490
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,520
what is creating change

1491
01:02:58,580 --> 01:03:04,940
so creating change is the National

1492
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:09,200
Conference on LGBTQ equality it's been

1493
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:11,600
around for a very long time and you know

1494
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,880
it's it's a really wondrous conference

1495
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,750
this year it's in Detroit that brings

1496
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,320
together

1497
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:17,750
elder

1498
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:20,900
bcq activists and leaders from around

1499
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:22,910
the country to strategize with each

1500
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:25,760
other and share their wisdom with each

1501
01:03:22,910 --> 01:03:28,280
other and you know you have all of the

1502
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,140
state Equality advocacy groups show up

1503
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,270
you have all of the folks at

1504
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:34,070
universities who were doing LGBTQ

1505
01:03:32,270 --> 01:03:35,660
support show up you have all the folks

1506
01:03:34,070 --> 01:03:38,180
who are running community centers show

1507
01:03:35,660 --> 01:03:40,610
up and on top of all of that expertise

1508
01:03:38,180 --> 01:03:42,800
you have this vibrant group of very

1509
01:03:40,610 --> 01:03:45,380
young activists you have high school

1510
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,210
kids and college kids who are just eager

1511
01:03:45,380 --> 01:03:48,860
to learn everything and take that back

1512
01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:50,960
to their communities and make a

1513
01:03:48,860 --> 01:03:52,370
difference and I know for me the first

1514
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,590
time I went which was over ten years ago

1515
01:03:52,370 --> 01:03:57,710
now it was the first time that I was

1516
01:03:54,590 --> 01:04:00,050
ever in a totally queer space I mean now

1517
01:03:57,710 --> 01:04:02,450
that I live in DC I can I can spend a

1518
01:04:00,050 --> 01:04:04,820
lot of time in queer specific spaces if

1519
01:04:02,450 --> 01:04:06,290
I want to but as somebody who hadn't

1520
01:04:04,820 --> 01:04:07,310
lived in a city like that before it was

1521
01:04:06,290 --> 01:04:10,130
the first time that I was in this

1522
01:04:07,310 --> 01:04:12,410
environment where everyone I met

1523
01:04:10,130 --> 01:04:13,880
I could generally assume was queer as

1524
01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:15,830
opposed to the opposite it was sort of

1525
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,600
like what I I guess straight people

1526
01:04:15,830 --> 01:04:20,270
enjoy the rest of the time in the world

1527
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,380
and I remember I was living in an Iowa

1528
01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:23,450
at the time that I went to my first

1529
01:04:21,380 --> 01:04:26,120
conference there and I remember like

1530
01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:27,770
driving back into Iowa and thinking like

1531
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:30,080
oh I'm driving back into straight world

1532
01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:33,620
and it literally took me a good week to

1533
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:36,230
sort of you know lose that feeling that

1534
01:04:33,620 --> 01:04:38,870
like everyone around me was you know

1535
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:41,600
part of my community and it was kind of

1536
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:43,670
disputed reality check to come back from

1537
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,740
that but it was still it still is very

1538
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:47,810
liberating the experience and I go back

1539
01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:50,300
and you know even though now I'm one of

1540
01:04:47,810 --> 01:04:52,490
those policy experts and I'll be talking

1541
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:55,070
about the Alliance defending freedom and

1542
01:04:52,490 --> 01:04:57,530
other hate groups at a panel I still

1543
01:04:55,070 --> 01:04:59,240
learn things from other folks I learned

1544
01:04:57,530 --> 01:05:01,160
about why'd to criminalize and sex work

1545
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,320
is important or and I learn about the

1546
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,310
latest you know efforts and HIV advocacy

1547
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,160
or or what-have-you

1548
01:05:04,310 --> 01:05:08,870
and it's just it's a really special

1549
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,540
conference so if you're in the Detroit

1550
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:13,940
area you definitely want to pop over

1551
01:05:11,540 --> 01:05:17,210
there this weekend and see what you can

1552
01:05:13,940 --> 01:05:19,490
learn or just look for us but otherwise

1553
01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:21,770
just keep it on your radar for future

1554
01:05:19,490 --> 01:05:23,210
years it's not the cheapest thing to to

1555
01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:24,800
attend a conference like that

1556
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:26,780
but it's one of the most meaningful that

1557
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,450
I've ever participated in that's why I

1558
01:05:26,780 --> 01:05:30,640
keep going back creating

1559
01:05:28,450 --> 01:05:33,940
change conference January 23rd for the

1560
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:36,339
27th 2019 at the Detroit married at the

1561
01:05:33,940 --> 01:05:39,820
Renaissance Center and it's sponsored by

1562
01:05:36,339 --> 01:05:42,460
the National LGBTQ Task Force

1563
01:05:39,820 --> 01:05:45,040
do they have priorities do they have a

1564
01:05:42,460 --> 01:05:47,050
theme each year do they single out the

1565
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:49,780
one big issue that people should be

1566
01:05:47,050 --> 01:05:51,730
focused on in a sense yes in a sense no

1567
01:05:49,780 --> 01:05:52,869
they have a couple plenary sessions

1568
01:05:51,730 --> 01:05:54,640
which is where they invite the entire

1569
01:05:52,869 --> 01:05:56,470
conference to come together to hear

1570
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,030
certain speakers I think one of the

1571
01:05:56,470 --> 01:06:00,369
panels this year is specifically about

1572
01:05:58,030 --> 01:06:03,490
the me2 movement and its intersections

1573
01:06:00,369 --> 01:06:05,440
with the LGBTQ community but really you

1574
01:06:03,490 --> 01:06:07,510
know there's there's just so much they

1575
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,920
have different topic areas that if you

1576
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:11,170
really want to focus on learning about

1577
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,910
something all of the different workshops

1578
01:06:11,170 --> 01:06:15,550
are categorized in such a way that you

1579
01:06:12,910 --> 01:06:16,839
can make sure you're getting to all of

1580
01:06:15,550 --> 01:06:18,490
the different ones related to what you

1581
01:06:16,839 --> 01:06:19,750
care about but it's really just an

1582
01:06:18,490 --> 01:06:22,660
opportunity to kind of learn about

1583
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:23,920
everything and you know it's it's unlike

1584
01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:27,099
any other commerce I went to in the way

1585
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:29,859
that it creates accessibility and it

1586
01:06:27,099 --> 01:06:31,839
promotes diversity and and creating an

1587
01:06:29,859 --> 01:06:33,940
environment that people feel safe to

1588
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:34,510
participate in it's it's a pretty

1589
01:06:33,940 --> 01:06:36,760
special place

1590
01:06:34,510 --> 01:06:41,369
yeah the me2 movement Kevin Spacey

1591
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:45,310
notwithstanding the violence in same-sex

1592
01:06:41,369 --> 01:06:48,250
relationships has not bubbled up to the

1593
01:06:45,310 --> 01:06:51,099
surface yet on a national scale and I

1594
01:06:48,250 --> 01:06:53,950
think that's something to do with not

1595
01:06:51,099 --> 01:06:57,220
wanting to draw attention to that is

1596
01:06:53,950 --> 01:06:59,619
there some kind of internal regulation

1597
01:06:57,220 --> 01:07:01,329
going on in the LGBTQ I know you don't

1598
01:06:59,619 --> 01:07:03,970
speak for everybody in the LGBTQ

1599
01:07:01,329 --> 01:07:08,020
community but I could I can imagine not

1600
01:07:03,970 --> 01:07:11,800
wanting that issue to bubble up to the

1601
01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:14,950
national media uh yeah we do know that

1602
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:17,050
in same-sex relationships there's just

1603
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:19,000
as much domestic abuse as there are in

1604
01:07:17,050 --> 01:07:21,579
straight relationships so there's

1605
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:24,430
definitely all kinds of related topics

1606
01:07:21,579 --> 01:07:26,829
that are just as pertinent to what we

1607
01:07:24,430 --> 01:07:30,190
experience I don't know that there's any

1608
01:07:26,829 --> 01:07:32,290
particular barrier that people are

1609
01:07:30,190 --> 01:07:35,170
putting up to discussing it I think it's

1610
01:07:32,290 --> 01:07:37,359
just you know we've been so focused on

1611
01:07:35,170 --> 01:07:39,279
on showing how much our families are the

1612
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:41,619
same in positive ways right

1613
01:07:39,279 --> 01:07:43,599
that a lot of the the negative things

1614
01:07:41,619 --> 01:07:45,099
may have been pushed to the backburner

1615
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:46,809
but there are still issues that we need

1616
01:07:45,099 --> 01:07:49,150
to work on as a community in the

1617
01:07:46,809 --> 01:07:49,749
movement to promote our own health and

1618
01:07:49,150 --> 01:07:53,109
safety

1619
01:07:49,749 --> 01:07:57,179
the real problem is straight people or

1620
01:07:53,109 --> 01:08:00,849
closeted gay men beating up homosexuals

1621
01:07:57,179 --> 01:08:05,919
LGBTQ that's the problem so that if you

1622
01:08:00,849 --> 01:08:09,159
bring up the subject of LGBTQ on LGBTQ

1623
01:08:05,919 --> 01:08:12,699
violence it distracts from the real

1624
01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:14,949
problem which is closet cases you know

1625
01:08:12,699 --> 01:08:17,619
being violent towards the LGBTQ

1626
01:08:14,949 --> 01:08:19,809
community so I could see how that isn't

1627
01:08:17,619 --> 01:08:22,719
being addressed yet on a national yeah

1628
01:08:19,809 --> 01:08:24,429
it's definitely you know it it's not a

1629
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:26,079
community that is perfect in every

1630
01:08:24,429 --> 01:08:28,210
single way we we have some of the same

1631
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:30,130
challenges that everyone else faces and

1632
01:08:28,210 --> 01:08:31,839
I think it'll be important to bring more

1633
01:08:30,130 --> 01:08:33,460
light to that so I'm curious to see what

1634
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:35,020
approach they take in the conference

1635
01:08:33,460 --> 01:08:37,960
this weekend I would think the police

1636
01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:40,719
have to be educated first I would think

1637
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:44,109
the same-sex couples have a problem

1638
01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:47,279
calling in a domestic disturbance I

1639
01:08:44,109 --> 01:08:50,319
don't think the police are equipped to

1640
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:53,049
empathize well you're definitely right

1641
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:54,639
that we still face anti LGBTQ

1642
01:08:53,049 --> 01:08:56,799
discrimination from the police there was

1643
01:08:54,639 --> 01:08:59,349
a story just this week of a trans woman

1644
01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:00,849
who was you know basically arrested for

1645
01:08:59,349 --> 01:09:03,270
being trans on the street and just

1646
01:09:00,849 --> 01:09:05,409
walking and she's suing for the

1647
01:09:03,270 --> 01:09:07,000
discrimination that she experienced so I

1648
01:09:05,409 --> 01:09:10,719
think you're right I think there's some

1649
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:12,670
apprehension that we won't get the kind

1650
01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:14,319
of support that we need when we're

1651
01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:16,960
facing these similar kinds of struggles

1652
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:18,520
so we have to you know do that kind of

1653
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,889
training but also just create resources

1654
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:23,079
that help people realize this is a real

1655
01:09:20,889 --> 01:09:23,920
issue and it it might manifest in

1656
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:25,960
different ways

1657
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,599
based on you know makeup of our

1658
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:31,449
relationships and we need to continue to

1659
01:09:28,599 --> 01:09:32,920
protect ourselves from that AOC I'm

1660
01:09:31,449 --> 01:09:36,309
throwing you a curve ball

1661
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:39,670
she's what 28 27 something like that

1662
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:43,119
people my age think there's gonna be a

1663
01:09:39,670 --> 01:09:46,989
backlash to AOC she doesn't care what we

1664
01:09:43,119 --> 01:09:50,319
think it doesn't matter what we think

1665
01:09:46,989 --> 01:09:51,880
has she captured your generation

1666
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:52,619
purchase like I don't care what you

1667
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:56,310
think did I

1668
01:09:52,619 --> 01:09:59,940
white bulb I was talking I was talking

1669
01:09:56,310 --> 01:10:04,590
to some people her age and they said to

1670
01:09:59,940 --> 01:10:08,310
me you do realize that our retirement

1671
01:10:04,590 --> 01:10:10,830
plan is Marxism I went huh

1672
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:14,099
we don't expect Social Security be there

1673
01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:18,330
our retirement plan is Marxism assuming

1674
01:10:14,099 --> 01:10:21,300
the planet is still there that's what

1675
01:10:18,330 --> 01:10:24,330
American citizens under the age of 30

1676
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:27,150
think the planet is probably not going

1677
01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:30,330
to be there in 40 years and if it is

1678
01:10:27,150 --> 01:10:33,570
there we won't have any Social Security

1679
01:10:30,330 --> 01:10:35,610
so in terms of your complaining about

1680
01:10:33,570 --> 01:10:38,159
ageism who cares

1681
01:10:35,610 --> 01:10:41,250
poor as she used to say to Joe Lieberman

1682
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:44,880
who dis friends my age are going why

1683
01:10:41,250 --> 01:10:48,560
don't you people respect us well take a

1684
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,560
look because you destroyed our planet

1685
01:10:49,639 --> 01:10:55,920
I'm not under 30 by any means I'm 33 but

1686
01:10:53,489 --> 01:10:57,540
I still 10 years out of college have

1687
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:00,540
tons of student loans that I'm still

1688
01:10:57,540 --> 01:11:03,270
paying off and you know I make enough to

1689
01:11:00,540 --> 01:11:05,760
survive in DC which is a super expensive

1690
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:08,190
city but you know I don't there was that

1691
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,380
thing that came out a couple weeks ago

1692
01:11:08,190 --> 01:11:12,090
from someone it's like CNN BC about how

1693
01:11:10,380 --> 01:11:14,010
much millenials should have in savings

1694
01:11:12,090 --> 01:11:15,929
and all those guys I don't I don't have

1695
01:11:14,010 --> 01:11:18,179
that actually from the way that I heard

1696
01:11:15,929 --> 01:11:20,340
a lot of my peers talking about it I'm

1697
01:11:18,179 --> 01:11:22,050
doing better than some of them and I

1698
01:11:20,340 --> 01:11:23,820
don't make a lot and I don't put away a

1699
01:11:22,050 --> 01:11:25,560
lot but I was still in better shape than

1700
01:11:23,820 --> 01:11:27,239
some some folks who still you know live

1701
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,409
week to week let alone the hundred

1702
01:11:27,239 --> 01:11:29,969
thousand people who aren't getting in

1703
01:11:28,409 --> 01:11:33,270
their paychecks at all because of the

1704
01:11:29,969 --> 01:11:34,889
shutdown so you know where it's it's

1705
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:37,580
easy to imagine that the next generation

1706
01:11:34,889 --> 01:11:40,440
has easier but in so many ways

1707
01:11:37,580 --> 01:11:43,920
Millennials don't know thank you are set

1708
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:46,080
up for failure so you know if you are

1709
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:49,440
bothered by something that a OC is same

1710
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:51,300
try listening and yeah what the context

1711
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:53,580
is that's informing you know what what

1712
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:56,639
she has to put out there the baby boom

1713
01:11:53,580 --> 01:12:00,349
echo there was the baby boom a part of

1714
01:11:56,639 --> 01:12:04,650
the echo we are the worst generation

1715
01:12:00,349 --> 01:12:06,970
ever we strip mined the generation that

1716
01:12:04,650 --> 01:12:11,350
came after put them into debt

1717
01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:16,240
didn't care worst generation ever okay

1718
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:18,610
New York State blue they control all

1719
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,980
three branches of government now I don't

1720
01:12:18,610 --> 01:12:23,170
know about the Supreme Court but they

1721
01:12:19,980 --> 01:12:26,320
they control the State House Cuomo and

1722
01:12:23,170 --> 01:12:27,970
the Senate and the assembly when it

1723
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,500
comes to LGBTQ issues

1724
01:12:27,970 --> 01:12:31,690
I always thought New York was like

1725
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:34,480
California they legalized same-sex

1726
01:12:31,690 --> 01:12:37,060
marriage before the Supreme Court did

1727
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:39,070
right they did they did but what's been

1728
01:12:37,060 --> 01:12:41,170
a struggle is there's been this group

1729
01:12:39,070 --> 01:12:44,020
known as the independent democratic

1730
01:12:41,170 --> 01:12:44,530
caucus in the Senate in New York who

1731
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:46,660
that

1732
01:12:44,530 --> 01:12:49,420
technically were Democrats so you would

1733
01:12:46,660 --> 01:12:51,820
think that the Democrats would have

1734
01:12:49,420 --> 01:12:54,340
control but for many years those that

1735
01:12:51,820 --> 01:12:56,560
group caucus with the Republicans and so

1736
01:12:54,340 --> 01:12:58,270
it created this gridlock in the Senate

1737
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:01,030
that prevented so many different things

1738
01:12:58,270 --> 01:13:03,010
from going forward and now things to

1739
01:13:01,030 --> 01:13:04,780
actually flashers primary elections back

1740
01:13:03,010 --> 01:13:06,910
in the eighteen September we had a whole

1741
01:13:04,780 --> 01:13:09,810
bunch of progresses that toppled these

1742
01:13:06,910 --> 01:13:12,730
incumbents in this Democratic caucus and

1743
01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:15,220
now the Senate can actually be run by

1744
01:13:12,730 --> 01:13:17,530
the Democrats as opposed to the

1745
01:13:15,220 --> 01:13:19,660
Republicans who weren't actually the

1746
01:13:17,530 --> 01:13:21,160
majority before and so as a result were

1747
01:13:19,660 --> 01:13:23,800
quickly seeing a whole bunch of things

1748
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:26,800
that have sat there and languished for

1749
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:28,390
over a decade and one of them is basic

1750
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:32,560
non-discrimination protections for

1751
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:34,000
transgender people you know the New York

1752
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:37,060
State Legislature passed sexual

1753
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:39,220
orientation protections a long time ago

1754
01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:43,060
and it's been introducing trans

1755
01:13:39,220 --> 01:13:46,390
protections since 2003 but despite the

1756
01:13:43,060 --> 01:13:48,970
fact that it passes every other year in

1757
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:52,840
the house it never could pass in the

1758
01:13:48,970 --> 01:13:54,670
Senate so you know it's been a long time

1759
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,880
coming and while they were at it they

1760
01:13:54,670 --> 01:14:00,910
also became I think 15 states to pass a

1761
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:05,980
ban on conversion therapy for kids yeah

1762
01:14:00,910 --> 01:14:07,510
so another great move forward to protect

1763
01:14:05,980 --> 01:14:11,890
LGBTQ people that should have come a

1764
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:15,940
long long time ago but now that this

1765
01:14:11,890 --> 01:14:18,580
group was finally toppled they can they

1766
01:14:15,940 --> 01:14:20,829
can finally move forward yeah and Mike

1767
01:14:18,580 --> 01:14:24,670
Pence our vice president

1768
01:14:20,829 --> 01:14:29,260
his wife Karen teaches at a school that

1769
01:14:24,670 --> 01:14:31,000
doesn't allow LGBTQ students or parents

1770
01:14:29,260 --> 01:14:32,889
to be part of that school or doesn't

1771
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,460
approve of them that's correct that's

1772
01:14:32,889 --> 01:14:35,380
correct

1773
01:14:33,460 --> 01:14:37,809
and you know it's another opportunity

1774
01:14:35,380 --> 01:14:39,369
that Mike Pence use to try to claim oh

1775
01:14:37,809 --> 01:14:41,500
they're attacking our religion and it's

1776
01:14:39,369 --> 01:14:43,210
like yeah we are attacking your religion

1777
01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:46,179
because your religion is promoting some

1778
01:14:43,210 --> 01:14:49,119
really terrible stuff and your

1779
01:14:46,179 --> 01:14:51,190
acquiescence to that is problematic and

1780
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:55,420
the inclusive society that we're trying

1781
01:14:51,190 --> 01:14:58,900
to build so you know he denies being for

1782
01:14:55,420 --> 01:15:01,090
gay conversion therapy he denies he

1783
01:14:58,900 --> 01:15:02,800
still he still denies it but there's all

1784
01:15:01,090 --> 01:15:04,929
of his evidence to show that he supports

1785
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:07,239
it so I'm still not convinced and he

1786
01:15:04,929 --> 01:15:09,460
certainly hasn't been jumping to to

1787
01:15:07,239 --> 01:15:12,150
favor these bans on the treatment so you

1788
01:15:09,460 --> 01:15:17,050
know take it with a grain of salt the

1789
01:15:12,150 --> 01:15:19,059
LGBTQ community the Muslims the the Jews

1790
01:15:17,050 --> 01:15:21,489
the african-americans they were the

1791
01:15:19,059 --> 01:15:24,790
Canaries in the coal mine talk to me

1792
01:15:21,489 --> 01:15:28,150
about foster care and the persecution

1793
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:30,550
against the LGBTQ community because

1794
01:15:28,150 --> 01:15:34,420
we've discovered that it just doesn't

1795
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:36,820
stop with persecuting the LGBTQ

1796
01:15:34,420 --> 01:15:38,920
community when you cling to religious

1797
01:15:36,820 --> 01:15:41,409
freedom you use that as a cudgel to go

1798
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,940
after Jews and sure so we've talked

1799
01:15:41,409 --> 01:15:44,829
about this issue a lot with adoption and

1800
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:47,559
foster care placement and and the

1801
01:15:44,829 --> 01:15:49,780
attempt by Republicans in many states to

1802
01:15:47,559 --> 01:15:51,309
pass laws giving a license to

1803
01:15:49,780 --> 01:15:53,710
discriminate to these agencies to say

1804
01:15:51,309 --> 01:15:55,630
hey we're licensing you were funding you

1805
01:15:53,710 --> 01:15:58,090
with state funds but go ahead go ahead

1806
01:15:55,630 --> 01:16:01,420
and discriminate and this case came up

1807
01:15:58,090 --> 01:16:02,320
in South Carolina with a agency called

1808
01:16:01,420 --> 01:16:05,559
miracle Hill

1809
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:09,190
it's a foster care agency and a Jewish

1810
01:16:05,559 --> 01:16:11,380
woman went to get trained and and get

1811
01:16:09,190 --> 01:16:13,809
license to be a foster parent she was

1812
01:16:11,380 --> 01:16:15,460
trained by somebody at miracle Hill but

1813
01:16:13,809 --> 01:16:17,619
then she wasn't extended an invitation

1814
01:16:15,460 --> 01:16:19,989
to be a foster parent through the agency

1815
01:16:17,619 --> 01:16:22,690
just because she's Jewish miracle Hill

1816
01:16:19,989 --> 01:16:24,670
only employees and works with families

1817
01:16:22,690 --> 01:16:27,099
who share their same Protestant

1818
01:16:24,670 --> 01:16:30,010
Christian beliefs and so she filed a

1819
01:16:27,099 --> 01:16:31,329
complaint and the Department of Social

1820
01:16:30,010 --> 01:16:32,679
Services there in South Carolina

1821
01:16:31,329 --> 01:16:34,099
actually agreed with her and said you

1822
01:16:32,679 --> 01:16:36,020
know we're

1823
01:16:34,099 --> 01:16:38,270
we're gonna revoke your license if you

1824
01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:39,739
don't actually you know support the

1825
01:16:38,270 --> 01:16:44,780
families that you're supposed to support

1826
01:16:39,739 --> 01:16:47,540
but the governor Henry McMaster and a

1827
01:16:44,780 --> 01:16:50,239
bunch of other conservatives came to the

1828
01:16:47,540 --> 01:16:52,310
agency's defense and went to the federal

1829
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:54,800
government and said hey this rule that

1830
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:56,420
Obama put in place you know protecting

1831
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,710
against this kind of discrimination is

1832
01:16:56,420 --> 01:17:00,230
an issue for us

1833
01:16:57,710 --> 01:17:02,719
and just this week Health and Human

1834
01:17:00,230 --> 01:17:05,449
Services granted a waiver and they said

1835
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:07,130
hey miracle Hill you can discriminate

1836
01:17:05,449 --> 01:17:09,800
all you want according to your religious

1837
01:17:07,130 --> 01:17:11,960
beliefs and so you know as you said it

1838
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,400
there are all these different Canaries

1839
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,170
in this case it was actually religious

1840
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,639
discrimination against this Jewish

1841
01:17:15,170 --> 01:17:18,829
family that happened first

1842
01:17:16,639 --> 01:17:21,320
but the agency also refuses to serve

1843
01:17:18,829 --> 01:17:23,030
same-sex couples because they believe

1844
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:25,280
that marriage is only supposed to be

1845
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:29,239
between a man and a woman right and

1846
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:32,270
finally the Supreme Court is turning

1847
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:35,900
into the the court we feared when it

1848
01:17:32,270 --> 01:17:40,250
comes to the travel ban they've upheld

1849
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:43,340
Donald Trump's travel ban and he wants

1850
01:17:40,250 --> 01:17:45,079
to keep the transgender community out of

1851
01:17:43,340 --> 01:17:46,159
the military he doesn't think they're

1852
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:50,300
fit for service

1853
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:54,170
I guess they get bone spurs - is that

1854
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:55,849
how we thinks well in this case you know

1855
01:17:54,170 --> 01:17:58,630
as we've discussed before the

1856
01:17:55,849 --> 01:18:01,670
administration is arguing that somehow

1857
01:17:58,630 --> 01:18:04,429
transgender people are ruining unit

1858
01:18:01,670 --> 01:18:06,230
cohesion or costing the government lots

1859
01:18:04,429 --> 01:18:07,699
of money for their basic health care

1860
01:18:06,230 --> 01:18:11,060
needs even though it's not nearly as

1861
01:18:07,699 --> 01:18:13,429
expensive as what the military and

1862
01:18:11,060 --> 01:18:17,060
veterans administration spent on viagra

1863
01:18:13,429 --> 01:18:19,460
so in this case what the Supreme Court

1864
01:18:17,060 --> 01:18:22,730
did this week is somewhat narrow in that

1865
01:18:19,460 --> 01:18:25,639
they stayed the injunctions that some of

1866
01:18:22,730 --> 01:18:27,920
the lower courts have put in place but

1867
01:18:25,639 --> 01:18:30,980
they didn't rule on the merits so and

1868
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:33,020
you know it's hard to draw too big a

1869
01:18:30,980 --> 01:18:35,780
conclusion about exactly how they feel

1870
01:18:33,020 --> 01:18:38,239
about the issue but as they did in the

1871
01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:40,610
Muslim ban cases this was about

1872
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:44,059
deferring to the president when it comes

1873
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:45,590
to military decisions so you know we're

1874
01:18:44,059 --> 01:18:47,600
gonna still wait and see of these cases

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you know there are four different case

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01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:52,790
is challenging the military ban in four

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01:18:50,030 --> 01:18:55,910
different jurisdictions and so other

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01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:58,400
courts might still introduce injunctions

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01:18:55,910 --> 01:19:00,110
and these cases will still work their

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01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,390
way up to the Supreme Court for an

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01:19:00,110 --> 01:19:05,210
actual consideration on the merits so

1882
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:06,290
we're not out of the woods yet or you

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01:19:05,210 --> 01:19:08,540
know the fights not over yet I should

1884
01:19:06,290 --> 01:19:10,640
say but in the meantime it's very

1885
01:19:08,540 --> 01:19:12,710
dispiriting news for for transgender

1886
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,810
military people who are currently

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01:19:12,710 --> 01:19:16,430
serving people who are working their way

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01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:18,770
through the academies hoping to build

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01:19:16,430 --> 01:19:19,970
their careers in the armed services with

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you know the knowledge that they might

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01:19:19,970 --> 01:19:25,340
not be able to actually enlist and of

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01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:27,230
course for veterans who who are you know

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01:19:25,340 --> 01:19:29,900
gravely and felted by the claim that you

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01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:33,920
know their service was somehow inferior

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01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:35,570
or not welcomed and and they have to

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01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,520
live with that and live with you know

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01:19:35,570 --> 01:19:39,530
the knowledge that the country isn't

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grateful for their service I think

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01:19:39,530 --> 01:19:45,230
that's the clear message of it all yeah

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a year from now the Iowa caucuses New

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01:19:45,230 --> 01:19:48,680
Hampshire it starts what do you think

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01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:50,750
this country's gonna look like a year

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01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,880
from now do you think the government

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01:19:50,750 --> 01:19:55,460
will reopen I've been saying and

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01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:57,620
everybody insists on the insane and

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01:19:55,460 --> 01:19:59,240
they're right for saying that but I

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01:19:57,620 --> 01:20:03,020
haven't saying this government's gonna

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01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:04,880
stay shut down to the fortune of nurture

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01:20:03,020 --> 01:20:08,450
the administration is certainly looking

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at you know just how long it might be

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01:20:08,450 --> 01:20:12,890
you know that what will be will look

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01:20:10,190 --> 01:20:15,200
like in March so you know it's it's not

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01:20:12,890 --> 01:20:16,610
going to be short by any means and

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01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,730
certainly as long as these continuing

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01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:20,660
demands 5.7 billions of our wall that

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01:20:19,730 --> 01:20:23,600
won't work

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yeah and as long as the Democrats are

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01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:29,860
resolute that they're not going to cave

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01:20:26,140 --> 01:20:32,540
you know to this this hostage ransom

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01:20:29,860 --> 01:20:35,180
that and we're gonna you know continue

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01:20:32,540 --> 01:20:36,950
to be stuck and so you know there are so

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01:20:35,180 --> 01:20:40,310
many factors that could change between

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01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:42,470
now and next year's caucuses we don't

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01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:43,940
know who all will be running and so you

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01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:45,590
know there's a lot of conversation to

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01:20:43,940 --> 01:20:46,760
play it out about that we don't know if

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01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:48,350
we'll still be shut down but we also

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01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,300
don't know what will come over the

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01:20:48,350 --> 01:20:53,120
Mugler investigation and well we have a

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01:20:50,300 --> 01:20:55,190
report by them you know will we know of

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01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:57,500
the fences that the Trump administration

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01:20:55,190 --> 01:21:00,170
has committed that maybe we've suspected

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01:20:57,500 --> 01:21:01,280
but did not previously have we know it's

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the government station

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down can Mallory even work don't those

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01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:14,270
people need money it unclear I'm not a

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01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:16,760
smart guy which is why people should

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01:21:14,270 --> 01:21:20,240
listen to me but the Democrats need to

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01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:23,120
do is say if you want to know what the

1940
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:25,640
plan is for this country but the

1941
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,890
Republicans plan for this country it's

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01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:30,500
happening right now this is the

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01:21:27,890 --> 01:21:33,110
Republican platform to shut down the

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01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:35,390
federal government to dismantle the

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01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:37,880
administrative state that's what Steve

1946
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:39,950
Bannon has spoken about I think when

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01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:42,230
Donald Trump gets on the phone with

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01:21:39,950 --> 01:21:45,170
people who are encouraging him I think

1949
01:21:42,230 --> 01:21:47,690
he still talks to Steve ban and shut it

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01:21:45,170 --> 01:21:51,320
down keep it down this is exactly why

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01:21:47,690 --> 01:21:53,480
you were sent to Washington shut down

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01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:56,690
the federal government and keep it shut

1953
01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:59,300
down and I don't think it's Putin that's

1954
01:21:56,690 --> 01:22:01,370
a piece of this problem I think Putin of

1955
01:21:59,300 --> 01:22:06,170
course wants the federal government

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01:22:01,370 --> 01:22:08,540
shutdown but when you talk to Grover

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01:22:06,170 --> 01:22:10,520
Norquist who says make the federal

1958
01:22:08,540 --> 01:22:14,140
government so small you can drown it in

1959
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:17,420
a bathtub how can they not be delighted

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01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:19,910
that this federal government is getting

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01:22:17,420 --> 01:22:23,150
shut down because it's doing two things

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01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:25,640
for the Democrats it proves exactly who

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01:22:23,150 --> 01:22:28,430
the Republicans are and the Republicans

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01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:31,940
right now the hard core fiscal

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01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:34,760
conservatives are saying look 800,000

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01:22:31,940 --> 01:22:38,720
federal employees are out of work no

1967
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:40,460
plane crashes it's fine we don't need

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01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:44,630
the federal government this plays right

1969
01:22:40,460 --> 01:22:46,850
into their ideology I don't think it's

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01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:48,440
really happening don't I don't disagree

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01:22:46,850 --> 01:22:50,090
with you but I think it will be harder

1972
01:22:48,440 --> 01:22:52,250
and harder for them to make that case

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01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:54,170
you know if we start having deaths

1974
01:22:52,250 --> 01:22:56,360
because of some sort of tainted food

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01:22:54,170 --> 01:22:58,430
outbreak because inspectors weren't able

1976
01:22:56,360 --> 01:23:01,760
to do their job it will be an issue if

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01:22:58,430 --> 01:23:03,260
we have any sort of safety issue on a on

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01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,450
a flight I'm actually getting on a plane

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01:23:03,260 --> 01:23:07,340
later today and I'm sort of curious to

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01:23:05,450 --> 01:23:10,130
see what going through security will

1981
01:23:07,340 --> 01:23:12,590
look like in the situation you know it

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01:23:10,130 --> 01:23:15,190
there will be in a very quick backlash

1983
01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:18,160
and so you know we've been lucky

1984
01:23:15,190 --> 01:23:20,740
that the consequences have been

1985
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:22,750
manageable but as these employees go

1986
01:23:20,740 --> 01:23:24,880
longer without a paycheck and all of

1987
01:23:22,750 --> 01:23:28,600
these services that we normally don't

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01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:31,540
notice are protecting us start

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01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,980
protecting us less I think I think it's

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01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:35,260
going to be harder for them to make a

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01:23:32,980 --> 01:23:37,780
case that yeah keeping the government

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01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:39,940
small is is a good thing yeah because

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01:23:37,780 --> 01:23:41,380
you know it's easy to forget about all

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01:23:39,940 --> 01:23:43,660
of the things the government's doing

1995
01:23:41,380 --> 01:23:46,330
that we think of as just bureaucracy but

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01:23:43,660 --> 01:23:49,030
they are protecting us on a daily basis

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01:23:46,330 --> 01:23:51,370
and it's gonna catch up with them with

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01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:53,530
each day that this government station

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01:23:51,370 --> 01:23:57,520
shut down yeah I think their forces in

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01:23:53,530 --> 01:24:00,490
this country the Milton Friedman Chicago

2001
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:02,790
School of Economics who says create an

2002
01:24:00,490 --> 01:24:06,730
artificial shock to the system create a

2003
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:10,420
artificial crisis and use it as an

2004
01:24:06,730 --> 01:24:13,240
opportunity to shake out the 800,000

2005
01:24:10,420 --> 01:24:14,380
employees go a couple of months find out

2006
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,690
what we really need

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01:24:14,380 --> 01:24:20,620
I think they embrace this as an

2008
01:24:16,690 --> 01:24:23,170
opportunity to find out what the federal

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01:24:20,620 --> 01:24:25,960
government really does and doesn't do we

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01:24:23,170 --> 01:24:28,090
can't audit it can't audit it so let's

2011
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:30,910
just shut it down and see what we really

2012
01:24:28,090 --> 01:24:32,230
need that's what they're thinking that's

2013
01:24:30,910 --> 01:24:34,630
what they're thinking they're thinking

2014
01:24:32,230 --> 01:24:36,700
this is a good thing you're onto

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01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:39,040
something there but it's not gonna work

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01:24:36,700 --> 01:24:40,960
out in their favor in the end I think if

2017
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:43,450
you fly on private jets and you're

2018
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:45,630
immune to the consequences it's an

2019
01:24:43,450 --> 01:24:48,640
intellectual exercise or an ideological

2020
01:24:45,630 --> 01:24:52,570
exercise if a couple people have to die

2021
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:56,830
for us to drain the swamp it's worth it

2022
01:24:52,570 --> 01:25:01,750
I mean I hope so you know we just saw

2023
01:24:56,830 --> 01:25:04,420
this morning that Trump's Commerce chief

2024
01:25:01,750 --> 01:25:06,070
doesn't understand why it's a big deal

2025
01:25:04,420 --> 01:25:08,740
if you don't get your paycheck

2026
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:10,450
will be less Wilbur Ross yeah and and

2027
01:25:08,740 --> 01:25:14,050
doesn't think that this is going to be

2028
01:25:10,450 --> 01:25:16,810
you know a big deal for the economy or

2029
01:25:14,050 --> 01:25:19,570
for our well-being and it's just you

2030
01:25:16,810 --> 01:25:21,880
have to live in such a narrow bubble I

2031
01:25:19,570 --> 01:25:24,700
mean this guy's worth 700 million

2032
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:27,570
dollars what does he know about families

2033
01:25:24,700 --> 01:25:31,530
who lives paycheck to paycheck nothing

2034
01:25:27,570 --> 01:25:34,110
and you know hopefully the fact that

2035
01:25:31,530 --> 01:25:37,320
we're democracy worked out in the end

2036
01:25:34,110 --> 01:25:39,450
and enough people say hey this is not

2037
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:41,489
good for our country and and does

2038
01:25:39,450 --> 01:25:44,610
something about it but in the meantime

2039
01:25:41,489 --> 01:25:46,440
we're just kind of keep you know wow

2040
01:25:44,610 --> 01:25:48,090
just word Armageddon yeah that's why I

2041
01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:49,920
got scared when Trump said he was gonna

2042
01:25:48,090 --> 01:25:51,330
go to the Capitol anyway and deliver

2043
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:56,040
that State of the Union because this is

2044
01:25:51,330 --> 01:25:59,489
where the Secret Service can be dragged

2045
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:03,410
gooned into his own little I hate to use

2046
01:25:59,489 --> 01:26:08,280
the term to stop oh but you know ice ice

2047
01:26:03,410 --> 01:26:10,530
couple of executive orders and Isis his

2048
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:12,590
own police force they already are well

2049
01:26:10,530 --> 01:26:15,570
anyway I'll give you the last word

2050
01:26:12,590 --> 01:26:16,350
everything that's terrible I said to you

2051
01:26:15,570 --> 01:26:19,170
at the beginning

2052
01:26:16,350 --> 01:26:20,820
let's open with creating change this big

2053
01:26:19,170 --> 01:26:23,940
conference in Detroit you're going to

2054
01:26:20,820 --> 01:26:28,440
let's be positive today well thank God

2055
01:26:23,940 --> 01:26:30,660
for Nancy Pelosi yeah I mean it you know

2056
01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:33,900
everything is is kind of getting worse

2057
01:26:30,660 --> 01:26:36,450
it feels like but we do have forces in

2058
01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:37,920
place to protect against it hopefully so

2059
01:26:36,450 --> 01:26:40,170
you know I'm still trying to be

2060
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:42,330
optimistic about what 2019 ultimately

2061
01:26:40,170 --> 01:26:44,820
look like I think it's anonymous that

2062
01:26:42,330 --> 01:26:47,070
whoever wrote the piece in the New York

2063
01:26:44,820 --> 01:26:48,930
Times a couple of months ago who said

2064
01:26:47,070 --> 01:26:51,120
there are forces within the White House

2065
01:26:48,930 --> 01:26:54,920
who are working against Donald Trump I

2066
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:58,560
think the only thing that kept him from

2067
01:26:54,920 --> 01:27:00,300
telling ice in the Secret Service we're

2068
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,070
going to the Capitol to deliver that

2069
01:27:00,300 --> 01:27:04,620
State of the Union whether or not Nancy

2070
01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:06,330
Pelosi likes it I think the only thing

2071
01:27:04,620 --> 01:27:10,680
that's keeping him from doing something

2072
01:27:06,330 --> 01:27:13,890
like that is a cabal of resistance

2073
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:15,330
within the Oval Office something are

2074
01:27:13,890 --> 01:27:17,520
more optimistic than I am because I

2075
01:27:15,330 --> 01:27:20,250
figure he was just not looking forward

2076
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:22,320
to the embarrassment of not being let in

2077
01:27:20,250 --> 01:27:26,520
and thought it would make him look weak

2078
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:28,260
so he decided to cave you know like it's

2079
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,480
a wonderful theory it's a wonderful

2080
01:27:28,260 --> 01:27:32,700
theory to think of that there's all this

2081
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:35,969
other stuff going on to try to restrain

2082
01:27:32,700 --> 01:27:38,580
him but I there's less and less we know

2083
01:27:35,969 --> 01:27:40,200
from the changes in his cabinet and and

2084
01:27:38,580 --> 01:27:41,130
you know changes to his chief of staff

2085
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,980
and things that

2086
01:27:41,130 --> 01:27:46,260
come along the way that there's less and

2087
01:27:43,980 --> 01:27:47,730
less holding them back so I think in

2088
01:27:46,260 --> 01:27:49,530
this case he was just I think he just

2089
01:27:47,730 --> 01:27:53,849
lost and he'd realized there was no good

2090
01:27:49,530 --> 01:27:56,639
way good way to try to make that happen

2091
01:27:53,849 --> 01:27:59,929
Mitch McConnell who's just you know that

2092
01:27:56,639 --> 01:28:02,520
we hate him but I like to think that

2093
01:27:59,929 --> 01:28:06,420
Trump got on the phone with McConnell

2094
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:09,690
and McConnell said mr. president there

2095
01:28:06,420 --> 01:28:12,630
are forces the legislative branch have

2096
01:28:09,690 --> 01:28:16,380
that are beyond your imagination and I

2097
01:28:12,630 --> 01:28:20,060
would advise you to stand down I think

2098
01:28:16,380 --> 01:28:22,560
McConnell this is my fantasy that

2099
01:28:20,060 --> 01:28:25,829
McConnell in his own way

2100
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:29,369
is saving us from complete breakdown

2101
01:28:25,829 --> 01:28:31,860
Trump taking dictatorial powers I don't

2102
01:28:29,369 --> 01:28:34,260
know I don't know I guess I just try not

2103
01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:35,909
to spend too much time going down all of

2104
01:28:34,260 --> 01:28:38,250
those hypothetical roads in my head

2105
01:28:35,909 --> 01:28:40,230
because what is actually happening to

2106
01:28:38,250 --> 01:28:42,510
the president is distressing enough to

2107
01:28:40,230 --> 01:28:44,040
figure out how to respond to that I I

2108
01:28:42,510 --> 01:28:47,369
don't want to cross any of those bridges

2109
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:49,050
until we get yeah Zach Ford is the LGBTQ

2110
01:28:47,369 --> 01:28:51,570
editor for Think Progress think

2111
01:28:49,050 --> 01:28:54,119
progress.org read them every day over

2112
01:28:51,570 --> 01:28:54,630
two thinkprogress.org good to have you

2113
01:28:54,119 --> 01:28:56,880
back sir

2114
01:28:54,630 --> 01:28:58,560
can you stand line for one second glad

2115
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:01,349
to be here thanks David you're listening

2116
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:03,140
to the david feldman radio program you

2117
01:29:01,349 --> 01:29:24,380
said but feta comp

2118
01:29:03,140 --> 01:29:27,929
[Music]

2119
01:29:24,380 --> 01:29:30,449
Dave Cyrus joins us hello sir

2120
01:29:27,929 --> 01:29:32,550
hey you doing David so you travel all

2121
01:29:30,449 --> 01:29:36,840
around the world you've been on flights

2122
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:39,479
with people I yes I have I was recently

2123
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:42,479
on a very nice flight on American

2124
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:44,249
Airlines actually and uh actually be

2125
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:46,199
gone back to elevate very suit going to

2126
01:29:44,249 --> 01:29:50,699
Sundance then to LA you going to

2127
01:29:46,199 --> 01:29:53,849
Sundance yes I have no actual reason to

2128
01:29:50,699 --> 01:29:57,479
be there mother must be if you're going

2129
01:29:53,849 --> 01:30:00,059
no I I have no legitimate reason to be

2130
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,349
there other than I'm just going with

2131
01:30:00,059 --> 01:30:03,239
people who actually of real reasons to

2132
01:30:01,349 --> 01:30:05,070
go oh and we'll be doing comedy and I

2133
01:30:03,239 --> 01:30:08,399
guess the wise guys in Salt Lake City

2134
01:30:05,070 --> 01:30:12,689
over there on Sunday well you get to see

2135
01:30:08,399 --> 01:30:15,689
some movies oh god I sit and watch

2136
01:30:12,689 --> 01:30:17,639
movies there right man this is gonna be

2137
01:30:15,689 --> 01:30:19,919
more work than I thought when you fly

2138
01:30:17,639 --> 01:30:24,929
uh-huh mm-hmm do you ever sit next to

2139
01:30:19,919 --> 01:30:26,760
somebody who kind of stinks you know it

2140
01:30:24,929 --> 01:30:29,699
does happen sometimes I don't remember

2141
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:33,719
the last time I actually sat next to

2142
01:30:29,699 --> 01:30:35,999
someone but like a lot of people in the

2143
01:30:33,719 --> 01:30:38,489
world seem to smell bad and not care yes

2144
01:30:35,999 --> 01:30:42,570
I get but like a plane is the worst but

2145
01:30:38,489 --> 01:30:44,130
I do think it's like an offensive act to

2146
01:30:42,570 --> 01:30:48,570
get on a flight when you know you

2147
01:30:44,130 --> 01:30:51,209
haven't showered in a long time yes and

2148
01:30:48,570 --> 01:30:52,380
yeah I I don't like that I mean I'm

2149
01:30:51,209 --> 01:30:54,149
here's like I'm a little bit sensitive

2150
01:30:52,380 --> 01:30:56,550
to body odor myself I get mad at people

2151
01:30:54,149 --> 01:31:00,360
who smell bad at the gym and that's the

2152
01:30:56,550 --> 01:31:01,800
gym right we're like you you're expected

2153
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,630
to but at the same time and I'm being

2154
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,800
honest it's about this I know the

2155
01:31:03,630 --> 01:31:05,849
difference between someone's knowing

2156
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,530
that way because they're working out

2157
01:31:05,849 --> 01:31:09,090
hard and because they're working out

2158
01:31:07,530 --> 01:31:10,199
hard and did not shower that day and

2159
01:31:09,090 --> 01:31:12,300
they need to get the hell out of that

2160
01:31:10,199 --> 01:31:16,199
gym yeah I mean when I work at I don't

2161
01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:18,929
smell bad because I showered either the

2162
01:31:16,199 --> 01:31:20,969
night before or that morning I mean the

2163
01:31:18,929 --> 01:31:24,119
only thing that's gonna stink is my

2164
01:31:20,969 --> 01:31:26,459
armpits and I have leftover deodorant

2165
01:31:24,119 --> 01:31:28,289
but still there I never smell when I

2166
01:31:26,459 --> 01:31:30,300
work out I mean you put on deodorant

2167
01:31:28,289 --> 01:31:32,639
before you go to the gym right no I just

2168
01:31:30,300 --> 01:31:36,510
wear deodorant so how bad am I gonna

2169
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:37,290
smell and I don't eat meat I stay away

2170
01:31:36,510 --> 01:31:39,480
from garlic

2171
01:31:37,290 --> 01:31:40,530
onions how bad am I gonna smell right

2172
01:31:39,480 --> 01:31:42,240
now it sounds like you might smell

2173
01:31:40,530 --> 01:31:43,680
pretty bad actually if you think that

2174
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,540
all it takes is having showered the day

2175
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:47,670
before not wearing deodorant and not

2176
01:31:45,540 --> 01:31:49,770
wearing meat you might be one of these

2177
01:31:47,670 --> 01:31:52,110
people David not me but I probably don't

2178
01:31:49,770 --> 01:31:53,850
I don't think you are because I have

2179
01:31:52,110 --> 01:31:55,260
been around you and you you've never

2180
01:31:53,850 --> 01:31:57,990
smelled nearly as much as one might

2181
01:31:55,260 --> 01:31:59,640
assume you do from seeing you so I don't

2182
01:31:57,990 --> 01:32:02,580
think that's an issue I'm talking about

2183
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:04,410
I absolutely run into pee I mean here's

2184
01:32:02,580 --> 01:32:08,040
the thing I go to a gym in Midwood

2185
01:32:04,410 --> 01:32:11,280
Brooklyn and it's not the best gym to go

2186
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:14,160
to I have many times seen guys playing

2187
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:17,010
house music on their phones at full

2188
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:19,080
blast without headphones just using

2189
01:32:17,010 --> 01:32:22,590
weights blasting music which is

2190
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:25,800
psychotic recently I saw a 60 year old

2191
01:32:22,590 --> 01:32:27,630
man wearing a leather jacket doing curls

2192
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,510
while telling everyone else what they

2193
01:32:27,630 --> 01:32:32,040
should be doing with their workouts

2194
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:35,550
before we get to the story that you sent

2195
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:38,370
me which I found very satisfying yeah I

2196
01:32:35,550 --> 01:32:42,300
want people to know that if you really

2197
01:32:38,370 --> 01:32:45,480
want to serve humanity when you board a

2198
01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:50,190
plane and walk through first class to

2199
01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:52,590
get to coach you should fart okay if you

2200
01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:56,430
listen to this show and you enjoy it you

2201
01:32:52,590 --> 01:33:01,650
can thank me by farting in first class

2202
01:32:56,430 --> 01:33:03,510
on your way to coach I of course had the

2203
01:33:01,650 --> 01:33:07,260
fortune of traveling first class

2204
01:33:03,510 --> 01:33:09,360
recently and honestly hey

2205
01:33:07,260 --> 01:33:12,720
go ahead peasants see if it ruins my

2206
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:15,500
time I don't pay for it of course I

2207
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:18,150
never would never why are you breaking

2208
01:33:15,500 --> 01:33:20,310
what's what's what's going on why am I

2209
01:33:18,150 --> 01:33:22,440
not getting a good signal here I hear

2210
01:33:20,310 --> 01:33:24,180
everything from you David you're

2211
01:33:22,440 --> 01:33:27,360
breaking bottles you're breaking up a

2212
01:33:24,180 --> 01:33:29,580
little hold on hold on well I don't know

2213
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:31,050
what to tell you I'm sorry so what

2214
01:33:29,580 --> 01:33:33,890
happened there were some smelly people

2215
01:33:31,050 --> 01:33:37,170
on an American Airlines flight

2216
01:33:33,890 --> 01:33:40,890
apparently a flight from I guess Miami

2217
01:33:37,170 --> 01:33:43,440
to Detroit you know that's rough yeah

2218
01:33:40,890 --> 01:33:47,430
both places that I'd rather not have to

2219
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:50,639
be often a couple and their baby were

2220
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:54,300
asked to leave the flight because

2221
01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:56,639
passengers and no looks like when they

2222
01:33:54,300 --> 01:33:58,889
first got on the plane it was evident

2223
01:33:56,639 --> 01:34:01,170
now we talked about his case months ago

2224
01:33:58,889 --> 01:34:05,610
where a guy had ridiculous body odor

2225
01:34:01,170 --> 01:34:09,270
because he was sick yeah this however is

2226
01:34:05,610 --> 01:34:12,179
a couple two people a married couple who

2227
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:14,670
were both told you pee when it's a

2228
01:34:12,179 --> 01:34:18,360
couple that both smells bad that is 100%

2229
01:34:14,670 --> 01:34:21,960
lifestyle that is just you people have

2230
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:24,389
decided that you hate the outside world

2231
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:28,619
and want them to suffer now to be fair

2232
01:34:24,389 --> 01:34:30,420
the man claimed that he did not smell

2233
01:34:28,619 --> 01:34:32,760
bad but that he was being kicked off the

2234
01:34:30,420 --> 01:34:39,989
flight because he is Jewish

2235
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:41,489
because he's what Jewish well he said I

2236
01:34:39,989 --> 01:34:45,989
do not smell bad

2237
01:34:41,489 --> 01:34:48,350
this is anti-semitism you you saw me

2238
01:34:45,989 --> 01:34:51,000
wearing a yarmulke and all of you

2239
01:34:48,350 --> 01:34:53,340
silently agreed to pretend I smell bad

2240
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:55,650
and complain about it this is an

2241
01:34:53,340 --> 01:34:58,619
American Airlines American flight so you

2242
01:34:55,650 --> 01:35:00,239
know the idea that he would be the only

2243
01:34:58,619 --> 01:35:04,610
Jew on the flight is from Miami is

2244
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:06,560
especially impossible but it's really

2245
01:35:04,610 --> 01:35:09,300
amazing

2246
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:12,270
now when I say smell bad

2247
01:35:09,300 --> 01:35:14,489
buttered oh okay because I'm thinking of

2248
01:35:12,270 --> 01:35:17,850
a Jew with a big nose I would think he

2249
01:35:14,489 --> 01:35:19,500
would smell good they smell well they

2250
01:35:17,850 --> 01:35:22,199
smell Wow oh yeah that's where it is

2251
01:35:19,500 --> 01:35:24,659
well he smells well yeah yeah so this

2252
01:35:22,199 --> 01:35:26,219
company who I saw a picture of well the

2253
01:35:24,659 --> 01:35:29,219
photo that they posted he's wearing a

2254
01:35:26,219 --> 01:35:30,659
hat so I don't see if he's wearing a

2255
01:35:29,219 --> 01:35:32,159
yarmulke but I presume he was wearing

2256
01:35:30,659 --> 01:35:35,250
one because he's saying that they knew

2257
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:36,389
he was Jewish and I have to assume he

2258
01:35:35,250 --> 01:35:42,210
gave he gave it away somehow

2259
01:35:36,389 --> 01:35:43,889
but yeah the exact words where we don't

2260
01:35:42,210 --> 01:35:45,389
have out there because there's a

2261
01:35:43,889 --> 01:35:46,860
religious reason for some reason that

2262
01:35:45,389 --> 01:35:48,510
they're kicking me off the plane and he

2263
01:35:46,860 --> 01:35:50,639
said on his cell phone video we don't

2264
01:35:48,510 --> 01:35:52,500
have odor no one has oh and then the

2265
01:35:50,639 --> 01:35:54,600
crew member said oh are you saying that

2266
01:35:52,500 --> 01:35:57,389
it's for religious reasons that you

2267
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,989
don't shower and he goes no I shower

2268
01:35:57,389 --> 01:35:59,310
every day

2269
01:35:57,989 --> 01:36:01,800
I said you kick me off because of

2270
01:35:59,310 --> 01:36:04,080
religious reasons so look you and I are

2271
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:07,530
both Jews David there

2272
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:10,800
really nothing that the average Jewish

2273
01:36:07,530 --> 01:36:12,600
person dreads more than hearing another

2274
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:15,680
Jew the accused of something they did

2275
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:18,750
and then start screaming this is because

2276
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:20,750
I'm Jewish like I cannot invoke

2277
01:36:18,750 --> 01:36:24,510
anti-semitism because you refuse to babe

2278
01:36:20,750 --> 01:36:26,610
and the fact that the guy said which by

2279
01:36:24,510 --> 01:36:28,170
the way especially ironic that you know

2280
01:36:26,610 --> 01:36:31,680
anti-semitism has gotten so much better

2281
01:36:28,170 --> 01:36:35,070
in the world that now we're complaining

2282
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:38,070
that about showers that of this kind

2283
01:36:35,070 --> 01:36:39,510
that he's saying that that he's he's

2284
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:42,450
refusing to shower in a completely

2285
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:45,990
different way yeah I guess oh good for

2286
01:36:42,450 --> 01:36:49,050
him yeah yeah that came off incredibly

2287
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:51,510
not elegantly sorry I just for you I try

2288
01:36:49,050 --> 01:36:53,790
to include at least one holocaust joke I

2289
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:57,390
was there before you were I know I know

2290
01:36:53,790 --> 01:36:59,430
you're breaking I don't know to tell you

2291
01:36:57,390 --> 01:37:01,170
you're not you're not breaking up you're

2292
01:36:59,430 --> 01:37:03,870
the one you call me back it's okay let's

2293
01:37:01,170 --> 01:37:08,100
just keep going I'm so sorry that's okay

2294
01:37:03,870 --> 01:37:11,220
what will fix it alright so talk to me

2295
01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:14,370
about Covington that Catholic kids

2296
01:37:11,220 --> 01:37:15,960
what's amazing about this story is look

2297
01:37:14,370 --> 01:37:17,190
people anytime you see a story like this

2298
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,120
should look into it as much as they can

2299
01:37:17,190 --> 01:37:20,220
they should try to get as much

2300
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:22,200
information I was about as possible the

2301
01:37:20,220 --> 01:37:23,790
story started with just seen a what

2302
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:28,650
seemed like a very clear picture of a

2303
01:37:23,790 --> 01:37:31,230
smug smirking child in the face of an

2304
01:37:28,650 --> 01:37:34,500
elderly Native American why his

2305
01:37:31,230 --> 01:37:38,130
classmates screamed and twisted their

2306
01:37:34,500 --> 01:37:41,010
faces contorted themselves behind him

2307
01:37:38,130 --> 01:37:43,740
and then people said oh well it turns

2308
01:37:41,010 --> 01:37:46,470
out that black Israelite you're making

2309
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:47,400
fun of them first which yeah I'm sure

2310
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:50,280
they work you've ever met black

2311
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:52,260
Israelites the that's a not actual black

2312
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:55,230
misery I mean the term black Israelites

2313
01:37:52,260 --> 01:37:57,990
are this very small fringe group they're

2314
01:37:55,230 --> 01:37:59,070
a hate club extremely yeah they're hate

2315
01:37:57,990 --> 01:38:01,380
their crazy people

2316
01:37:59,070 --> 01:38:03,630
they're extremely antagonistic they

2317
01:38:01,380 --> 01:38:05,940
exist only to inflame people I mean they

2318
01:38:03,630 --> 01:38:07,770
were yelling at Indians to American

2319
01:38:05,940 --> 01:38:09,270
Indians too so obviously they're not

2320
01:38:07,770 --> 01:38:12,240
exactly they're not the locust group of

2321
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:15,210
people and you saw the covenant students

2322
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:17,520
get really riled up and that every right

2323
01:38:15,210 --> 01:38:18,030
to not like what these men were yelling

2324
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,950
at them

2325
01:38:18,030 --> 01:38:23,700
but the fact that the mother of the boy

2326
01:38:19,950 --> 01:38:25,760
in the video said this only happened

2327
01:38:23,700 --> 01:38:28,650
because black Muslims were harassing

2328
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:31,940
sounds really bad right but there were

2329
01:38:28,650 --> 01:38:35,310
Muslims so weird you added that to it

2330
01:38:31,940 --> 01:38:38,790
but the problem is noting the black

2331
01:38:35,310 --> 01:38:40,020
Israelites did explains the way that

2332
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:42,720
they were reacting to these American

2333
01:38:40,020 --> 01:38:44,580
Indians now the best case scenario the

2334
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:46,710
absolute best case is to believe them

2335
01:38:44,580 --> 01:38:48,750
when they said oh we were laughing and

2336
01:38:46,710 --> 01:38:52,590
screaming to the chance and doing

2337
01:38:48,750 --> 01:38:53,610
tomahawk chops and you know and you see

2338
01:38:52,590 --> 01:38:55,620
the faces of these kids they are

2339
01:38:53,610 --> 01:38:57,600
screaming you saw that kid behind them

2340
01:38:55,620 --> 01:39:00,000
in the famous picture the way his face

2341
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,470
is contorted they did we were that the

2342
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,870
best day scenario is that all of that

2343
01:39:01,470 --> 01:39:06,300
was just inadvertently disrespectful

2344
01:39:03,870 --> 01:39:08,220
while they were trying to be nice but I

2345
01:39:06,300 --> 01:39:11,190
don't really think that's what we saw I

2346
01:39:08,220 --> 01:39:14,700
think we saw a bunch of kids who are

2347
01:39:11,190 --> 01:39:16,410
very riled up looking for an outlet for

2348
01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:18,780
the energy that it had been developed

2349
01:39:16,410 --> 01:39:21,750
from being insulted by these random

2350
01:39:18,780 --> 01:39:24,990
black Israelites and they saw of this

2351
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:26,570
opportunity to I think stand up to what

2352
01:39:24,990 --> 01:39:29,550
they feel was the enemy in that moment

2353
01:39:26,570 --> 01:39:32,730
which was this sudden indigenous man

2354
01:39:29,550 --> 01:39:33,960
with a drum right and that's like I'm

2355
01:39:32,730 --> 01:39:36,000
not saying they threatened him I'm not

2356
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:38,940
saying that they did something that a

2357
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:41,490
person gets arrested for but the look on

2358
01:39:38,940 --> 01:39:42,600
this kid's face the fact that he didn't

2359
01:39:41,490 --> 01:39:44,940
seem to want to get out of this guy's

2360
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:46,260
way as he was walking toward him it

2361
01:39:44,940 --> 01:39:48,480
seemed like this kid and the way do they

2362
01:39:46,260 --> 01:39:51,150
react in to him was what a brave guy to

2363
01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:54,120
get in the face of this American Indian

2364
01:39:51,150 --> 01:39:56,220
that's what it seemed like and let's not

2365
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:58,470
forget these kids were walking around

2366
01:39:56,220 --> 01:39:59,640
with a bunch of Magha hats which not

2367
01:39:58,470 --> 01:40:01,680
every time somewhere is a mag a hat

2368
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,540
they're looking for trouble but when the

2369
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:06,390
proud boys do it they're a group of

2370
01:40:03,540 --> 01:40:08,430
people walking around saying I dare you

2371
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:10,860
to screw with me because I love Trump

2372
01:40:08,430 --> 01:40:13,200
and hate everyone that that implies I

2373
01:40:10,860 --> 01:40:15,470
think that it's very we shouldn't just

2374
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:19,980
discount the idea that a mag ahead is a

2375
01:40:15,470 --> 01:40:21,960
symbol of your or antagonism to your

2376
01:40:19,980 --> 01:40:24,480
environment right people wear it because

2377
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:26,760
they're saying I dare you screw with me

2378
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:29,270
I want aggravate I want in tagging to

2379
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:31,710
antagonize people I want to fight and we

2380
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:33,960
there's also video of those kids

2381
01:40:31,710 --> 01:40:35,940
screaming at women who are walking by

2382
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:39,600
them now you look at what they're doing

2383
01:40:35,940 --> 01:40:42,180
and use common sense and say yes these

2384
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:45,570
look like kids who knew how to not cross

2385
01:40:42,180 --> 01:40:47,910
a lot I know but they knew how to do the

2386
01:40:45,570 --> 01:40:49,160
I'm not touching you gate him also mhm

2387
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:52,130
and they seemed like they were just

2388
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:54,540
amused and making fun of this old

2389
01:40:52,130 --> 01:40:55,380
indigenous man but that's not the part

2390
01:40:54,540 --> 01:40:57,390
of the story that I find most

2391
01:40:55,380 --> 01:41:00,930
fascinating the part that I find

2392
01:40:57,390 --> 01:41:02,700
fascinating is I'm sure I'm wrong that

2393
01:41:00,930 --> 01:41:04,830
this seems new to me but he does seem

2394
01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:07,469
new to me it seemed like only since

2395
01:41:04,830 --> 01:41:10,620
Trump is it relevant that any time

2396
01:41:07,469 --> 01:41:12,750
someone seems disrespected particularly

2397
01:41:10,620 --> 01:41:14,880
by a right-wing person the next step is

2398
01:41:12,750 --> 01:41:17,190
to openly start doing opposition

2399
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:19,260
research on them and find out what they

2400
01:41:17,190 --> 01:41:23,000
could have done in their life to deserve

2401
01:41:19,260 --> 01:41:26,820
it so this guy referred to himself as a

2402
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:29,100
Vietnam Times veteran which you hear

2403
01:41:26,820 --> 01:41:31,890
those words it all already there's an

2404
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:36,180
alarm bell that goes off right he and

2405
01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:37,860
Vietnam times that which is yes a very

2406
01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:41,040
sneaky way of saying I served in the

2407
01:41:37,860 --> 01:41:42,989
military during Vietnam but not in

2408
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,310
Vietnam right we've certainly seen other

2409
01:41:42,989 --> 01:41:45,780
publishers a lot of politicians do that

2410
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:49,760
it's a it's a it's a sleazy thing to do

2411
01:41:45,780 --> 01:41:52,380
but that doesn't change why these kids

2412
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:53,610
did this it's exactly what happen with

2413
01:41:52,380 --> 01:41:55,770
ELISA Machado the Miss Universe

2414
01:41:53,610 --> 01:41:58,230
contestant to trump called Miss Piggy he

2415
01:41:55,770 --> 01:42:00,450
fat shamed her publicly he was extremely

2416
01:41:58,230 --> 01:42:04,770
disrespectful about her about her eyes

2417
01:42:00,450 --> 01:42:06,840
about her ethnicity and Trump said well

2418
01:42:04,770 --> 01:42:08,880
it's okay that I did that that because

2419
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:11,160
years later her boyfriend would be

2420
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,510
accused of attempted murder and she

2421
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:15,420
would even be suspected of helping him

2422
01:42:12,510 --> 01:42:18,230
get away from it and she was never

2423
01:42:15,420 --> 01:42:21,570
charged but that was his reaction

2424
01:42:18,230 --> 01:42:23,540
anything bad you do to someone is okay

2425
01:42:21,570 --> 01:42:26,310
if that person isn't Jesus Christ I

2426
01:42:23,540 --> 01:42:28,620
couldn't care less and I think the

2427
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:30,300
problem in this country is there was a

2428
01:42:28,620 --> 01:42:32,969
woman's March there was supposed to be a

2429
01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:35,130
woman's March but the blacks and the

2430
01:42:32,969 --> 01:42:38,130
Jews couldn't get along so they had to

2431
01:42:35,130 --> 01:42:40,190
have three separate marches because we

2432
01:42:38,130 --> 01:42:43,080
have to solve the Palestinian problem

2433
01:42:40,190 --> 01:42:45,140
before we can fight for abortion

2434
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:47,510
together it

2435
01:42:45,140 --> 01:42:49,580
it's just a childish that's a discipline

2436
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:51,440
there's no reason to not draw someone

2437
01:42:49,580 --> 01:42:54,340
from the woman's March if they don't

2438
01:42:51,440 --> 01:42:57,110
have the ability to comport themselves

2439
01:42:54,340 --> 01:42:58,790
properly and you're referring to one

2440
01:42:57,110 --> 01:43:00,410
person who was from the ones March who

2441
01:42:58,790 --> 01:43:03,740
and I've seen interviews she's not

2442
01:43:00,410 --> 01:43:05,540
qualified to be there so she you know

2443
01:43:03,740 --> 01:43:07,880
I'm blanking on her name but she was the

2444
01:43:05,540 --> 01:43:09,920
one who wouldn't even answer questions

2445
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,910
about whether or not Israel has a right

2446
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:11,980
to exist and it's like you know if

2447
01:43:10,910 --> 01:43:14,960
you're if your argument is

2448
01:43:11,980 --> 01:43:16,400
pro-palestinian that's fine I'm not I

2449
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,960
don't to put you in jail but you need

2450
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:20,170
you don't be a coward and just pretend

2451
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:22,040
you don't have an opinion and just GG

2452
01:43:20,170 --> 01:43:24,020
something talked to a through interviews

2453
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:25,850
she is not she does not have the

2454
01:43:24,020 --> 01:43:27,230
wherewithal for this job say yeah and

2455
01:43:25,850 --> 01:43:28,850
there's nothing wrong with saying hey if

2456
01:43:27,230 --> 01:43:31,250
you're anti-semitic or you're anti-black

2457
01:43:28,850 --> 01:43:33,260
or your anti whatever we don't want you

2458
01:43:31,250 --> 01:43:34,970
as part of this and they made a mistake

2459
01:43:33,260 --> 01:43:36,530
by not dropping her well but there you

2460
01:43:34,970 --> 01:43:38,900
know there's a problem between Blacks

2461
01:43:36,530 --> 01:43:41,360
and Jews Louis Farrakhan has been making

2462
01:43:38,900 --> 01:43:44,480
anti-semitic remarks for more than 30

2463
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:46,280
years and the March and Barack Obama

2464
01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:47,630
knew better than to associate himself

2465
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:50,210
with him so why can't the woman's much

2466
01:43:47,630 --> 01:43:54,110
because he's very powerful within the

2467
01:43:50,210 --> 01:43:56,660
black community well and so would have

2468
01:43:54,110 --> 01:43:59,060
lost anything right but the point I'm

2469
01:43:56,660 --> 01:43:59,870
making is if I were in charge of the

2470
01:43:59,060 --> 01:44:05,330
left wing

2471
01:43:59,870 --> 01:44:08,480
I'd say Jews blacks Israelis Arabs shut

2472
01:44:05,330 --> 01:44:12,200
the F up this is about the women's March

2473
01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:16,040
this isn't some first draft of a paddy

2474
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:19,190
Chayefsky play this is about women's

2475
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:22,670
right to choose and getting rid of Trump

2476
01:44:19,190 --> 01:44:24,890
leave your the problem yeah the problem

2477
01:44:22,670 --> 01:44:26,330
here is there are a lot of people in

2478
01:44:24,890 --> 01:44:29,600
this world who consider themselves

2479
01:44:26,330 --> 01:44:31,790
activists consider the subs woke who are

2480
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,230
too bored by women's rights to go to bed

2481
01:44:31,790 --> 01:44:35,540
and they need to fold it into something

2482
01:44:33,230 --> 01:44:36,980
they actually care about right and

2483
01:44:35,540 --> 01:44:38,840
that's what I think this is about the

2484
01:44:36,980 --> 01:44:39,980
people who say I don't care about

2485
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,240
women's rights can you make it about

2486
01:44:39,980 --> 01:44:43,250
anti Jews or can you make it about

2487
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:45,080
defensive you know look I'm not saying

2488
01:44:43,250 --> 01:44:46,010
and that you're anti-jewish if you think

2489
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:49,370
the Palestinians being treated badly

2490
01:44:46,010 --> 01:44:50,660
this woman's opinion is on it were not

2491
01:44:49,370 --> 01:44:53,630
particularly sophisticated enough to

2492
01:44:50,660 --> 01:44:55,760
warrant being you know representative of

2493
01:44:53,630 --> 01:44:57,200
its movement yeah I mean there was oh

2494
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,269
there was a woman I don't know it maybe

2495
01:44:57,200 --> 01:45:00,460
was Chicago

2496
01:44:58,269 --> 01:45:02,530
and a woman's March I think was a year

2497
01:45:00,460 --> 01:45:06,010
ago she held up the Israeli flag and was

2498
01:45:02,530 --> 01:45:09,159
told to take it down and she was wrong

2499
01:45:06,010 --> 01:45:10,749
to be asked to take it the vacant Israel

2500
01:45:09,159 --> 01:45:13,360
she was good

2501
01:45:10,749 --> 01:45:14,199
it wasn't it was wrong make it about a

2502
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:18,780
different issue

2503
01:45:14,199 --> 01:45:21,519
yeah it's disingenuous for a Jew to

2504
01:45:18,780 --> 01:45:23,739
raise the Israeli flag in front of a

2505
01:45:21,519 --> 01:45:26,829
bunch of progressives people of color

2506
01:45:23,739 --> 01:45:29,230
who obviously many of whom identify with

2507
01:45:26,829 --> 01:45:30,519
the Palestinians it's disingenuous for

2508
01:45:29,230 --> 01:45:32,769
you to think that you're not going to

2509
01:45:30,519 --> 01:45:36,449
piss off a couple of people by waving

2510
01:45:32,769 --> 01:45:39,099
the Israeli flag it's also wrong for the

2511
01:45:36,449 --> 01:45:41,440
organizers of that March to say take

2512
01:45:39,099 --> 01:45:44,199
down your flag you represent an

2513
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:47,679
apartheid state can we shut the hell up

2514
01:45:44,199 --> 01:45:52,110
about everything other than the right to

2515
01:45:47,679 --> 01:45:54,780
choose equal pay the me to movement and

2516
01:45:52,110 --> 01:45:58,809
Donald Trump do you have to bring in

2517
01:45:54,780 --> 01:46:01,119
everything to this mark well there it

2518
01:45:58,809 --> 01:46:02,619
was wrong that black leaders were not

2519
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:04,179
allowed as much of a voice as they

2520
01:46:02,619 --> 01:46:07,719
should have got I'm in the first March

2521
01:46:04,179 --> 01:46:09,369
but that's about because American women

2522
01:46:07,719 --> 01:46:11,139
should be well represented of all colors

2523
01:46:09,369 --> 01:46:11,949
it does not mean that we should make

2524
01:46:11,139 --> 01:46:13,900
this about foreign power

2525
01:46:11,949 --> 01:46:14,980
let's see there's a difference between

2526
01:46:13,900 --> 01:46:17,349
those things I think that it should be a

2527
01:46:14,980 --> 01:46:18,610
diverse group of women it has to be has

2528
01:46:17,349 --> 01:46:21,519
to be representative of all women in

2529
01:46:18,610 --> 01:46:24,010
this country but yes making it about

2530
01:46:21,519 --> 01:46:26,050
separate issues like Israel Palestine is

2531
01:46:24,010 --> 01:46:27,400
childish and the idea that they're

2532
01:46:26,050 --> 01:46:29,110
overcompensating that maybe they're

2533
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:31,449
overcompensating so we can't get rid of

2534
01:46:29,110 --> 01:46:33,880
this one woman who's you know putting

2535
01:46:31,449 --> 01:46:35,949
out anti-semitic stuff and and and and

2536
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:37,389
worshipping Farrakhan because we've got

2537
01:46:35,949 --> 01:46:39,780
in trouble for being disrespectful of

2538
01:46:37,389 --> 01:46:41,920
black women before is a little childish

2539
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:44,110
you know you should be able to do both

2540
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:48,820
you're not enemy of my enemy is my

2541
01:46:44,110 --> 01:46:51,730
friend Joseph Stalin was my friend when

2542
01:46:48,820 --> 01:46:53,349
we were fighting Hitler once we defeated

2543
01:46:51,730 --> 01:46:57,159
Hitler then we could go back to hating

2544
01:46:53,349 --> 01:46:59,230
Joseph Stalin you got to grow up you're

2545
01:46:57,159 --> 01:47:02,800
not gonna solve but the the most

2546
01:46:59,230 --> 01:47:04,719
intractable problems Wilbur Ross it's a

2547
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:06,729
lack of dislike of discipline to not be

2548
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:08,050
able to just say let's concentrate on

2549
01:47:06,729 --> 01:47:10,030
this and not make it about whatever

2550
01:47:08,050 --> 01:47:11,270
issue you like talking about the most

2551
01:47:10,030 --> 01:47:14,300
right

2552
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:16,040
Ross and this one is just great this is

2553
01:47:14,300 --> 01:47:17,030
why you don't have a commerce secretary

2554
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:22,610
it used to be one of Jeff Dunham's

2555
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:25,370
puppets it's Wilbur Ross is again coming

2556
01:47:22,610 --> 01:47:28,310
up as the most out of hunched rich guy

2557
01:47:25,370 --> 01:47:30,020
in in Trump support it I mean so of

2558
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:32,420
course we're talking about is he said

2559
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:33,920
that he did not understand why people

2560
01:47:32,420 --> 01:47:37,040
who had not been paid in a month would

2561
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:38,750
go to food banks did not understand why

2562
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:40,430
they would want free food because he

2563
01:47:38,750 --> 01:47:42,980
said why don't they just get loans you

2564
01:47:40,430 --> 01:47:46,340
know put themselves into debt because of

2565
01:47:42,980 --> 01:47:49,940
what we did to them and it really is

2566
01:47:46,340 --> 01:47:52,520
amazing because one he claimed that they

2567
01:47:49,940 --> 01:47:54,710
have it can all get federal secured

2568
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:57,050
loans guaranteed loans that's not true

2569
01:47:54,710 --> 01:47:59,150
there's a backlog of loans already

2570
01:47:57,050 --> 01:48:01,610
there's a few credit unions that are

2571
01:47:59,150 --> 01:48:03,470
offering interest-free loans to their

2572
01:48:01,610 --> 01:48:05,480
members only but the but that's like

2573
01:48:03,470 --> 01:48:06,770
that's only about 10 percent of the

2574
01:48:05,480 --> 01:48:07,850
people who are talked under no I'm sorry

2575
01:48:06,770 --> 01:48:10,280
that's one percent of people we're

2576
01:48:07,850 --> 01:48:13,340
talking about there's about 8,000 of the

2577
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:15,500
or 8 million of the 80 million people

2578
01:48:13,340 --> 01:48:17,930
something like that or is it 80 million

2579
01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:20,600
people right now or 800,000 people 800

2580
01:48:17,930 --> 01:48:23,150
fact I'm sure yes right right so um

2581
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:26,480
800,000 people bet that are currently

2582
01:48:23,150 --> 01:48:27,950
not being paid that he described as not

2583
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:30,950
mattering because it's only a third of

2584
01:48:27,950 --> 01:48:34,300
1% of our GDP that's why it doesn't

2585
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:36,470
matter that they're getting paid oh yeah

2586
01:48:34,300 --> 01:48:38,150
yeah they're not getting paid and he

2587
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:40,820
said look they should just get loans yes

2588
01:48:38,150 --> 01:48:43,250
yes they'll have a little interest that

2589
01:48:40,820 --> 01:48:45,200
is and he's he's even saying to them

2590
01:48:43,250 --> 01:48:47,660
that's why you shouldn't accept free

2591
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:50,360
food you should take a loan and go into

2592
01:48:47,660 --> 01:48:52,220
debt and just hope that everything gets

2593
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:54,770
better yeah you tell me people go into

2594
01:48:52,220 --> 01:48:56,780
debt to get a loan because they're gonna

2595
01:48:54,770 --> 01:48:57,800
get their paycheck back well what if you

2596
01:48:56,780 --> 01:49:00,380
don't get a paycheck for another month

2597
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:02,930
now they're in debt now they're in that

2598
01:49:00,380 --> 01:49:04,160
process that cycle of debt where you

2599
01:49:02,930 --> 01:49:05,870
can't get out of it you know like those

2600
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:07,880
like the predatory penalties everyone

2601
01:49:05,870 --> 01:49:10,490
knows about it's it's financial slavery

2602
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:11,600
he's trying to put people in because he

2603
01:49:10,490 --> 01:49:13,190
wants to pretend that there's nothing

2604
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:15,380
wrong with with just making these people

2605
01:49:13,190 --> 01:49:16,910
work for free well hang on but you know

2606
01:49:15,380 --> 01:49:19,610
payday lenders are the biggest

2607
01:49:16,910 --> 01:49:21,230
supporters of Trump Mick Mulvaney who

2608
01:49:19,610 --> 01:49:24,590
were the Consumer Financial Protection

2609
01:49:21,230 --> 01:49:27,290
Bureau he's a big

2610
01:49:24,590 --> 01:49:29,690
order or they support him the payday

2611
01:49:27,290 --> 01:49:32,630
lenders support Mick Mulvaney the credit

2612
01:49:29,690 --> 01:49:34,310
card companies well I mean I'm sure

2613
01:49:32,630 --> 01:49:36,739
they're privately extremely happy this

2614
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:38,989
is happening of course this is a giant

2615
01:49:36,739 --> 01:49:41,659
windfall for them for anyone who takes

2616
01:49:38,989 --> 01:49:42,590
advantage of people and who are in

2617
01:49:41,659 --> 01:49:45,770
financial problems

2618
01:49:42,590 --> 01:49:48,679
so that I mean it's I I mean it just

2619
01:49:45,770 --> 01:49:50,570
shows how Wilbur Ross is so removed from

2620
01:49:48,679 --> 01:49:52,520
what his job is supposed to be so

2621
01:49:50,570 --> 01:49:55,849
removed from just understanding what

2622
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:57,619
this is doing I mean I'm surprised that

2623
01:49:55,849 --> 01:49:58,849
you know he's not already going out

2624
01:49:57,619 --> 01:50:01,699
saying like you know

2625
01:49:58,849 --> 01:50:03,920
oh I've bought many organs from grateful

2626
01:50:01,699 --> 01:50:06,170
poor people in China for much more money

2627
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:08,810
than a month of federal employment

2628
01:50:06,170 --> 01:50:11,869
all of these people complaining have two

2629
01:50:08,810 --> 01:50:15,409
lungs to pain much more liver than they

2630
01:50:11,869 --> 01:50:17,119
need well we got to ramp it up

2631
01:50:15,409 --> 01:50:18,440
I promise by next week he's just gonna

2632
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:21,070
start suggesting that federal employees

2633
01:50:18,440 --> 01:50:24,909
sell one of their spare houses of course

2634
01:50:21,070 --> 01:50:27,139
or their yacht but I mean it's yeah yeah

2635
01:50:24,909 --> 01:50:28,460
it's just like it's like my Mitt Romney

2636
01:50:27,139 --> 01:50:32,659
said don't worry borrow money from your

2637
01:50:28,460 --> 01:50:35,750
parents yeah yeah poor people they don't

2638
01:50:32,659 --> 01:50:39,219
care that's luck not only do they know

2639
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:41,869
no I don't care they have contempt I

2640
01:50:39,219 --> 01:50:43,940
don't think I mean I don't I don't know

2641
01:50:41,869 --> 01:50:46,730
about the contempt part of it not caring

2642
01:50:43,940 --> 01:50:49,280
is more like this is what's like Larry

2643
01:50:46,730 --> 01:50:51,679
Trump is saying and you total these

2644
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:54,320
federal employees you are the brave eggs

2645
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:56,540
that will be broken for the omelette

2646
01:50:54,320 --> 01:51:00,349
that is a white America is essentially

2647
01:50:56,540 --> 01:51:01,909
her argument that it's okay that you're

2648
01:51:00,349 --> 01:51:04,190
dealing with this because at the end of

2649
01:51:01,909 --> 01:51:08,090
the day we'll get our symbolic wall

2650
01:51:04,190 --> 01:51:10,760
against against the future yeah well

2651
01:51:08,090 --> 01:51:13,909
you're they don't care the people

2652
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:19,190
sitting in first class is your enemy and

2653
01:51:13,909 --> 01:51:21,820
my advice is to fart in first class to

2654
01:51:19,190 --> 01:51:24,940
somehow make sure you have health care

2655
01:51:21,820 --> 01:51:28,070
to become a vegan

2656
01:51:24,940 --> 01:51:31,489
that way you're rejecting the system if

2657
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:34,190
you switch to a plant-based diet you're

2658
01:51:31,489 --> 01:51:36,770
rejecting all of it be a vegan is about

2659
01:51:34,190 --> 01:51:37,489
the most you can do as one person to

2660
01:51:36,770 --> 01:51:38,449
help the world

2661
01:51:37,489 --> 01:51:39,380
it's

2662
01:51:38,449 --> 01:51:41,119
I mean I'm not gonna do it because I

2663
01:51:39,380 --> 01:51:44,749
love me but it is a very good thing to

2664
01:51:41,119 --> 01:51:47,300
do well it's the only thing that would

2665
01:51:44,749 --> 01:51:50,749
save the planet is if everybody just

2666
01:51:47,300 --> 01:51:53,389
switched to a plant-based diet and watch

2667
01:51:50,749 --> 01:51:54,800
how you spend your money everybody's I

2668
01:51:53,389 --> 01:51:56,900
know everybody's in debt they all have

2669
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:59,539
student loans blah blah blah blah blah

2670
01:51:56,900 --> 01:52:02,389
but what's more important than your vote

2671
01:51:59,539 --> 01:52:03,949
and that is important but what's really

2672
01:52:02,389 --> 01:52:07,610
important how you spend your money how

2673
01:52:03,949 --> 01:52:11,300
you consume you know being a vegan is

2674
01:52:07,610 --> 01:52:13,039
how you consume what you buy how do you

2675
01:52:11,300 --> 01:52:16,010
how do you spend your money who you

2676
01:52:13,039 --> 01:52:20,050
giving your money and your time to and

2677
01:52:16,010 --> 01:52:25,429
my suggestion is don't give your time to

2678
01:52:20,050 --> 01:52:27,889
the Covington kids it's not important no

2679
01:52:25,429 --> 01:52:30,909
it's not and it's what and it's it's in

2680
01:52:27,889 --> 01:52:33,050
the loo it's in lieu of discussing

2681
01:52:30,909 --> 01:52:36,829
medicare-for-all it's in lieu of

2682
01:52:33,050 --> 01:52:40,280
figuring out how to tax the richest 1%

2683
01:52:36,829 --> 01:52:43,300
properly that's heavy lifting it's easy

2684
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:46,190
to look at a smug whitey attacked that

2685
01:52:43,300 --> 01:52:48,229
why I see a smug white kid getting the

2686
01:52:46,190 --> 01:52:50,179
face back an Indian though that is a

2687
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:53,329
real thing we can talk about which is

2688
01:52:50,179 --> 01:52:55,400
its we not here is ignore you spent

2689
01:52:53,329 --> 01:52:57,979
three at not you but I have friends who

2690
01:52:55,400 --> 01:53:01,309
spent three hours going over that video

2691
01:52:57,979 --> 01:53:02,809
in Washington and the mall and yeah

2692
01:53:01,309 --> 01:53:03,979
that's a little silly but at the same

2693
01:53:02,809 --> 01:53:06,469
time we've talked about this before

2694
01:53:03,979 --> 01:53:08,119
there is gonna be a real price that we

2695
01:53:06,469 --> 01:53:10,429
are paying for the psychological effect

2696
01:53:08,119 --> 01:53:12,380
of Trump on these children and this is a

2697
01:53:10,429 --> 01:53:14,570
small example of it we are going to be

2698
01:53:12,380 --> 01:53:16,219
seen for the rest of our life the toxic

2699
01:53:14,570 --> 01:53:19,070
hatred that comes out of people who

2700
01:53:16,219 --> 01:53:21,229
Trump taught to no longer be ashamed of

2701
01:53:19,070 --> 01:53:22,699
these feelings okay I mean that and you

2702
01:53:21,229 --> 01:53:23,719
know just like McDonald's it's just like

2703
01:53:22,699 --> 01:53:24,829
the McDonald's they remember when Trump

2704
01:53:23,719 --> 01:53:26,749
bought a McDonald's for those athletes

2705
01:53:24,829 --> 01:53:28,639
and how much of a nephew that was to

2706
01:53:26,749 --> 01:53:32,209
those kids and people said oh don't look

2707
01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:34,519
at that that's not important do not look

2708
01:53:32,209 --> 01:53:37,099
away from the dingo because it will eat

2709
01:53:34,519 --> 01:53:40,039
your baby the babies are and I am a mine

2710
01:53:37,099 --> 01:53:42,559
with I think you need to discipline to

2711
01:53:40,039 --> 01:53:45,409
talk about everything we got it we happy

2712
01:53:42,559 --> 01:53:46,639
right we talk about just the dumb easy

2713
01:53:45,409 --> 01:53:50,030
stuff to talk about like the company it

2714
01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:52,230
cuz that's not a big deal but well let

2715
01:53:50,030 --> 01:53:53,670
me ask you let me ask you this question

2716
01:53:52,230 --> 01:53:57,300
price were paying right let me ask you

2717
01:53:53,670 --> 01:53:59,250
let me ask you a question yeah are you a

2718
01:53:57,300 --> 01:54:02,430
Democrat yes

2719
01:53:59,250 --> 01:54:06,930
are you a progressive yes are you a

2720
01:54:02,430 --> 01:54:08,010
lefty yeah you're a lefty I mean as far

2721
01:54:06,930 --> 01:54:09,510
as I know all those things mean the same

2722
01:54:08,010 --> 01:54:12,810
thing they don't there's a difference

2723
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:16,020
between a liberal and lefties now so

2724
01:54:12,810 --> 01:54:17,580
instead of yeah I mean you and I are

2725
01:54:16,020 --> 01:54:22,050
part of the same tribe

2726
01:54:17,580 --> 01:54:25,410
we hate smug white kids from Covington

2727
01:54:22,050 --> 01:54:28,710
right with their dicks about it yes

2728
01:54:25,410 --> 01:54:31,680
do you support Medicare for all yes okay

2729
01:54:28,710 --> 01:54:34,560
do you support free tuition at all

2730
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:37,440
public universities well pretty much

2731
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:39,420
yeah do you support taxing anybody who

2732
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:41,430
makes more than ten million dollars a

2733
01:54:39,420 --> 01:54:43,800
year at seventy percent

2734
01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:45,600
I couldn't ago she ate on the exact

2735
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:46,890
amount I think that it has to be a

2736
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:50,340
little bit more it's a complicated

2737
01:54:46,890 --> 01:54:52,290
question but yeah I'm okay with taxing

2738
01:54:50,340 --> 01:54:54,360
yes I want higher tax brackets that go

2739
01:54:52,290 --> 01:54:56,340
up higher and Braille all rights more

2740
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:58,890
yeah I think somebody might be a little

2741
01:54:56,340 --> 01:55:01,140
high but I'm fine with something in the

2742
01:54:58,890 --> 01:55:04,040
area yeah do you believe in spending a

2743
01:55:01,140 --> 01:55:06,300
trillion dollars on infrastructure uh

2744
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:09,570
yeah I think that's probably a good idea

2745
01:55:06,300 --> 01:55:13,950
so why so so why are we discussing

2746
01:55:09,570 --> 01:55:16,710
anything other than that if it's because

2747
01:55:13,950 --> 01:55:18,030
oh there was a poisoning of our culture

2748
01:55:16,710 --> 01:55:18,420
happening right now that could not be

2749
01:55:18,030 --> 01:55:20,520
ignored

2750
01:55:18,420 --> 01:55:23,280
there was a writ with there will be a

2751
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:27,420
true price for the number of people that

2752
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:30,739
he is inspiring to embrace their darkest

2753
01:55:27,420 --> 01:55:35,160
instincts and that can that can play out

2754
01:55:30,739 --> 01:55:37,650
affecting everything just said okay Dave

2755
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:43,080
Cyrus how do people follow you on

2756
01:55:37,650 --> 01:55:46,020
twitter gave Cyrus on Twitter the DAV es

2757
01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:50,550
ir us same as Instagram and love God

2758
01:55:46,020 --> 01:55:51,840
please follow my Instagram okay and you

2759
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:52,700
got anything coming I'm gonna stop you

2760
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:55,500
right there

2761
01:55:52,700 --> 01:56:00,180
yeah well Sunday if you're in Salt Lake

2762
01:55:55,500 --> 01:56:02,040
City Utah I'll be on wise guys with Pete

2763
01:56:00,180 --> 01:56:04,980
Davidson so come enjoy that if it's not

2764
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:05,639
sold out and then I'll be in LA for a

2765
01:56:04,980 --> 01:56:07,909
few days

2766
01:56:05,639 --> 01:56:10,590
maybe of a show there who knows okay

2767
01:56:07,909 --> 01:56:12,480
Stan line for one second sir you're

2768
01:56:10,590 --> 01:56:15,620
listening to the david feldman radio

2769
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:40,069
program you said but feta comp

2770
01:56:15,620 --> 01:56:40,069
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The Best Way To Remember Your Father Is By Voting

Originally broadcast June 16, 2014.

Yesterday was Father’s Day which CNN, the most trusted name in news, celebrated by running a tribute to the 41st president of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush. I’m sure there was a lot of crying because the Bush family always seems to get choked up whenever they talk about Poppy, and Poppy always seems to start crying whenever he talks about himself. I’m not sure how 41 ended up with the nickname Poppy. I think it has something to do with America dipping its beak into the heroin trade back when Poppy was running the CIA.

No, I couldn’t watch CNN because I was too busy keeping my misty eyes on Iraq, a country that appears to be unraveling all because back in 2000 former Spymaster George Herbert Walker Bush insisted on keeping a secret from the American people, that secret being his son George is a vicious moron.

George Herbert Walker Bush gets a medal even though he neglected to inform the American voters that his eldest son is a vicious moron.

George Herbert Walker Bush gets a medal even though he neglected to inform the American voters that his eldest son is a vicious moron.

I never once saw my father cry. My father came from the kind of poverty where nobody was going to comfort you no matter how loud you wept. Not that there’s anything wrong with grown men crying. But my father didn’t cry because he knew nobody would help. It’s different for a Bush. They get help from everybody, even the Supreme Court when they lose an election. I think even my father would have cried after that decision.

My father served in the Pacific around the same time President George W. Bush’s father served over there. My father didn’t live long enough to see W lose the popular vote and then have the Supreme Court hand him our nuclear launch codes anyway. Looking at Iraq come undone I know my father would tell George Herbert Walker Bush, “My eldest son is an idiot too. It’s good to encourage idiots, but you don’t let them play with dangerous toys, like our U.S. military.” Then my dad would have spat in George Herbert Walker’s face and called his entire family a tribe of money-grubbing whores. Because that’s how much dad loved America. My father loved this country. He never had to say that. You just knew by his visceral contempt for Reagan, Bush Senior and all those other charlatans who rely on false patriotism to steal from Americans.

The millions of dead Iraqis are the Bush family’s fault. They lied us into war. Had Americans known the truth, we never would have agreed to that illegal invasion. Unlike the Bush family, at our core Americans are a good and decent people. Which is why Gore won in 2000. America is much bigger than the noisemakers and the guns we fire overseas or at each other. Americans may differ on the nuance, but we all agree it should be hard to get a gun, harder to declare war, nobody disagrees that Big Banks are evil, that Main Street is superior to Wall Street, that politics needs to be shorn of money, that everyone is entitled to affordable healthcare and that anyone who works an eight hour day shouldn’t be broke. We all agree on that. We’re a good people. But we’re drowned out by Big Money.

If everyone who is registered to vote voted, all our problems would be solved. Read the polls, we’re a good people. Americans support, for the most part, all the right things. We just need to vote in numbers that drown out Big Money. Vote. How hard can it be? It’s not like we’re being asked to serve in the Pacific. Imagine if we all voted. Three years from now CNN would have to air a Mothers Day tribute to President Elizabeth Warren. And who knows? Maybe we can finally elect a congress willing to put George W. Bush on trial for Iraq.

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